Talked to some relatives about global warming.....

[jmdrake]

Okay. I'm going to preface this by saying that the particular relative that disagreed with me on this is in many ways smarter than I am. My point is that sometimes you can't get people to see your point of view even when the facts are on your side. So my nephew was asked by my mom about ways man is destroying the earth, and he included carbon dioxide. I pointed out that man made global warming is a hoax propogated by people who want to control the economy through carbon credits. Later at Thanksgiving dinner, he asked my aunt if she knew global warming is a hoax. She said "I know some people believe that but I think its real." I pointed out that even the IPCC has had to admit that the earth hasn't been warming for the past 15 years. She was like "They SAY that, but we don't know that's true." I was like "But they're the ones that were pushing this thing the hardest." She was like "Well why are the ice caps melting". I said "They're melting, they're expanding." She's like "So you say". I'm like "No. I don't say. It's been in the news. I can look it up." (I pull up a story from the Washington Post on the artic ice expanding.) She was like "If the Washington post says rain doesn't fall, does that mean it doesn't fall?" I'm like "That makes no sense. You can see the rain fall. Neither you nor eye have witnessed the polar ice caps so we have to go from someone else's report. The Washington post is a liberal newspaper. Why would they make something up to attack global warming?" She was like "It's propaganda."

At the end of the day, once someone has fully convinced him or herself that something is definitely true it is very difficult to get that person to see a different point of view.

 

[oyarde]

I have burnt about two ricks of wood since Sat afternoon, I could have used a little warming , been night time lows like Jan.

 

[RJB]

Me personally, I'm more suspicious of events the media won't talk about. Such as arresting reporters on the beach after the BP disaster in the Gulf. There is very little talk about the Fukushima incident. I don't necessarily believe the doom and gloom from the alternative media, but (here is my argument) I'm more interested in ecological disasters that are hidden by corporate controlled media when there is a threat to their bottom line (like BP) and more skeptical of the natural gas carbon that is less than 4% of the greenhouse gases with water vapor at 95% and you have people like Al Gore lining up to profit from carbon trading and carbon taxes.

This argument sometimes works with diehard liberals because of their suspicion of corporations and big money. If it doesn't work, it at least gets the gears turning.

 

[specsaregood]

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[Natural Citizen]

Originally Posted by RJB

I'm more interested in ecological disasters that are hidden by corporate controlled media when there is a threat to their bottom line (like BP) and more skeptical of the natural gas carbon that is less than 4% of the greenhouse gases with water vapor at 95% and you have people like Al Gore lining up to profit from carbon trading and carbon taxes.

Yeah, not a peep from them about all of those earthquakes in Texas. Some are saying it's from all of the fracking.

 

[RJB]

I usually keep quiet politically with only minor nudges to direct people's thinking. I talk most my trash online

You guys must be the dreaded uncle/aunt/etc. who people dread seeing on the Holidays

 

[jmdrake]

I usually keep quiet politically with only minor nudges to direct people's thinking. I talk most my trash online

You guys must be the dreaded uncle/aunt/etc. who people dread seeing on the Holidays

LOL. Hey, I didn't bring the subject up. I usually don't. I just have a hard time idling listening to some of this stuff.

 

[Natural Citizen]

jmdrake, how is it that you personally define "man made" if I may ask? Or "Man", to be clear?

 

[specsaregood]

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[jmdrake]

jmdrake, how is it that you personally define "man made" if I may ask? Or "Man", to be clear?

I don't buy the theory that humans are the primary cause of global warming due to carbon dixoxide emissions or any other reason. I used to believe that. Why do you ask?

 

[Natural Citizen]

I don't buy the theory that humans are the primary cause of global warming due to carbon dixoxide emissions or any other reason. I used to believe that. Why do you ask?

A lot of times when I talk to people about man made destruction they tend to speak in terms of the basic things that humans do and so they only place the man made language into things that they can relate to. This limits their position in scope. They don't tend to place a multi-national corporation's poisons and disruptions into the man made category but, as we have come to foolishly accept, corporations are people too. You see?

Now, I'm just talking about average joes here, Not people who actually study this stuff. But the average joes are the ones soliciting the dumbing down discussion on it and then all we hear about is farts and whatnot. Wood stoves and other things they can relate with which doesn't really do the phenomenon any justice in scope.

 

[Neil Desmond]

I'm not saying that this human-caused global warming claim, or claims that main is destroying the planet with carbon dioxide, is a hoax or something fraudulent, but it does seem to me that those who believe or accept those claims are devoted to it in a practically religious sense - and Saint Al of the Gore is their messiah.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Jmdrake, you're definitely humble. I doubt these people are as smart as you are

 

[Czolgosz]

I have burnt about two ricks of wood since Sat afternoon, I could have used a little warming , been night time lows like Jan.

 

[oyarde]

I will be splitting wood Sat afternoon thinking about all of this golbal warming.

 

[Antischism]

This website would have been useful to them if they want to engage in debate on this particular subject.

 

[fearthereaperx]

This website would have been useful to them if they want to engage in debate on this particular subject.

Skepticalscience only cares about promoting one side of the story. Stay away from it.

 

[squarepusher]

I have mixed feelings on this issue. However the scientific consensus is lie 98% of scientists believe Climate Change to be real. You get a few oddballs who are possibly oil funded scientists who post on blogs about how its fake. Am I really one to question a scientific majority though?

 

[Cutlerzzz]

I have mixed feelings on this issue. However the scientific consensus is lie 98% of scientists believe Climate Change to be real. You get a few oddballs who are possibly oil funded scientists who post on blogs about how its fake. Am I really one to question a scientific majority though?

Yeah, because big oil is horrified that cap and trade could pass.

/sarcasm

 

[Dr.3D]

I have mixed feelings on this issue. However the scientific consensus is lie 98% of scientists believe Climate Change to be real. You get a few oddballs who are possibly oil funded scientists who post on blogs about how its fake. Am I really one to question a scientific majority though?

Yeah, at one time, the scientific majority thought the sun traveled around the earth.