Talked to some relatives about global warming.....

[FSU63]

I'm a libertarian, but I absolutely hate associating myself with most libertarians, to be honest. I believe that it is right to question authority, but, from what I've read here, most libs think that EVERYTHING is propaganda and EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

Yes, because the big bad scientists want to brainwash people into doing who-knows-what the libertarians say they want people to do. The big bad scientists are just puppets that want to watch the world burn, and they're ALL involved in the NWO

 

[jmdrake]

Certainly not any government ones. But I believe that people should recycle, should opt for clean energy when given the choice, should switch to "cleaner" cars, etc.

As I said, I don't give two shits about global warming. But why do people feel that not believing in global warming gives them an excuse to dirty up the air? All I'm saying is that we should want to NOT pollute our environment.

Straw man argument. Nobody has said that not believing in global warming gives them an excuse to dirty up the air. That said, your claim that you "don't give two shits about global warming" contradicts your earlier statement.

Whether or not man-made global warming exists (I believe it does), why would we want dirty streets and dirty air? Why would you NOT want a clean society? Arguing whether man-made global warming exists or not is pointless. Rather, we should be arguing whether people want to be inhaling dirty air.

I never specifically mentioned CO2 at all.

So what pray tell do you believe causes man made global warming since you are already on record saying that you believe in man made global warming?

I never said it did. I'm not talking about global warming, I'm talking more about pollution in general.

Then start a new thread talkinga bout pollution in general. I'm all for fighting pollution in general. Some technologies, like clean coal, do not cause pollution in general. But they are not being given the attention they deserve because some useful idiots believe the CO2 they release cause global warming.

 

[Reason]

You can't reason someone out of a belief that they were not reasoned into.

 

[FSU63]

So what pray tell do you believe causes man made global warming since you are already on record saying that you believe in man made global warming?

I did not come in here to debate whether man-made global warming exists or not, as I feel the argument is irrelevant. It really does not matter if it exists or not, we should still strive to preserve our environment.

 

[jmdrake]

I did not come in here to debate whether man-made global warming exists or not, as I feel the argument is irrelevant. It really does not matter if it exists or not, we should still strive to preserve our environment.

Of course. Nobody said otherwise. Do you know what a straw man argument is? Because that is what you are engaging in. Further some things that can be done to actually help the environment (like clean coal) actually go against the "global warming" dogma. So to help the environment, debunk global warming.

 

[robert9712000]

I did not come in here to debate whether man-made global warming exists or not, as I feel the argument is irrelevant. It really does not matter if it exists or not, we should still strive to preserve our environment.

I do agree that striving to preserve the environment is a good thing,but it needs to be on a volunteer basis .The problem with alot of environmentalists is they want to mandate all these restrictions that have hardly any effect on the environment,but has a huge effect on the costs towards consumers,putting a unnecessary burden on them.When environmentally friendly products are able to compete with regular products on the open market then i will gladly buy it.I think a great example is the tesla Cars.There still too pricey ,but when the price gets more reasonable id love to have one.

 

[Dr.3D]

I learned around five years ago, not to talk to my relatives about political stuff. I guess my brother didn't figure global warming was a political subject so he broached it and I fell for the subject. I expressed what I thought of the subject and I haven't been invited back for any holiday festivities since.

Edit: Actually they haven't spoken to me more than a couple of times since.

 

[green73]

The Elite must absolutely hate Thanksgiving, the people coming together and pernicious truths getting spread.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The solution to pollution are the recognition and enforcement of NP-Lockean property rights. Nuisance laws were eroded in the mid 19th Century and the expansion of State-sanctioned 'pollution' levels further eroded property rights. As for Global Warming...what a bunch of hubris and arrogance. CO2 is certainly a greenhouse gas, but the claims made by those looking to profit from it are insane. Armageddon is a light term to describe their claims. I am sure the Carboniferous period of the Earth was the sight of Venus. In fact, if they were honest and we took their assumption at face value (that the Earth is warming due to increase of CO2), you'd think they welcome it because such environmental conditions are BOONS to the environment, to farming, to plants, trees, and greens of all sort. The Carboniferous was the best time in the history of the planet for plants, trees, forests, jungles, etc. something these people supposedly 'support'.

They're just using 'Global Warming' as backdoors to depopulation, extortion, and power.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I learned around five years ago, not to talk to my relatives about political stuff. I guess my brother didn't figure global warming was a political subject so he broached it and I fell for the subject. I expressed what I thought of the subject and I haven't been invited back for any holiday festivities since.

