A Tennessee congressman has proposed amending the Constitution to allow Trump 3rd Term

[Swordsmyth]

A Tennessee congressman has proposed amending the Constitution to allow Donald Trump to serve a third term as president.

Rep. Andy Ogles filed a Joint Resolution in Congress this week advancing a change to the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, which currently restricts presidents to two terms.

In his resolution, Ogles included several stipulations to the change if it passes, including barring any president being elected to a third consecutive term after serving two in a row.

'And no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice,' the resolution read.

Ogles said in a statement after filing the proposal that he believes Trump will need another eight years to carry out his goal of reshaping America after Joe Biden's presidency.

'President Trump’s decisive leadership stands in stark contrast to the chaos, suffering, and economic decline Americans have endured over the past four years,' he wrote.

'He has proven himself to be the only figure in modern history capable of reversing our nation’s decay and restoring America to greatness, and he must be given the time necessary to accomplish that goal.

'To that end, I am proposing an amendment to the Constitution to revise the limitations imposed by the 22nd Amendment on presidential terms. This amendment would allow President Trump to serve three terms, ensuring that we can sustain the bold leadership our nation so desperately needs.'

More at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14319735/Trump-White-House-2032-Andy-Ogles.html

 

[Occam's Banana]

Trumpius Donaldus?

More rhyming with the late Roman Republic ...

Under the laws and traditions of the Roman Republic (most notably, mos maiorum and the cursus honorum), Roman consuls were expected to serve no more than two non-consecutive terms, at least ten years apart.

Near the end, Marius ended up holding a consulship an unprecedented seven times. His first consulship was in 107 BC. In 27 BC - just 80 years later, and 50 or so years after Sulla's doomed attempt to "fix" the badly broken Republic - Octavian became Augustus Caesar, the first Roman emperor.

FTA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursus_honorum:

These rules were altered and flagrantly ignored in the course of the last century of the Republic. For example, Gaius Marius held consulships for five years in a row between 104 BC and 100 BC. He was consul seven times in all, also serving in 107 and 86. Officially presented as opportunities for public service, the offices often became mere opportunities for self-aggrandizement. The constitutional reforms of Sulla between 82 and 79 BC required a ten-year interval before holding the same office again for another term. [1]
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[Anti Globalist]

This congressman does realize that by doing this Obama would be eligible to run for a third term right?

 

[Madison320]

A Tennessee congressman has proposed amending the Constitution to allow Donald Trump to serve a third term as president.

That's a stupid idea. It's opening the door for a dictatorship.

Not for Trump, he's too old and there's a really good chance this gigantic debt bubble pops during his term and nobody will want him to run again anyway. Imagine President Gavin Newsome, for the next 30 years...

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's a stupid idea. It's opening the door for a dictatorship.

Not for Trump, he's too old and there's a really good chance this gigantic debt bubble pops during his term and nobody will want him to run again anyway. Imagine President Gavin Newsome, for the next 30 years...

FDR had 4 terms, then they passed the term limit to make sure nobody could stay in office long enough to undo the damage.
The term limit creates a huge lame duck period where the President doesn’t have to care about the public.
It’s not like the cabal ever runs out of puppets to replace the last one with, we on the other hand have a very hard time finding someone halfway decent that can win.
The term limit should be removed entirely, along with civil service protections that keep the deepstate bureaucrats from being changed out regularly.

 

[Voluntarist]

Let's see:
2/3 of the House
2/3 of the Senate
3/4 of the states

Yeaaaaah, no

 

[CCTelander]

More rhyming with the late Roman Republic ...

Under the laws and traditions of the Roman Republic (most notably, mos maiorum and the cursus honorum), Roman consuls were expected to serve no more than two non-consecutive terms, at least ten years apart.

Near the end, Marius ended up holding a consulship an unprecedented seven times. His first consulship was in 107 BC. In 27 BC - just 80 years later, and 50 or so years after Sulla's doomed attempt to "fix" the badly broken Republic - Octavian became Augustus Caesar, the first Roman emperor.

