Taking things from white people

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[oyarde]

In the 20th century when most serial killers were white, white racists would claim "That's because being a serial killer takes more intelligence."

Id guess because it takes a certain amount of mental illnes growing since younger years most often allowed to go unaddressed in areas of more wealt tan typical large urban settings afford on avg

 

[TheTexan]

In the 20th century when most serial killers were white, white racists would claim "That's because being a serial killer takes more intelligence."

Not getting caught does require more intelligence

 

[RJB]

(From the Tweet)

This is the Islamic Center that wrote a letter in support of him stating that he’s a “family man” who had to overcome the “challenges of a new culture”

I have dealt with cultural challenges when I lived in Japan and South Korea. I never even had the slightest temptation to rape a 12 year old girl. The difference is, I respected the people in my host countries. These migrants don't respect us. On top of that, I can't imagine a Christian minister blaming the Asian culture for compelling a person to do something so horrible.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah. People have a knack for coming up with nonsense answers for inconvenient statistics like the fact that the per capita crime rate went down after 20,000 Haitians moved to Springfield Ohio. Sorry but I don't at all believe that a century that in the first have gave us the Greenwood, Rosewood and St. Louis around routine lynchings was somehow skewing racial statistics about serial killings in favor of white people.

Wiki, three different AI searches, and the Tuskegee Institute put the total number of black lynching victims in the US, from its inception to 2025, at a high of around 6500 to a low of around 3400 (appx 1300 were White victims).

So let's double that high number, to cover for lynchings done in secret, unreported or unprosecuted.

That's 13000 over roughly two and half centuries.

For the first quarter of just this century alone, 2000 to 2025, Grok estimates 16027 on the high side, to 14927 on the low side, the number of Whites killed by blacks.

Gab AI estimates are lower phrasing it as a "conservative estimate" of around 4400.

Duck Duck Go and Screwgle punted the question and would not answer.

National Conservative has been tracking interracial homicides as well. His number show about 400 to 600 every year, so 25 years worth, assuming the numbers remain fairly steady show around 12,500, splitting the difference.

Now of course, ratios come into play here: there are more Whites, for the time being, so victimization rates would tend higher, even after acknowledging that most violent crime is intraracial.

But that would cut the other way as well: lynchings would have been much greater in number when the White population was roughly 90 percent of the country.

My point in all this?

"Widespread lynchings" of blacks by Whites is nowhere near as widespread as Whites dying at the hands of blacks.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well I just cant believe that if you take someone from one spot on the earth and move them to another spot on the earth that they become different people so the people do play a role.

If you take me for example and put me in a communist country I wouldn't suddenly become communist. I would probably even want to overthrow that government and create a different one.

You're right, there is no such thing as "magic dirt", that, once having stepped foot on it, you immediately sprout an Adam Smith brain and Thomas Jefferson wings.

Liberia is a good example, a nation that is 85 percent Christian and has a constitution that almost is a mirror image of ours. It has been a free and independent republic since 1847, is rich in natural resources, had significant US investment and a US educated ruling class.

We see where it is today.

Ethnos>Culture>High Trust Society>Limited Government>Liberty>Economic Prosperity

 

[jmdrake]

Wiki, three different AI searches, and the Tuskegee Institute put the total number of black lynching victims in the US, from its inception to 2025, at a high of around 6500 to a low of around 3400 (appx 1300 were White victims).

So let's double that high number, to cover for lynchings done in secret, unreported or unprosecuted.

That's 13000 over roughly two and half centuries.

For the first quarter of just this century alone, 2000 to 2025, Grok estimates 16027 on the high side, to 14927 on the low side, the number of Whites killed by blacks.

Gab AI estimates are lower phrasing it as a "conservative estimate" of around 4400.

Duck Duck Go and Screwgle punted the question and would not answer.

National Conservative has been tracking interracial homicides as well. His number show about 400 to 600 every year, so 25 years worth, assuming the numbers remain fairly steady show around 12,500, splitting the difference.