Edit: Actually they haven't spoken to me more than a couple of times since.

My family knows I'm an anarchist/irreligious and they're fine with it (and my Dad largely agrees with me on a lot of issues). Only petty people 'disown' their family over political views.

 

[RJB]

Do you live under a rock? The mainstream and alternative media can't help but tie everything into a Fukushima angle. In the wake of Super Typhoon Haiyan, we get headlines like this: Typhoons-spreading-fukushima-fallout


OMG! The end is near. The end is near.

XNN

Listen, Rockman, we're talking strategy. I can see by your name you took my strategy personally. Navy nukes are smart but not when ego takes the place of thinking.

I said in my post I don't necessarily believe the doom and gloom. The strategy I was talking about is bringing up the mistrust of corporations by lefties. On odd days, yes the MSM mentions Fukushima. However, I watch the weather channel every morning before work and everyday (Or just about) they work in something about global warming. They may have mentioned Fukushima once or twice in the last year.

I'm not playing chicken little. My point is that lefties would probably freak out more over radiation VS carbon dioxide. Carbon taxes and Carbon trading benefits the corporations while hurting the little guy. Corporation (media and industry) on the other hand minimize news reports on incidents that harms them.

 

[jbauer]

mehh...

Had to get separated over obamacare from my brother in law. Dude is a smart guy and is completely clueless about whats going on.

 

[jbauer]

Umm....so are you saying that a typhoon couldn't spread fallout? At least the MSM isn't trying to say Fukashima is causing the typhoons. Global warming gets blamed for eathquakes.

Pretty sure if there was fallout we'd see dead people by now. The press makes its money by reporting disasters. If there was a story to tell it'd be out there. Not saying it isn't an ongoing problem.

 

[jbauer]

Whether or not man-made global warming exists (I believe it does), why would we want dirty streets and dirty air? Why would you NOT want a clean society? Arguing whether man-made global warming exists or not is pointless. Rather, we should be arguing whether people want to be inhaling dirty air.

Bingo!!

Its not about whether the planet is warming or not. Its about doing as little harm as possible while "living life" to the planet we and our children and their children are going to inhabit.

 

[CaptUSA]

At the end of the day, once someone has fully convinced him or herself that something is definitely true it is very difficult to get that person to see a different point of view.

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Voltaire said it best. See my sig line.

 

[libertarianMoney]

HAHA

This guy posts a thread about how impossible it is to change peoples minds referencing global warming and we get a thread stuffed with people failing to change other peoples minds about global warming.

Whenever my family starts to talk about politics I give them a little warning that I'm going to start talking. That's when they usually change the subject.

If they don't, I usually try to focus on the points that they agree with me on. Then I try to make every other arguement the emotional high ground. "You're willing to let people starve because businesses can't hire them for less than what YOU say is fair?" I can usually get them to say some pretty stupid things just so they don't have to change their mind. It doesn't do much for the person I'm debating but everyone around suddenly thinks I'm the reasonable side of the arguement.

Oh, and if they give me the old, "my opinion" thing. I just agree with that they're using their opinion instead of the facts.
That doesn't help but it gives me immense pleasure.

On the positive side; I get the impression my mother has always been an anarchist but never knew it.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I met my cousin in laws, father in law for the first time today. He was a banker for some 30+ years. We had quite the discussion, he kept claiming to believe in the free market but every argument he made was against the free market and I called him on it. I think I blew his mind a bit; I'm gonna get him a copy of the creature from jekyll island for Christmas.

Nice.. Id love to see a video of him unwrapping that gift

 

[Lord Xar]

Does anyone have any peer reviewed, scientific references to show that the earth is cooling? I've been reading this lately, but haven't seen the sources of said stories. Anyone have these off the top of their heads?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Does anyone have any peer reviewed, scientific references to show that the earth is cooling? I've been reading this lately, but haven't seen the sources of said stories. Anyone have these off the top of their heads?

I've seen quite a few good papers on the cooling phenomenon. Really good ones too that simply cannot be refuted among peers. Of course any old body can "debunk" you on the internet so it's really a waste of time and nothing to be had in sharing them out in the wild.

If you want I can gather a few. I just don't feel like it right this second.

 

[bolil]

Climate change is a natural fact. Its a duh. Weather, that shit changes.