Taking things from white people

Anti Federalist said:
Well, I'm not going to argue the point, I'll cede your point that having just plain beat cops patrolling would reduce crime.

But by your own words they also have to play the role of hard ass as well.

Again, assuming society must have them, and if you must have them they should perform the job as required.

My ideal "high trust" society would have almost no need for them at all.
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Oh I fully agree. Remember some months ago there was a thread where a town ended up getting rid of their police force altogether? You were concerend about that but I pointed out that town already had a low crime rate and probably didn't need a police force anyway?

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There's no police force where I live. Yeah there's a county sheriff's office. We've sometimes called them when people were illegally hunting on our property. (They were white. Not Haitian. And no ducks or geese were harmed). But even that wasn't really necessary. I heard a gunshot once at the end of my driveway and saw these three guys putting a deer in their trunk. I rolled down my window and said "You know it's not even hunting season yet right?" Their response was "It was hit by a car." Year right. :rolleyes: It was still kicking while they put it in the trunk. I didn't bother calling the sherriff that time nor did I bother following them because I knew they had gun and I didn't. There are also some thieves in the area. We used to be able to leave our keys in the ignition of the car. But recently we've had a log splitter and a riding lawnower stolen. But I digress. I generally feel safe. Mostly the sherriff's deputies stop people from speeding....which I find irritating because I tend to drive fast. A local deputy did help my dad out before I moved back down here and my mom was still alive. Some jackass secret service agent out of D.C. pulled a gun on my dad because my dad supposedly fit the description of a counterfeiter he was looking for. My dad was unarmed and in his late 70s at the time. I called one of the local commuinty leaders my mom had grown up with, he called the sheriff, and within a couple of weeks that fed was fired. That's my best experience with law enforcement ever. Oh and the community leader and the sheriff were both white. Just pointing that out because people get the impression that southern law enforcement is racist against black people and here was a southern sheriff helping a black man against northern aggression. Go figure?
 
Anti Federalist said:
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God already spoke on this issue. Please read Numbers 12.

12 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

2 And they said, Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the Lord heard it.

3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

4 And the Lord spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.

5 And the Lord came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.

6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

9 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed.

10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

11 And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.

12 Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb.

13 And Moses cried unto the Lord, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee.

14 And the Lord said unto Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in again.

15 And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in again.

16 And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the wilderness of Paran.​
 
jmdrake said:
Meh. Apples and oranges. When you already have a full blown riot going on a handful of cops aren't going to make a difference. In each of your videos there are about 20 people engaging in wanton lawlessness. That's harder to deal with using the right amount of force than dealing with a small hit squad. For comparison...Ireland riots.



When you have multiple seemingly unaarmed people milling around acting lawless you don't have cart blanche to open fire. Even if you as an officer "get away" with it there are still long term political repercussions. For instance the Ashley Babbit wrongful death lawsuit is still going on. "Oh but she was unarmed" you say. So are most of the people in the video th posted. And as a handful of police keep their eyes on the unarmed riotrs, some armed thugs can get some shots off unnoticed. What recently happened in Birmingham doesn't at all sound like that. It sounds like what was a peaceful night where some thugs got out of thier car, made a hit and drove off. Kind of like this:



Edit: This probably won't embed but you can click through and watch it again for the hundreth time. Notice the handful of police at the door didn't deter members of the crowd from punching the glass. But had a full SWAT contingent been there they most likely would have backed off.

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No deterrence effect.

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Anti Federalist said:
No deterrence effect.

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LOL. Dude you're becoming a zombie. You didn't even address what I said. I posted video of white people doing the exact same damn thing under similar circumstances! It's not simply an issue of cops being there. Nor do cops have to necessarily have to go all "police brutality." Let's go back to January 6th and Ashley Babbitt. There were three cops standing at the door. But they didn't look at all intimidating and the rioters had already been emboldened by fighting cops outside the capital. Yes rioters. I'm done pussy footing about this. Some of the rioters are seen on video punching the glass right next to the cops. This is the same area where you can see congress walk through just minutes before. The doors were barricaded. These three cops were verbally threatened by members of the crowd, including Ashley Babbitt, who said "We're on your side" and "Other cops have been hurt." Her family is going to get its day in court because her wrongful death case is going to trial so all of this will come out. Before she was shot, the officer that shot her revealed himself and showed his gun. Someone can be heard yelling "He's got a gun!" After that, she climbed through the freaking window! The other thugs had backed away. So you're right. Her dumbass wasn't deterred. And the cop didn't get in any trouble. And four years later, even with multiple videos being showed proving everything I'm saying, much of the "cops need to be able to do their job and vigorously enforce the law" are still butt hurt about that. But that's not even the main point. SWAT was on the way. Had they been in place I guaran-damn-ty you Ashley Babbitt wouldn't have climbed through that window! I guaran-damn-ty you that! And had Ashley pulled out a gun and started shooting she would have been dropped and even fewer people would be complaining about it. (Some still would I'm sure). Now back to the actual topic at hand. We aren't talking about people riding around on dirt bikes or shoplifting or whatever. We're talking about people doing a fvcking hit, getting in their car, and driving away without being chased because there was no cop in the vicinity to give chase. If you can't see the difference between that and someone driving around on a 4-wheeler, causing less mischief than the January 6th rioters by far, and someone doing a gang hit and killing 4 people land wounding 17 others, than there is seriously something wrong with you.
 
jmdrake said:
If you can't see the difference between that and someone driving around on a 4-wheeler, causing less mischief than the January 6th rioters by far, and someone doing a gang hit and killing 4 people land wounding 17 others, than there is seriously something wrong with you.
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Of course I see the difference.

That was never the question, in this particular direction the thread has taken.

My point is that crime or even petty mischief is, in many cases, no longer deterred simply by the presence of cops alone.
 
Anti Federalist said:
Of course I see the difference.

That was never the question, in this particular direction the thread has taken.

My point is that crime or even petty mischief is, in many cases, no longer deterred simply by the presence of cops alone.
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That's been the case for a long time in a lot of communities black, white or otherwise. It was on full display on January 6th, 2021 and Ashley Babbitt crossed the invisible line between "we're not going to do anything but just look at you" and "f-around and find out." Meanwhile Sonya Massey just followed a cop's instruction to take some boiling water off of a stove and then said "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus."
 
jmdrake said:
That's been the case for a long time in a lot of communities black, white or otherwise. It was on full display on January 6th, 2021 and Ashley Babbitt crossed the invisible line between "we're not going to do anything but just look at you" and "f-around and find out." Meanwhile Sonya Massey just followed a cop's instruction to take some boiling water off of a stove and then said "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus."
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Yes, and it was something both of us wanted to happen.
 
jmdrake said:
Before she was shot, the officer that shot her revealed himself and showed his gun. Someone can be heard yelling "He's got a gun!" After that, she climbed through the freaking window! The other thugs had backed away. So you're right. Her dumbass wasn't deterred.
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It seems extremely unlikely to me that she would have heard that, or seen that, from where she was standing.

As you said and we agree, it's a goddamn riot, and riots, are fucking loud.
 
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