Taking things from white people

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/EuropeInvasionn/status/1837369140161515638

 

[CCTelander]

https://x.com/TooWhiteToTweet/status/1837465550500573463

You know who’s REALLY to blame for victim disarmament (gun control)?

Gun owners and liberty advocates.

There are currently well north of 100 MILLION private gun owners in this country. The overwhelming majority of them lean toward the liberty end of the spectrum to one degree or another. They are estimated to own over 400 MILLION firearms, and that is probably a gross underestimate since the stats are based on self-reporting. They also own TRILLIONS of rounds of ammunition.

If just a very small fraction of them would stand up and say “NO MORE! We will no longer comply with ANY of you illegitimate and immoral victim disarmament (gun control) schemes,” and stick together and support each other with the steely resolve to make it stick no matter what it takes, the entire gun control regime would collapse virtually overnight. All they’d have to do is nut up and do the job that most of them volunteered for by voluntarily claiming for themselves the mantle of “liberty advocate.”

But they won’t.

Want to know who to blame?

Look in a mirror.

 

[PAF]

You know who’s REALLY to blame for victim disarmament (gun control)?

Gun owners and liberty advocates.

There are currently well north of 100 MILLION private gun owners in this country. The overwhelming majority of them lean toward the liberty end of the spectrum to one degree or another. They are estimated to own over 400 MILLION firearms, and that is probably a gross underestimate since the stats are based on self-reporting. They also own TRILLIONS of rounds of ammunition.

If just a very small fraction of them would stand up and say “NO MORE! We will no longer comply with ANY of you illegitimate and immoral victim disarmament (gun control) schemes,” and stick together and support each other with the steely resolve to make it stick no matter what it takes, the entire gun control regime would collapse virtually overnight. All they’d have to do is nut up and do the job that most of them volunteered for by voluntarily claiming for themselves the mantle of “liberty advocate.”

But they won’t.

Want to know who to blame?

Look in a mirror.

"You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice" or enough times

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/i/status/1837616844074537172

 

[Anti Federalist]

Mass shooting kills 4 and wounds 17 in nightlife district in Birmingham, Alabama

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1837885052094444019

By KIM CHANDLER

Updated 12:56 PM EDT, September 22, 2024

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — A mass shooting killed four people and wounded 17 others in a popular nightlife area in Birmingham, Alabama, with many of the victims caught in the crossfire, police said Sunday.

Police Chief Scott Thurmond said at a news conference that authorities believe the intended target was among the dead and that the shooting may have been “a hit” conducted in exchange for payment.

Investigators believe the other victims were caught in the crossfire and that there were multiple shooters. More than 100 shell casings were found at the scene.

The shooting happened shortly after 11 p.m. Saturday in Five Points South, a district filled with entertainment venues, restaurants and bars that is often crowded on weekend nights.

Thurmond said multiple suspects pulled up in a vehicle, got out, fired shots, got back in the vehicle and fled.

Police said officers found two men and a woman on a sidewalk with gunshot wounds and they were pronounced dead there.

An additional male gunshot victim was pronounced dead at a hospital, according to police.

By early Sunday, after victims began showing up at hospitals, police had identified 17 people with injuries, some of them life-threatening, Officer Truman Fitzgerald said in an email.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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https://www.instagram.com/hushlounge205/

 

[jmdrake]

The Hush Lounge's instagram page.

https://www.instagram.com/hushlounge205/

Yeah....everything has to be about race for you. And you miss the real story. The shooting was done with Glock switches (pistols) and yet the Mayor wants to talk about an assault weapons ban. But okay.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah....everything has to be about race for you. And you miss the real story. The shooting was done with Glock switches (pistols) and yet the Mayor wants to talk about an assault weapons ban. But okay.

Guns don't kill people and we all know that, so any discussion about "control", whether a "switched" Glock or an M60, is meaningless.

The problem is the people.

You yourself said it: don't want to get shot in a mass shooting?

Don't go to black clubs, bars, gin mills, strip clubs and hookah lounges in bad areas, especially after dark.

We have bars, gin mills, strip clubs, and hookah lounges in NH.