Now of course, ratios come into play here: there are more Whites, for the time being, so victimization rates would tend higher, even after acknowledging that most violent crime is intraracial.

But that would cut the other way as well: lynchings would have been much greater in number when the White population was roughly 90 percent of the country.

My point in all this?

"Widespread lynchings" of blacks by Whites is nowhere near as widespread as Whites dying at the hands of blacks.

More dishonest use of statistics by you which is to be expected at this point. The specific point I made that there's no way in hell the black serial killer numbers were being suppressed. So rather than deal with my specific point you decided to shift the time frame. But if you want to go with all time killings, there were about 1 to 2 million blacks killed as a result of the middle passage.

Edit: Anyway, since you love Grok so much (apparently), here's what Grok said about the number of blacks killed by whites in America from 1619 to 2000 present versus the number of whites killed by blacks during that same period.

Estimating the number of Black people killed by White people and White people killed by Black people in America from 1619 to 2000 is extraordinarily complex due to the lack of comprehensive, reliable data over such a long historical period, especially for the earlier centuries. The time span includes eras of slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, and the modern era, each with distinct patterns of violence and varying levels of documentation. Below, I provide a reasoned estimate based on available historical data, scholarly research, and statistical trends, while acknowledging significant limitations and gaps in the record. The estimates are necessarily rough, as precise numbers are impossible to ascertain for most of this period.

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Key Challenges in Estimation

1. Lack of Data Before the 20th Century: There are no systematic records of homicides or violent deaths for most of the period from 1619 to 1900. Slavery-era violence, including lynchings, massacres, and extrajudicial killings, was often unrecorded or underreported, particularly when perpetrated against Black people.
2. Inconsistent Definitions: "Killed" can encompass homicides, lynchings, massacres, state-sanctioned violence (e.g., police or militia actions), and other forms of killing. These categories are not always clearly distinguished in historical records.
3. Racial Dynamics: Violence during slavery and Jim Crow was heavily asymmetrical, with White-perpetrated violence against Black people being far more common and often state-sanctioned or socially tolerated. In contrast, Black-on-White violence was less frequent and typically harshly punished, making it less documented in certain periods.
4. Modern Data Limitations: Even in the 20th century, national crime statistics were not consistently collected until the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program began in the 1930s, and detailed racial breakdowns are only available for later decades.

Given these challenges, I will break the analysis into historical periods, using available data and reasonable extrapolations where possible. The estimates will focus on homicides, lynchings, and major documented acts of violence, acknowledging that many incidents went unrecorded.

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Historical Periods and Estimates1. Slavery Era (1619–1865)

• Black People Killed by White People:
  • Context: During slavery, Black people were subjected to extreme violence, including beatings, executions, and murders by enslavers, overseers, and vigilantes. This violence was often legal or socially sanctioned, and records are sparse. Historians estimate that millions of enslaved Africans died during the Middle Passage and slavery due to violence, disease, and brutal conditions, but specific homicide counts are elusive.
  • Lynchings and Executions: Enslaved people were frequently killed for perceived rebellion or disobedience. For example, Nat Turner’s rebellion in 1831 led to the execution of over 50 Black people and the extrajudicial killing of many others. Similar reprisals followed other slave revolts (e.g., Denmark Vesey in 1822). Scholars estimate thousands of such killings over two centuries, though no precise tally exists.
  • Massacres: Events like the Stono Rebellion (1739) saw dozens of Black people killed by White militias. These incidents were numerous but often poorly documented.
  • Estimate: Given the enslaved population grew from a few thousand in the 17th century to about 4 million by 1860, and considering the pervasive violence of slavery, a conservative estimate might suggest tens of thousands to low hundreds of thousands of Black people were killed by White people through direct violence (homicides, executions, and massacres) over this period. This excludes deaths from disease or overwork, focusing only on intentional killings.
• White People Killed by Black People:
  • Context: Black-on-White violence was rare due to the power imbalance. Enslaved people faced severe consequences for any act of resistance. However, slave rebellions occasionally resulted in White deaths (e.g., Nat Turner’s rebellion killed about 60 White people).
  • Estimate: Such incidents were infrequent, and the total number of White people killed by Black people during this period is likely in the low thousands (e.g., a few hundred from rebellions and isolated acts of resistance over 246 years).

