The anarchists are the realists, not the utopian dreamers.

[Theocrat]

It's Not the Antithesis, But the Thesis

This couldn't be further from the truth. Our federal government acts like all centrally planned governments, without impunity. This is the fundamental problem with government, it will always seek out to protect itself and achieve more power. This is really the antithesis of Anarchy.

That's exactly what one would expect in an anarchical society. The strongest group will always seek out to protect itself and achieve more power. After all, who's going to stop them when there is no centralized power above them to enact legislation or court rulings against their behavior? You assume that men will behave perfectly moral if there is no government, but actually what you do is lift the restraint on their behavior by removing any universal and public/civil accountability for their actions (as long as they have the most money and more guns). As acptulsa mentioned, you give people more opportunity to kick your ass and take your money and get away with it without restitution, too.

 

[Kraig]

Well, I'm only going to be around for forty more years or so, at most, so excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

Now, does anyone have any thoughts on my post about balance? Or does the true statement that many a government has been more afraid of its citizens than vice versa just not fit into your preconceived notions about government?

First of all there are few cases where you could even try to measure how afraid one group of humans (government) is of the other one (the general population). When in history has a government stayed balanced without growing further and further into tyranny? People are always going to look after their own, and when you apply that to government and what it must use to remain in power, evil and corruption will always be the natural result.

 

[Kraig]

That's exactly what one would expect in an anarchical society. The strongest group will always seek out to protect itself and achieve more power.

That is the society of the world today and always has been. We just let governments be the key players while you sit on the sidelines and hope for the best. What can change is that as people learn that government is a false hope, they will stop willingly supporting it and it's size, power, and influence will dwindle.

 

[Truth Warrior]

That's exactly what one would expect in an anarchical society. The strongest group will always seek out to protect itself and achieve more power. After all, who's going to stop them when there is no centralized power above them to enact legislation or court rulings against their behavior? You assume that men will behave perfectly moral if there is no government, but actually what you do is lift the restraint on their behavior by removing any universal and public/civil accountability for their actions (as long as they have the most money and more guns). As acptulsa mentioned, you give people more opportunity to kick your ass and take your money and get away with it without restitution, too.

A favorite TOOL of the archist SHEPHERDS for millenia. Because it's viability and success is SO predictable among the world's FLOCKS!

Problem --> Reaction --> Solution. ( lather, rinse, repeat )

 

[danberkeley]

What exactly does it mean for an anarchy to "work"?

 

[acptulsa]

First of all there are few cases where you could even try to measure how afraid one group of humans (government) is of the other one (the general population). When in history has a government stayed balanced without growing further and further into tyranny? People are always going to look after their own, and when you apply that to government and what it must use to remain in power, evil and corruption will always be the natural result.

And that has very often been a reaction to the methods someone was contemplating to steal their power for themselves. Few times in history has any group reached the awesome, ultimately corrupting degree of powerfulness of this nation today. And when I say few times, of course, what I mean is never.

You're less safe having a dog that hates you than not having a dog at all. But you're safer with a well-trained dog. And governments which are well-trained dogs have been known to exist.

What exactly does it mean for an anarchy to "work"?

 

[Theocrat]

Point Taken

That is the society of the world today and always has been. We just let governments be the key players while you sit on the sidelines and hope for the best. What can change is that as people learn that government is a false hope, they will stop willingly supporting it and it's size, power, and influence will dwindle.

We agree on that, with the exception that civil government should be reduced to a size within its Constitutional scope and jurisdiction. Now, all we have to do is find some people who are willing to run for office to bring that into a reality. I'm game.

 

[danberkeley]

I'm sorry, but that's the wrong answer. Using an anarchist's article to answer a question about government authority is like asking a fox to count how many chickens are in the coop and expecting a consistent number every time. There's going to be a conflict of interest.

Or like asking a Jew to talk about the Holocoust.

 

[Kraig]

And that has very often been a reaction to the methods someone was contemplating to steal their power for themselves. Few times in history has any group reached the awesome, ultimately corrupting degree of powerfulness of this nation today. And when I say few times, of course, what I mean is never.

You're less safe having a dog that hates you than not having a dog at all. But you're safer with a well-trained dog. And governments which are well-trained dogs have been known to exist.

Few times? More like every single government in the history of mankind. Show me these well train dogs you're speaking of and I'll show you the people they governed and then killed unjustly.

 

[Truth Warrior]

What exactly does it mean for an anarchy to "work"?

What exactly does it mean for .... "Freedom, Peace and Prosperity" -- Ron Paul ...... to "work"?

 

[sdczen]

That's exactly what one would expect in an anarchical society. The strongest group will always seek out to protect itself and achieve more power. After all, who's going to stop them when there is no centralized power above them to enact legislation or court rulings against their behavior? You assume that men will behave perfectly moral if there is no government, but actually what you do is lift the restraint on their behavior by removing any universal and public/civil accountability for their actions (as long as they have the most money and more guns). As acptulsa mentioned, you give people more opportunity to kick your ass and take your money and get away with it without restitution, too.