As far as I know there has never once been a mass shooting like that in any of them.

Shootings like this occur in black areas every single weekend all across the country.

Without even looking I'll wager at least ten people got shot or killed just in Chicago last weekend.

Guns are not the problem, NH has the least restrictive gun laws in the nation.

Identifiable and quantifiable groups of people are the problem.

 

[jmdrake]

Guns don't kill people and we all know that, so any discussion about "control", whether a "switched" Glock or an M60, is meaningless.

The problem is the people.

You yourself said it: don't want to get shot in a mass shooting?

Don't go to black clubs, bars, gin mills, strip clubs and hookah lounges in bad areas, especially after dark.

We have bars, gin mills, strip clubs, and hookah lounges in NH.

As far as I know there has never once been a mass shooting like that in any of them.

Shootings like this occur in black areas every single weekend all across the country.

Without even looking I'll wager at least ten people got shot or killed just in Chicago last weekend.

Guns are not the problem, NH has the least restrictive gun laws in the nation.

Identifiable and quantifiable groups of people are the problem.

When there is a mass shooting and the shooter is white....you post a story about black shooters.

When there is a shooting and the race is unknown....you assume the shooter must be black.

When there is a shooting and the race is black....of course you post it.

The last time I heard about a mass shooting at a black church the shooter was white. Same thing with the last time I heard of a mass shooting at a white church. Seems like a pattern.

https://projects.voanews.com/mass-shootings/english/locations/worship.html

People like this guy:

And yes. Black clubs tend to be dangerous because that's where low income people go to "bling" and have fun and there is crime associated with poverty and criminals like nightclubs. I don't go to anybody's nightclub. I will go to anybody's church. (Well...not the church of Satan..but you know what I mean).

Anyhoo...Glock switches are inherently dangerous, inaccurate and unreliable. (I've seen multiple gun tubers point this out. I'm not a gun nut so I'm going to take their word for it.) They're also already illegal federally. For reasons unknown to me, they're trying to pass a separate law specifically for Alabama and the law died for the second time.

https://www.al.com/news/2024/05/how...-switches-revived-a-back-the-blue-debate.html

Alabama seems to be a major hot spot for Glock switchess. At least that's what they say on "the news.' People can easily make them with 3D printers. (You could probably make one with a Dremel if you tried hard enough.) And they're easy to install and remove. (Don't have to open the gun up like you do for an AR15 auto sear).

 

[Anti Federalist]

When there is a mass shooting and the shooter is white....you post a story about black shooters.

When there is a shooting and the race is unknown....you assume the shooter must be black.

When there is a shooting and the race is black....of course you post it.

The last time I heard about a mass shooting at a black church the shooter was white. Same thing with the last time I heard of a mass shooting at a white church. Seems like a pattern.

Yes, there is a pattern: of mass shooters, by any metric you care to use, blacks outnumber whites by at least 5 to one or more. I counted up by checking each news item and proved that using your own source: Gun Violence Archive.

If that's not true, it should be a snap to debunk me.

Post the thousands and thousands of news stories of white mass shooters shooting up bars, gin mills, strip clubs, and hookah lounges.

Given the population difference and assuming that these crime are committed at an even rate, you should be able to inverse that ratio, and post five such stories for every one of mine.

And yes. Black clubs tend to be dangerous because that's where low income people go to "bling" and have fun and there is crime associated with poverty and criminals like nightclubs. I don't go to anybody's nightclub. I will go to anybody's church. (Well...not the church of Satan..but you know what I mean).

Yes, because the people there are different.

Anyhoo...Glock switches are inherently dangerous, inaccurate and unreliable. (I've seen multiple gun tubers point this out. I'm not a gun nut so I'm going to take their word for it.) They're also already illegal federally. For reasons unknown to me, they're trying to pass a separate law specifically for Alabama and the law died for the second time.

I reckon because by passing it at state level, they may be able to bypass court rulings that shot down Trump's bump stock ban. I'm not sure either.

I can understand why an Alabama politician might not want to have their name attached to anything banning anything concerning guns.