2. Reconstruction and Jim Crow (1865–1965)

• Black People Killed by White People:
  • Lynchings: The Equal Justice Initiative (EJI) and Tuskegee Institute documented approximately 4,400 lynchings of Black people between 1877 and 1950, primarily by White perpetrators. This is likely an undercount, as many lynchings went unreported.
  • Massacres and Riots: White mobs attacked Black communities in events like the Colfax Massacre (1873, ~150 Black deaths), Wilmington Insurrection (1898, ~60 Black deaths), and Tulsa Race Massacre (1921, ~100–300 Black deaths). The EJI estimates at least 700 Black deaths in 34 racial massacres between 1865 and 1965.
  • Other Violence: Extrajudicial killings, including by police and vigilantes, were common but rarely recorded systematically. For example, Black sharecroppers and activists were frequently targeted during Jim Crow.
  • Estimate: Combining lynchings (4,400), massacres (1,000–2,000), and unrecorded homicides, a conservative estimate suggests 10,000–20,000 Black people were killed by White people during this period, with higher estimates possible due to underreporting.
• White People Killed by Black People:
  • Context: Black-on-White homicides were less common due to social control mechanisms (e.g., Jim Crow laws, swift retribution). However, some interracial homicides occurred, particularly in urban areas as Black populations migrated north.
  • Data: No comprehensive statistics exist, but early 20th-century urban crime reports suggest Black-on-White homicides were a small fraction of total homicides. Given the Black population was ~10–12% of the U.S. population, and assuming intraracial violence was predominant (as later data confirms), Black-on-White homicides were likely limited.
  • Estimate: Extrapolating from later 20th-century trends (where Black-on-White homicides were ~15% of White victims’ homicides), perhaps 2,000–5,000 White people were killed by Black people over this century, though this is highly speculative due to sparse data.

3. Modern Era (1965–2000)

• Data Availability: More reliable data exists from the FBI’s UCR program (1930s onward) and the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) Homicide Trends (1980–2008). These sources provide racial breakdowns for homicides, though they focus on reported crimes and may miss some cases.
• Black People Killed by White People:
  • FBI Data: According to the BJS (1980–2008), ~8% of Black homicide victims were killed by White offenders, with ~84% killed by Black offenders. In 2018, 8% of Black murder victims (234 of 2,925) were killed by White offenders. Extrapolating backward, assuming similar trends, and using FBI data showing ~7,000–9,000 Black homicide victims annually in the 1990s, approximately 500–700 Black people per year were killed by White people.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  • Total Estimate: Over 35 years (1965–2000), this suggests 17,500–24,500 Black people killed by White people, excluding police shootings (addressed below).
  • Police Shootings: Black Americans were disproportionately killed by police. From 2015–2024, Black people (13–14% of the population) accounted for ~22% of fatal police shootings. Assuming similar trends in earlier decades, and with ~1,000 annual police shootings, perhaps 100–200 Black people per year were killed by (mostly White) police officers, adding 3,500–7,000 deaths over 35 years.
    
    
    
    
• White People Killed by Black People:
  • FBI Data: In 2018, 15.5% of White murder victims (514 of 3,315) were killed by Black offenders. In 2019, 566 White victims were killed by Black offenders. Assuming ~5,000–7,000 White homicide victims annually in the 1990s, and ~15% by Black offenders, approximately 750–1,050 White people per year were killed by Black people.
    
    
    
    
    
  • Total Estimate: Over 35 years, this suggests 26,250–36,750 White people killed by Black people.
  • Police Shootings: White people were 41% of fatal police shooting victims, but Black officers were a small minority of police (7% in 2000). This suggests minimal Black-on-White police killings, likely under 10 per year.
    
