Taxes Avoided by the Rich Could Pay Off the Deficit

[torchbearer]

Just because the government had taken it away does not mean it was never theirs to begin with.

you missed the other half of the post-
but just letting you know- property granted by the state is not a right but a privilege.

 

[Occam's Banana]

(And I'm not even sure that Shakespeare created words, but perhaps he did.)

This is just an OT aside, for those who are interested:

Shakespeare was a prolific word creator. He coined around 2,000 words - about one out of every ten (distinct) words he used had never been used before.

These are just a few of the words he created: critical, monumental, majestic, obscene, countless, excellent, hurry, and lonely.

He also coined numerous well-known & commonly-used phrases, such as "in the mind's eye", "one fell swoop", to be "in a pickle", "vanish into thin air", "play fast and loose" & "budge an inch" (and many, many others).

[Source: Bill Bryson, The Mother Tongue: English & How It Got That Way]

 

[torchbearer]

This is just an OT aside, for those who are interested:

Shakespeare was a prolific word creator. He coined around 2,000 words - about one out of every ten (distinct) words he used had never been used before.

These are just a few of the words he created: critical, monumental, majestic, obscene, countless, excellent, hurry, and lonely.

He also coined numerous well-known & commonly-used phrases, such as "in the mind's eye", "one fell swoop", to be "in a pickle", "vanish into thin air", "play fast and loose" & "budge an inch" (and many, many others).

[Source: Bill Bryson, The Mother Tongue: English & How It Got That Way]

thanks for the fill-in.
angel uses his words and doesn't think she needs to pay for them. the nerve.

 

[angelatc]

you missed the other half of the post-
but just letting you know- property granted by the state is not a right but a privilege.

The second half of the post was stupid, but since you're determined to own it... if the person who invented the English language can step forward and prove ownership, then we can start having conversations about what his fair share is.

Property isn't granted by the state. It's protected by the state, and sometimes reallocated by the state.

 

[angelatc]

thanks for the fill-in.
angel uses his words and doesn't think she needs to pay for them. the nerve.

My name is Angela, and if his heirs wanted society to pay them for his contributions, I'd support that. You prefer to leech?

Good lord, why should the man who wrote things down to entertain us actually get paid for the effort? That's stupid considering we can simply vote for the right to use his works for free.

 

[torchbearer]

The second half of the post was stupid, but since you're determined to own it... if the person who invented the English language can step forward and prove ownership, then we can start having conversations about what his fair share is.

Property isn't granted by the state. It's protected by the state, and sometimes reallocated by the state.

someone has already post owned words(by shakespear). that was just one i knew off the top off my head. are you going to pay now? no? ok, thought so.
and those rights are not protected by the state, they are given out to people. you have to apply for them- and then be given them. its not just a natural protection.

 

[torchbearer]

My name is Angela, and if his heirs wanted society to pay them for his contributions, I'd support that. You prefer to leech?

Good lord, why should the man who wrote things down to entertain us actually get paid for the effort? That's stupid considering we can simply vote for the right to use his works for free.

did you ask his heirs if they wanted to be paid?
it has been assumed that his words couldn't be owned.

 

[angelatc]

someone has already post owned words(by shakespear). that was just one i knew off the top off my head. are you going to pay now? no? ok, thought so.
and those rights are not protected by the state, they are given out to people. you have to apply for them- and then be given them. its not just a natural protection.

Why are you assigning me positions that I don't take, then proceeding to call me a hypocrite?

(ACtually, written works are indeed protected whether or not you apply for them. )

 

[torchbearer]

written works are indeed protected whether or not you apply for them. )

but you keep using them without paying. why?

 

[angelatc]

did you ask his heirs if they wanted to be paid?
it has been assumed that his words couldn't be owned.

Who assumed that? Besides you, I mean.

And if the law at the time didn't protect the works of the artists, then the law was wrong then.

 

[angelatc]

but you keep using them without paying. why?

OK, I'm done with your pointless noise. You want people to work with no right to profit from their creations. We get that.

 

[torchbearer]

Who assumed that? Besides you, I mean.

And if the law at the time didn't protect the works of the artists, then the law was wrong then.

assumed what? that you aren't paying for the words you using?
good assumption since no one pays for words they are using- especially those who think all ideas are a personal property.

let's look at music- the riff for louie, louie, wild thing, hang on sloopie, and about 70% of all rock songs using the same exact riff. i don't see all these bands paying the family of the slave from southern miss. for it?
well, the government didn't designate an owner- so i guess there wasn't one. but other people can steal that idea and then charge you for it as if it was theirs.

 

[angelatc]

No, EVERY resident citizen gets an equal individual land tax exemption for enough good land to live on.

If we did that, in 10 years half of the population would again be paying rent to landlords, having long ago sold their land for booze and whores.

 

[torchbearer]

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[BlackTerrel]

I'm tired of having the "how should we tax the rich more" argument. Why doesn't anyone talk about how they got that money in the first place? We could solve the problem by putting an end to our centralized banking system that literally prints up money and puts it in the hands of the rich and their friends.

"The rich" is a diverse group. There's Steve Jobs, the creators of Instagram, and LeBron James.... then there's Ben Bernanke.

In my experience the majority of "the rich" got there's the right way.

 

[misean]

"The rich" is a diverse group. There's Steve Jobs, the creators of Instagram, and LeBron James.... then there's Ben Bernanke.

In my experience the majority of "the rich" got there's the right way.

Do you consider Ben Bernanke rich? LOL. Just looked it up. He only makes 190k a year as the most powerful man in the world.

Also this video from Tony Robbins (has absolutely nothing to do with his other stuff) is actually pretty well researched. Its 20 minutes and does a better job than anything I've seen getting perspective on the debt and why soaking the rich doesn't work.

 

[misean]

Of course the real solution would be to cut the Income Tax period. The people at the bottom should be able to take their wealth back from the rich because it was effectively stolen from them, and the Theft should be reimbursed!

From each according to his means to each according to his needs. Workers of the world unite, comrade.

 

[pochy1776]

Worst thread of the week.

that belongs to my thread DEAR GOP. I suck.

 

[Roy L]

OK, I'm done with your pointless noise. You want people to work with no right to profit from their creations. We get that.

No, you're just lying about what we have plainly written. We hope creative people profit from their creations, but not at the expense of violating others' rights. What part of that are you not understanding? Do you understand the difference between a cab driver profiting from his labor by making a market wage, and the same cab driver doing the same work but making twice as much money because he has a taxi medallion that violates others' rights?

 

[Roy L]

I really don't even know what this has to do with income inequality, but if many people invented the computer, then the corporation they were working for should own the copyright(s).

Why is it so important to you that corporations should own people's opportunities to use and benefit by human knowledge?

The words that I type are indeed mine.

Nope. They're in the public domain. They can only be turned into private property by government fiat.

I do own those, although I might have agreed to give up my ownership rights to Josh when I signed up. I am paying Comcast every month to put my words out here.

How would anyone own them?