Alabama seems to be a major hot spot for Glock switchess. At least that's what they say on "the news.' People can easily make them with 3D printers. (You could probably make one with a Dremel if you tried hard enough.) And they're easy to install and remove. (Don't have to open the gun up like you do for an AR15 auto sear).

Well, I don't know for sure, but it seems like you are making my point, in an oblique way.

Glock "switches" are not an issue up here.

Yet, anyway.

Final note on the guns:

The same effect that makes a bump stock work or a Glock switch work, can be achieved with nothing more than proper finger pressure on the trigger.

 

[TheTexan]

When there is a shooting and the race is unknown....you assume the shooter must be black.

Most of the time he'd be right.

And when the shooter is white, they usually disclose that almost immediately. So if the race is not disclosed, that itself is a hint on its own.

AF didn't make this about race. Everyone else did by demonizing white people and covering up or excusing crimes by black people

 

[acptulsa]

Are on-topic posts allowed in this thread?

 

[jmdrake]

Yes, there is a pattern: of mass shooters, by any metric you care to use, blacks outnumber whites by at least 5 to one or more. I counted up by checking each news item and proved that using your own source: Gun Violence Archive.

For the places I like to go the mass shooters are usually white. (Schools, colleges, churches).

Post the thousands and thousands of news stories of white mass shooters shooting up bars, gin mills, strip clubs, and hookah lounges.

I don't drink or smoke and strippers are too damn expensive unless you do it like All Bundy and tie a string to your money so you can yank it back.

I reckon because by passing it at state level, they may be able to bypass court rulings that shot down Trump's bump stock ban. I'm not sure either.

The bumpstock ban doesn't affect glock switches. Nobody is even arguing those are not machine guns. I thought you were a gun guy?

I can understand why an Alabama politician might not want to have their name attached to anything banning anything concerning guns.

I understand that as well. The odd argument being put forward for the local law is "give the local police more 'tools'" but it seems redundant to me.

Well, I don't know for sure, but it seems like you are making my point, in an oblique way.

Not really. You want to make the world safe for drunkards, smokers and stripper-mongers I guess. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

Glock "switches" are not an issue up here.

Yet, anyway.

Lucky you I guess. I'm not sure why Bama seems to be ground zero for this. I would have thought we'd be behind in anything techy.

Final note on the guns:

The same effect that makes a bump stock work or a Glock switch work, can be achieved with nothing more than proper finger pressure on the trigger.

Yeah....that's not close to a Glock switch. Your video? Mag dump in 5 seconds. Glock switch? Mag dump in 2 seconds. Again, nobody is even debating whether or not a Glock switch fits the current definition of a machinegun.



And for reference here is someone bump firing a Glock.



Here's a video of the inventor of the Glock switch.

Most of the time he'd be right.

And when the shooter is white, they usually disclose that almost immediately. So if the race is not disclosed, that itself is a hint on its own.

AF didn't make this about race. Everyone else did by demonizing white people and covering up or excusing crimes by black people

Not when it comes to places I like to go. (Church, schools etc).

 

[TheTexan]

Not when it comes to places I like to go. (Church, schools etc).

So in other words, places with people who have already been selected (in terms of selection bias) of not being generally violent.

If you're worried about getting mass-shootered in a church, I think you're probably gonna be OK

 

[Anti Federalist]

For the places I like to go the mass shooters are usually white. (Schools, colleges, churches).

And also incredibly rare, statistically speaking. You stand a better chance of getting hit by lightening than being shot by a white mass shooter at school, college or church.

Sadly, the only school related mass shooting ever, in NH, was when a bunch of blacks from Mass. came up and shot up some girl's "quinceañera" party down in Nashua IIRC.

I don't drink or smoke and strippers are too damn expensive unless you do it like All Bundy and tie a string to your money so you can yank it back.

The bumpstock ban doesn't affect glock switches. Nobody is even arguing those are not machine guns. I thought you were a gun guy?

I am. What I am not is a lawyer, I thought that was your line of expertise.

All I'm saying is that the same logic that ATF and Trump used to ban bump stocks, is the same logic that is being used to try to ban Glock "switches".