The strongest group has always been the people who want to be left alone. This is case today and will always be the case. Governments are small compared to the populous. I don't assume that people will behave perfectly. I assume that people will be sick enough of power hungry humans to take care of the problems themselves.

It's easy to armchair quarterback a small snippet of time. Rest assured, the big, bloated government the Archist's seem to love will collapse and we'll have Anarchy again. Hopefully people will be evolved enough to trust themselves in a state of Anarchy.

 

[Theocrat]

Anarchy Works for the Strongest

What exactly does it mean for an anarchy to "work"?

It means for our Constitutions to be burned into ashes, our public officers on the local, state, and federal levels of government step down from their offices and back into their private work, and then wait for the rich and powerful families like the Rockefellers, Bushes, and Clintons to influence every part of society for their own personal gain as they buy up as much of the property, guns, food, and stock they can get their hands on for a better life by any means necessary. Forget the courts, forget the police, forget the lawmakers because they no longer exist! They can do whatever they want in society and to society.

 

[Kraig]

and then wait for the rich and powerful families like the Rockefellers, Bushes, and Clintons to influence every part of society for their own personal gain as they buy up as much of the property, guns, food, and stock they can get their hands on for a better life by any means necessary.

How can you be so foolish, they already are!! The difference now is that EVERYONE who supports government is also supporting them rather than resisting them.

Take on an anarchist style of living, stop paying your taxes, stop registering your vehicle, stop interacting with the government PERIOD and those people lose all support.

 

[danberkeley]

It means for our Constitutions to be burned into ashes, our public officers on the local, state, and federal levels of government step down from their offices and back into their private work, and then wait for the rich and powerful families like the Rockefellers, Bushes, and Clintons to influence every part of society for their own personal gain as they buy up as much of the property, guns, food, and stock they can get their hands on for a better life by any means necessary. Forget the courts, forget the police, forget the lawmakers because they no longer exist! They can do whatever they want in society and to society.

This is exactly why I am an an-cap. Anarchists have had a bad history.

What exactly exactly does it mean for .... "Freedom, Peace and Prosperity" -- Ron Paul ...... to "work"?

What exactly does it mean to "get along with LE"? Is it "not getting banned"? Is is to "totally avoid her"?

 

[Theocrat]

I Want to Be Left Alone, But Some People Won't Leave Me Alone

The strongest group has always been the people who want to be left alone. This is case today and will always be the case. Governments are small compared to the populous. I don't assume that people will behave perfectly. I assume that people will be sick enough of power hungry humans to take care of the problems themselves.

It's easy to armchair quarterback a small snippet of time. Rest assured, the big, bloated government the Archist's seem to love will collapse and we'll have Anarchy again. Hopefully people will be evolved enough to trust themselves in a state of Anarchy.

It's not so much that I don't trust myself as I don't trust other people, like those freedom-loving murderers, thieves, rapists, arsonists, kidnappers, psychopaths, and cannibals out there in society. Anarchy gives them way too much freedom to live out their behaviors in an open fashion.

 

[Truth Warrior]

How can you be so foolish, they already are!! They difference now is that EVERYONE who supports government is also supporting them rather than resisting them.

Take on an anarchist style of living, stop paying your taxes, stop registering your vehicle, stop interacting with the government PERIOD and those people lose all support.

Voters TOTALLY are a MINORITY of "We the People", by a factor of about 2 to 1. And THEY usually split about 50/50.

 

[Kraig]

It's not so much that I don't trust myself as I don't trust other people, like those freedom-loving murderers, thieves, rapists, arsonists, kidnappers, psychopaths, and cannibals out there in society. Anarchy gives them way too much freedom to live out their behaviors in an open fashion.

That is absurd, society has a whole freaks out about these people because of how disgusting and harmful they are. That is not going to change if you take government out of the picture. Not mention the government doesn't seem to be doing a good job of stopping them, however it does do a good job of disarming their victims through gun control.

 

[Kraig]

Voters TOTALLY are a MINORITY of "We the People", by a factor of about 2 to 1.

Even if you don't vote, if you cooperate with the system willingly and think it is needed then you are supporting it. Maybe there are more anarchist than I am aware of in those non-voting masses though.

 

[Theocrat]

I Still Have Faith in People to Change

How can you be so foolish, they already are!! The difference now is that EVERYONE who supports government is also supporting them rather than resisting them.

Take on an anarchist style of living, stop paying your taxes, stop registering your vehicle, stop interacting with the government PERIOD and those people lose all support.

Yes, I know they are, but at least they can be brought up on charges of fraud, theft, etc. in a court of law, if the occasion arises. Justice can be served.

We can revolt and take back the liberty wherewith God made us free, but it's going to have to begin internally within each man's heart. It may take time, but through education and prayer, I'm confident something may arise.

I would very much like to have a decrease in paying taxes and not even have to register the vehicle which I own. However, the laws which govern those things can be repealed if we do what's necessary to stop it.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Even if you don't vote, if you cooperate with the system willingly and think it is needed then you are supporting it. Maybe there are more anarchist than I am aware of in those non-voting masses though.

Standard "brainwashed" archist preprogrammed response from the MSM and the "government schools", " ONLY THE IGNORANT AND THE APATHETIC".