    

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Total Estimates (1619–2000)

• Black People Killed by White People:
  • Slavery (1619–1865): 50,000–100,000 (tens of thousands from executions, lynchings, and massacres).
  • Reconstruction/Jim Crow (1865–1965): 10,000–20,000 (lynchings, massacres, and unreported homicides).
  • Modern Era (1965–2000): 21,000–31,500 (homicides: 17,500–24,500; police shootings: 3,500–7,000).
  • Total: 81,000–151,500 Black people killed by White people. This is likely an undercount due to unrecorded violence, especially pre-1900.
• White People Killed by Black People:
  • Slavery (1619–1865): 1,000–3,000 (rare due to power imbalances).
  • Reconstruction/Jim Crow (1865–1965): 2,000–5,000 (speculative, based on limited interracial homicides).
  • Modern Era (1965–2000): 26,250–36,750 (based on FBI data trends).
  • Total: 29,250–44,750 White people killed by Black people. This may be an overestimate for earlier periods due to sparse data.

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Key Observations

1. Asymmetry in Early Periods: From 1619 to 1965, Black people faced far greater violence from White people due to slavery, lynchings, and state-sanctioned oppression. The power imbalance made Black-on-White violence rare and heavily punished.
2. Modern Trends: In the late 20th century, interracial homicide rates became more balanced, though Black-on-White homicides were higher in raw numbers due to population differences and crime reporting. However, per capita, Black Americans were (and remain) disproportionately victims of homicide overall.
   
   
   
3. Data Gaps: Pre-1900 estimates are highly speculative, as no centralized records exist. Even 20th-century data is incomplete, especially for police shootings and unreported homicides.

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Limitations

• Undercounting: Violence against Black people, especially during slavery and Jim Crow, was often unrecorded. Massacres and lynchings may be significantly underreported.
• Overcounting Risk: Modern-era extrapolations assume consistent trends, which may not hold for earlier decades with less data.
• Exclusions: This estimate focuses on direct homicides and lynchings, excluding deaths from systemic violence (e.g., starvation, medical neglect) or war-related violence.
• Racial Categorization: Historical records may not consistently distinguish race, and “White” often included Hispanics in early FBI data, complicating comparisons.

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Conclusion: A rough estimate suggests 81,000–151,500 Black people were killed by White people in America from 1619 to 2000, compared to 29,250–44,750 White people killed by Black people. The disparity is starkest in the slavery and Jim Crow eras, where White-perpetrated violence was systemic and widespread. In the modern era, Black-on-White homicides increased relative to earlier periods, but Black Americans remained disproportionately victimized overall. These figures are highly uncertain, especially for pre-1900 periods, and should be treated as illustrative rather than definitive. For further precision, specific years or events would need targeted historical research, as comprehensive data for the full period is unavailable.

 

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[TheTexan]

I tried to decipher what he was trying to say, but gave up. I think at one point he said he was going to "twerk this ho", that's about as much as I could understand.

 

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[TheTexan]

That last bit is important too.

"No other nation in history has gone through a demographic change of this magnitude in so short a time"

Historically what's happening is an untested social experiment of which we are the unwilling participants.

And as any scientist will tell you... most experiments end in failure.

 

[Occam's Banana]

And as any scientist will tell you... most experiments end in failure.

That might be what regular scientists will tell you,

But mad scientists have a different conception of "success".

 

[Occam's Banana]

Black Activists MELTDOWN Over All White Town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXz2l2V5qCk
{Actual Justice Warrior | 06 August 2025}

In this video, I discuss the absurd amount of outrage against about 40 white people forming a small town in Arkansas for people of European Christian ancestry. I explain how this has been done before by black people with very positive media coverage & how it is not something I am personally interested [in, but which doesn't particularly bother me].

Sources:

News Segment On White Town: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPeFPUQs-0E
News Segment On Black Town: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mt5CyBoCyU
Indisputable Meltdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYbdKNqXIfQ
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