They both work off the same principle, using the recoil action of the firearm to cycle the action in the same manner you would by pressing the trigger, only much more quickly. That's why under current law, ATF can not ban them because they are not, as you noted, "machine guns" as defined under current law.

Strike that, I was mistaken on its theory of operation. It jams the trigger bar to allow repeated cycling without releasing the trigger.

I thought it used recoil to achieve that on a per shot basis, but it appears that it simply applies a steady force to hold back the trigger bar thus acting just like an auto sear.

That's how ATF can classify it as a part to make a machine gun.

My guess was that AL was maybe trying to work around that at the state level for whatever reason.

I understand that as well. The odd argument being put forward for the local law is "give the local police more 'tools'" but it seems redundant to me

Well, it is...maybe just somebody trying to "do something"?

Not really. You want to make the world safe for drunkards, smokers and stripper-mongers I guess. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

I don't want to see this carnage anywhere.

I'd prefer that people not choose to shoot each other up over stupid shit.

I'd like to see them change their ways.

But more importantly, that carnage and chaos is eventually going to be used by Marxists like Harris and Walz for instance, to strip my rights away.

Yeah....that's not close to a Glock switch. Your video? Mag dump in 5 seconds. Glock switch? Mag dump in 2 seconds. Again, nobody is even debating whether or not a Glock switch fits the current definition of a machinegun.

I timed it.

It took 4.47 seconds to empty a 30 round mag.

That's 6.7 rounds per second.

That's 402 rounds per minute, that is the standard metric for measuring rate of fire.

A full auto AK, built and designed from the factory as such, has a rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute.

Here's a vid of a guy bump firing a Glock.

He empties a thirty round mag in 1.91 seconds.

That's 15 rounds per second, 900 rounds per minute.

The only factory Glock made to fire full auto achieves a rate of around 1200 rounds per minute.

What am I getting at?

That you can achieve almost factory rates of full auto fire from various semi auto weapons simply by using exact finger tension and placement on the trigger.

And the reason for the difference between the Glock's rate of fire and the AK's rate is that one is a short pistol cartridge that can cycle in the weapon much faster than a much longer rifle cartridge.

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[jmdrake]

And also incredibly rare, statistically speaking. You stand a better chance of getting hit by lightening than being shot by a white mass shooter at school, college or church.

Sadly, the only school related mass shooting ever, in NH, was when a bunch of blacks from Mass. came up and shot up some girl's "quinceañera" party down in Nashua IIRC

Ah. So not even a school shooting. A party. Got it. Tragic and terrible. Anyway I've got zero chance of getting shot at a strip club, party, gin joint or whatever else you want to throw around. (I gotta admit. Some of the women on the Instagram were pretty hot. In my 20s that might have been tempting. But I'm old enough to be their grandpa now). And the last strip club shooting in Nashville, where I used to live, was done by a white guy. Bottom line is, for the "I was just minding my own business not doing anything shady and someone just started shooting the place for no damn reason" most of those are white people. And white people started freaking World War 1, World War 2 and are working on World War 3. I grew up in the 70s with most of the world going to bed at night thinking some idiot white person either in the U.S. or Russia was going to end the entire planet for no good reason. And no I wouldn't trust Obama with nukes if it was up to me either despite his "peace prize." Humanity sucks. But most of what you're talking about is driven by poverty induced gang culture. And I already gave the solution when I posted about Tangelo Park Florida. As I recall you didn't like that for reasons I can't even fathom even though the solution was done without any government money.

I am. What I am not is a lawyer, I thought that was your line of expertise.

True. But lawyers have to rely on expert witnesses because we don't know everything.

All I'm saying is that the same logic that ATF and Trump used to ban bump stocks, is the same logic that is being used to try to ban Glock "switches".

They both work off the same principle, using the recoil action of the firearm to cycle the action in the same manner you would by pressing the trigger, only much more quickly. That's why under current law, ATF can not ban them because they are not, as you noted, "machine guns" as defined under current law.

Strike that, I was mistaken on its theory of operation. It jams the trigger bar to allow repeated cycling without releasing the trigger.

I thought it used recoil to achieve that on a per shot basis, but it appears that it simply applies a steady force to hold back the trigger bar thus acting just like an auto sear.