FTA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursus_honorum:

These rules were altered and flagrantly ignored in the course of the last century of the Republic. For example, Gaius Marius held consulships for five years in a row between 104 BC and 100 BC. He was consul seven times in all, also serving in 107 and 86. Officially presented as opportunities for public service, the offices often became mere opportunities for self-aggrandizement. The constitutional reforms of Sulla between 82 and 79 BC required a ten-year interval before holding the same office again for another term. [1]
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Personally, I think we should dispense with the bother of altering or eliminating presidential term limits and go straight to installing an emperor. Quicker, cleaner and hell, closer to the existing reality than not anyway. Give the people, including what appears to be a good number of “liberty advocates” exactly what they want and deserve.

Then we see exactly where everybody stands and know exactly where we are.

 

[TheTexan]

Personally, I think we should dispense with the bother of altering or eliminating presidential term limits and go straight to installing an emperor. Quicker, cleaner and hell, closer to the existing reality than not anyway. Give the people, including what appears to be a good number of “liberty advocates” exactly what they want and deserve.

Then we see exactly where everybody stands and know exactly where we are.

Trump is getting too old to stay in power but perhaps [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] could be our benevolent dictator

 

[CCTelander]

Trump is getting too old to stay in power but perhaps [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] could be our benevolent dictator

You got my vote. If I voted.

 

[Okie RP fan]

Hey, how about just focusing on term limits for congressmen and senators first, please?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"A Tennessee congressman has thrown his hat into the ring for Brown Noser of the Year..."

 

[spudea]

i would agree with a clause that allows congress to vote to suspend the 2 term limit and allow a 3rd term, and also force a state by state party primary election, so if he is still the best the republican party has to offer, he can win the primaries and then face the general election. If the people have had enough of him, he will lose.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is getting too old to stay in power but perhaps @Swordsmyth could be our benevolent dictator

If nominated I will run, if elected I will serve.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Hey, how about just focusing on term limits for congressmen and senators first, please?

That's a bad idea, it has never helped and only made things worse wherever it was tried.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Personally, I think we should dispense with the bother of altering or eliminating presidential term limits and go straight to installing an emperor. Quicker, cleaner and hell, closer to the existing reality than not anyway. Give the people, including what appears to be a good number of “liberty advocates” exactly what they want and deserve.

Then we see exactly where everybody stands and know exactly where we are.

Barron Trump, Imperator Rex.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Personally, I think we should dispense with the bother of altering or eliminating presidential term limits and go straight to installing an emperor. Quicker, cleaner and hell, closer to the existing reality than not anyway. Give the people, including what appears to be a good number of “liberty advocates” exactly what they want and deserve.

Then we see exactly where everybody stands and know exactly where we are.

I actually agree with Swordsmyth on this (especially with respect to the "civil service" bureaucracy):

The term limit should be removed entirely, along with civil service protections that keep the deepstate bureaucrats from being changed out regularly.

As I noted recently in another thread, I am not a fan of term limits. At best, they're cosmetic bandages that treat symptoms, but won't cure the disease - and in any case, they'll end up tossing out babies (such as Thomas Massie) with the bathwater.

As for my previous post, I am just an enjoyer of the myriad parallels between the modern US and the late Roman Republic (or the late Roman Empire, as the case may be). I actually think Octavian-cum-Augustus was an improvement over the extremely unstable and severely dysfunctional basket-case the late Republic had become. As princeps [1], Augustus put an end to the civil and political strife (including the bloody proscriptions and violent reprisals) that had come to regularly plaque the Republic, and he instantiated the long, relatively peaceful, and prosperous Pax Romana.

However, if one were to analogize elements of the situation described in my previous post with the present state of affairs (and the proposal being made by Ogles), Trump would not be Octavian ...

He would be Gaius Marius. [2]



[1] And note that the use of princeps (meaning "first" or "foremost") as a designation for the Roman emperor, starting with Augustus, was replaced with dominus (meaning "lord" or "master") with Diocletian. (Coincidentally, this change occurred not too long after the Pax Romana had effectively run its course and expired.) This is a subtle but not insignificant difference. In fact, many historians use it to mark a distinction between the "principate" Roman Empire and the "autocratic" Roman Empire.

[2] With his unprecedented sequence of terms as president, FDR would be a much better fit for a Marius analog. It has also been 80 years since FDR died, which just happens to be the same span of time from Marius to Octavian. But that would take us outside the immediate scope of the OP, with the reform proposed by House Rep. Ogles being the inverse of that implemented by dictator Sulla.

 

[Occam's Banana]

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