Tell me why Ron Paul voted against

[sailingaway]

I hate that I have to put up with these kinds of votes from Justin and Ron. I have to sacrifice a lot in order to find Republicans who oppose invading foreign countries. What I would really like is to elect members of Congress who will vote to defend the unborn and vote against killing innocent people overseas.

Would they have to have federal murder altogether? Ron is completely fine with defining life as beginning at conception so the states would deal with the penalty and procedure as they do with ALL taking of human life. The Constitution is a GOOD thing.

 

[sailingaway]

Suspension votes are normally used for noncontroversial bills, but the GOP-backed measure was clearly controversial. Republicans have occasionally put controversial bills on the suspension calendar in order to highlight that Democrats oppose certain policies.

In some cases, Republicans have rescheduled these bills for regular consideration after they have failed, allowing for passage by a simple majority. But Republicans gave no sign that they would try again with PRENDA.

In other words it was political kabuki theatre. They WANTED it to fail, or they'd bring it up under normal rules that only require a majority vote to pass.

 

[dillo]

You are wrong about that. There is no law above God's law and there never will be.

except we have no idea what gods law is

 

[soulcyon]

So wait... why would anyone vote FOR this bill?!

 

[Professor8000]

I'm just going to jump in here. The Federal Government is not there to prosecute people who murder their unborn children. The Federal Government should only prosecute individuals or commit treason, counterfeit currency, or commit piracy. Every other crime is handled by your state, or should be. When you decide that you want to support the Federal Government to have more power to decide for you what you should and should not do, the Romney Campaign will welcome you with open arms.

 

[specsaregood]

So wait... why would anyone vote FOR this bill?!

Because they want to pretend to their voters and donors that they are pro-life, while not actually doing anything about it. The politicians on both sides like it because it doesn't actually achieve anything, so they can keep using the issue and the big advocacy groups like it because nothing changes and they can keep begging donors for money to stop it.

 

[kylejack]

This bill was a backlash to an anti-abortion activist who went into Planned Parenthood facilities and said she wanted to abort her baby only if it was a girl. The PP person she spoke with accommodated her and was later fired by PP. It was all just theater.

 

[Victor Grey]

Because they want to pretend to their voters and donors that they are pro-life, while not actually doing anything about it. The politicians on both sides like it because it doesn't actually achieve anything, so they can keep using the issue and the big advocacy groups like it because nothing changes and they can keep begging donors for money to stop it.

This.

That is the m.o. of the political right when it comes to social conservatism, since 1960.
It's all just pandering and posturing. Get up on stage and show the little vote-dummies "oh we so care about this issue that you care about. Vote for me at election time."

Of course actually doing something on any controversial issue has too much election time backlash. Besides what would the advocacy groups do, if they no long had anything to advocate? They don't want things changed, either.

It's the same way with fiscal conservatism.

 

[brenton]

What the hell is wrong with Ron Paul. I understand and believe states rights when it comes to abortion, but come on, I do agree that staff at a doctors office should be put in jail for 5 years if they knowingly abort a baby because the mother does not want to have a girl.

Tell me why Ron Paul would vote against stopping Gender Based Abortions:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...enalizing-doctors-for-sex-selection-abortions

I thought regardless Rep Paul was pro life. Even though YES if staff knows your going to abort a baby and you knew the mother was going to abort the baby because of the Sex, shouldn't that staff member do 5 years in prison

what the hell is wrong with you? attacking ron paul as if he is the enemy because you don't understand a vote is dumb.

 

[Karsten]

You are wrong about that. There is no law above God's law and there never will be.

I'm an agnostic, yet just as much a Paul supporter.

 

[EBounding]

Then why did he go ahead and vote for it if he felt the bill was unconstitutional?

Because the partial birth abortion ban would at least save lives, even though it wasn't really constitutional.

This bill however does nothing to save lives. It hurts the pro-life movement by using the same arguments the Left uses in their agenda. The GOP leadership is just using us and the unborn to whip up opposition against the President. If they really wanted to stop sex-selection abortion, their bill would have made it illegal to have an abortion if the sex of the child could be determined. That bill would be unconstitutional as well, but at least it would have the effect of saving lives. They would have proposed this bill without suspending the rules so it only required a simple majority vote. But that wasn't their intent. It was just a political maneuver against the president and to provide pro-life "cover" for establishment RINOS who really don't care at all about abortion.

 

[Liberty74]

The "staff" should go to jail for 5 years? I am prolife but I don't agree with that idea. This country does not need more federal laws that aren't going to solve the issue of killing. This law does not change the hearts and minds of people much less stop abortions.

This Bill is nothing more than a pandering strategy. Why don't the Republicans start passing meaningful stuff for a change?

 

[Brett85]

Would they have to have federal murder altogether? Ron is completely fine with defining life as beginning at conception so the states would deal with the penalty and procedure as they do with ALL taking of human life. The Constitution is a GOOD thing.

The 5th and 14th amendments are a good thing too. They both contain a right to life.

 

[Brett85]

The trolls are out in full force today. Just like murder and all acts of violence, they're not to be handled at the Federal level. Write to your state representative if you would like to see changes on these issues. Correct votes by Paul and Amash.

What's the point of even having a federal government if they won't stop innocent people from being killed? I so no reason to even have a federal government if they won't even defend life.

 

[Brett85]

It's just that I'm so adamently pro life that I don't think I could ever vote against any pro life legislation if I were a member of Congress. If I felt a certain pro life bill were unconstitutional, I would simply abstain from voting and explain why.

 

[Tankbot85]

What if we're not Christian?

^^THIS^^

As an atheist/agnostic this drives me crazy.

So tired of hearing about gods law in arguments.

When the existence of such being is Proven 100% to me with no doubts then i will reconsider.

But until that time god has no place in our courtrooms or our laws.

 

[pcosmar]

It's just that I'm so adamently pro life

I am too. The biggest problem is that this shit is used as a wedge issue by people that have absolutely no intention of ending abortion..
It is used instead to distract from other issues and so poorly conceived and written that it it does nothing but divide.

perhaps folks suffer from short term memory loss.
This was used quite effectively to sell the Health Care bill,, and my congressman was one who pushed that shit.
So people replaced him,, with another that is as bad or worse. And nothing changed.

Traded a "D" socialist with an "R" socialist. Both make the claim of Pro-Life.

 

[specsaregood]

What's the point of even having a federal government if they won't stop innocent people from being killed? I so no reason to even have a federal government if they won't even defend life.

Whats the point in having state government if you are going to run everything from the federal government anyways?

 

[Brett85]

Whats the point in having state government if you are going to run everything from the federal government anyways?

I never said that state governments shouldn't have the power to ban abortion, and I certainly didn't say that I want the federal government to run everything. I want the federal government out of most issues. But I believe the federal government exists to defend life, liberty, and private property. This particular bill falls under the category of defending life.

 

[Tankbot85]

Whats the point in having state government if you are going to run everything from the federal government anyways?

I agree.

I say keep the federal government and the states out of it.

What is the point of being called a "free country" if we are not truly free?