That's how ATF can classify it as a part to make a machine gun.

My guess was that AL was maybe trying to work around that at the state level for whatever reason.

Yep. That's the "logic." The politicians clamoring for this argue that the federal machine gun ban just isn't enough. Alabama actually doesn't have a local machine gun ban period. Nor did it ever have an assault weapons ban. Yet, supposedly, even though people like our gun grabbing mayor laud the federal assault weapons ban as SOOOO effective and even though machine guns are already effectively banned at the federal level for a long time and even though most of these shootings are not being done with the types of weapons covered by the assault weapons ban, our mayor (well...technically I just live NEAR Birmingham so he's not my mayor) wants both a new federal assault weapons ban and a state Glock switch ban. Not a machine gun ban mind you, but specifically a ban on parts to convert regular guns to machine guns. Oh, and he also decries Alabama becoming a permitless carry state because...reasons. "These people can drive around with a gun in the car and the police can't do anything about it." Well...even before permitless carry, the police couldn't do anything about it unless they pulled someone over for some reason and found out that person had a gun. And if that person turns out to be a felon the police can still arrest him because it's still illegal to be a felon carrying a gun.

And here's where I think we agree. The machine gun ban itself is unconstitutional. I get why it was enacted. Back when the whole "tax stamp" scheme came into play you had Bonnie and Clyde and "machine gun Kelly" (the ganster, not the goofy white rapper) gunning people down with machine guns and the "St. Valentine's Day massacre" etc. All of this prohibition era (white on white) gang violence done with machine guns. Those SOBs ruined it for the rest of America. The Ronnie Raygun came along in the wake of the crack wars he helped fuel to fund the Contras, made the machine gun ban even worse based on black on black drug prohibition gang violence. We had a steady decline in murder for decades based on multiple factors including Tookie Williams, Louis Farrakhan and others negotiating a peace between the bloods and the crips, crack falling out of favor as a drug of choice. The statists on the left want to give credit to the assault weapons ban. The statists on the right want to give credit to the racist 1993 Clinton/Gingrich/Biden crime bill and local laws like three strikes and "stop and frisk." The assault weapons ban expired in 2004 but there wasn't an immediate jump in murders. Trump finished off the 1993 crime bill in 2018 and their wasn't an immediate jump in murders. The next drug wave was the opiod crisis that was initially in rural America with people making meth from farm chemicals and from prescription drugs. Despite the hype of the "Breaking Bad" TV show, the original meth crisis didn't cause a huge spike in murders like alchohol prohibition and crack did. But now fentynal is in the inner cities and thug / drug dealers are even lacing weed with fentynal in order to make the weed more addictive. I would say the inner city fentynal crisis combined with the "I'm entitled to destroy my own commuity because of racist cops killing George Floyd" mentality of 2020 is responsible for the current spike. The Glock switches don't help that's for sure. Idiots who have no business with automatic weapons can turn their Glocks into machine guns for $5 worth of 3D print filiment. Nobody should just pick up an automatic weapon without proper training and just start shooting. Or you get results like this.



The latest on the Birmingham shooting you posted is that it was a hit with multiple shooters outside of the club. The intended target was killed with 3 innocent bystanders. And that's tragic. And I wouldn't want anybody to die. But someone with decent training should be able to assasinate someone who's standing in line waiting to get into a club with 1 or 2 bullets. I know this sounds terrible to say. But I wish these thugs were at least better trained so that they only killed their intended targets. But I'm way off the subject now I suppose.

Well, it is...maybe just somebody trying to "do something"?

Yep. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

I don't want to see this carnage anywhere.

I'd prefer that people not choose to shoot each other up over stupid $#@!.

I'd like to see them change their ways.

But more importantly, that carnage and chaos is eventually going to be used by Marxists like Harris and Walz for instance, to strip my rights away.

Sure. I don't want 600,000+ Europeans to kill each other in Ukraine and/or Russia either. Not sure what I can do about it though. Here's the kicker. Harris and Walz love people talking about the inner city mass shootings you keep highlighting, without actually giving a solution, because they're ready in the wings with their own solutions. And they don't mind "conservative" solutions either. And the DNC Joe Biden in another semi coherent moment blamed the 2020 rise in crime on Trump (funny enough even PBS fact checked him on that) and talked about how he and Harris spent more money on police. These were the same people who were embracing the "defund the police" and "reimagine the police" movements. Democrats are behind the "cop city" training facility near Atlanta. And cops killed that non-binary protestor who was living in the woods to block the construction and claimed he shot at them but strangely there is no body camera footage. But conservatives will go along with cop city and stop and frisk and a new version of the racist 1993 crime bill and new gun control will get slipped in their. That happened under Ronald Raygun. It happened with Newt Gingrich. It will eventually happen again. And all because people keep highlighting the problem without highlighting actual solutions. (Again...Tangelo Park Florida).

I timed it.

It took 4.47 seconds to empty a 30 round mag.

That's 6.7 rounds per second.

That's 402 rounds per minute, that is the standard metric for measuring rate of fire.

A full auto AK, built and designed from the factory as such, has a rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute.

Here's a vid of a guy bump firing a Glock.

He empties a thirty round mag in 1.91 seconds.

That's 15 rounds per second, 900 rounds per minute.

The only factory Glock made to fire full auto achieves a rate of around 1200 rounds per minute.

What am I getting at?

That you can achieve almost factory rates of full auto fire from various semi auto weapons simply by using exact finger tension and placement on the trigger.

And the reason for the difference between the Glock's rate of fire and the AK's rate is that one is a short pistol cartridge that can cycle in the weapon much faster than a much longer rifle cartridge.

Okay. Well you're the gun expert. If by some crazy twist of fate I ever find myself in Federal court arguing that auto sear bans should be struck down as a violation of the Second Amendment I'll be sure and contact you as a witness. Meanwhile there's only one law being proposed that would actually stem the tide of the Glock switch problem and that's a ban on guns that can take a Glock switch.

https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05...easy-to-convert-to-illegal-automatic-weapons/

And, of course, that will require people like Whoopie Goldberg to turn in their Glocks. She's so clueless she doesn't know that Glocks are semi-automatic just like AR-15s.

 

[jmdrake]

So in other words, places with people who have already been selected (in terms of selection bias) of not being generally violent.

If you're worried about getting mass-shootered in a church, I think you're probably gonna be OK

And if you're worried at getting shot at the other places I mentioned I just have to ask what are you doing there?

 

[acptulsa]

Okay. Well you're the gun expert.

Meh.

Yes, [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], it is about all that stuff you put between STRIKE and /STRIKE. Both semi-auto and full-auto tap a fraction of the force accelerating the bit of lead to cycle a fresh round into the chamber. Double action revolvers are the only firearms I'm aware of that use the finger force on the trigger for anything other than shoving the firing pin up the bullet's ass, while full auto weapons find a way to use recoil energy to do all of that.

When it comes to mechanical things, follow the energy. Without energy, every machine is just a fancy brick.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Meh.

Yes, [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], it is about all that stuff you put between STRIKE and /STRIKE. Both semi-auto and full-auto tap a fraction of the force accelerating the bit of lead to cycle a fresh round into the chamber. Double action revolvers are the only firearms I'm aware of that use the finger force on the trigger for anything other than shoving the firing pin up the bullet's ass, while full auto weapons find a way to use recoil energy to do all of that.

When it comes to mechanical things, follow the energy. Without energy, every machine is just a fancy brick.

Well, sure, but that was not the discussion taking place.

The questions were, as I understood it, are bump stocks and Glock switches similar items, and why is one banned and the other not, and why is AL trying to "double ban" them, if already banned by the feds?

I thought they were, and it turned out I was wrong, while a bump stock or "Hell Fire" device works on a closed sear system to simply cycle the action and trigger pulls faster than what you normally could, a Glock switch does not. It mechanically lifts the trigger bar and holds it up and out of the way so that the weapon fires in a true full auto fashion, i.e. it fires continuously as long as you depress the trigger.

Which is, of course the ATF's definition of a "machine gun". And that is the only distinction between a semi and full auto on the books.