Taking things from white people

https://twitter.com/FrankDeScushin/status/1788211226821947513
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Well, at least his name isn't Michael Attenborough.

Meanwhile, at the intersection of "white privilege" and "Mike privilege":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/05/shark-week-diversity-study/ [archive link: https://archive.ph/2yDLN]
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This is a racist ass thread. (start)

And one of the weaknesses of people is we go around putting people in groups and assigning collective blame and collective value to people based on group membership.

It's time for that to stop....at least here.

So why did you take issue with me saying this:

In the meantime, you have options to shut me up, if you feel so strongly about this.

Petition the mods to ban me, or delete this thread or both.

A reasonable person, based on what you said, would think that at the very least you would want this thread deleted.

Or put in the basement, where time has aged those subjects like fine wine.
 
I never said you did...stop complaining about words I supposedly put in your mouth and pay attention to what I actually said:

You said that I could. I'm pointing out that I never have. That's just simply not how I roll....as in ever. I feel that point was worth reiterating based on the context. You are free to feel differently.


You then said:



People who claim to speak for you say that.

My point about "erasing history" wasn't about you getting banned or the thread being deleted. It was about you saying renaming the Francis Scott Key Bridge, something again I've never advocating, is somehow "erasing history." I don't know who you think speaks for me, but the only people I've heard use the term with regards to the removal of statues ARE PEOPLE ON YOUR SIDE OF THAT DEBATE! And it's a stupid argument. On the on had you complain that blacks won't "forget" about slavery and they you claim that those who want to take down confederate statues are trying to "erase history?" You realize those are contradictory positions right? And as I already pointed out, the act of taking down the statues of Lenin and Stalin and Saddam Hussein does not "erase" the history of those men! History is recorded in history books and on film and in magazines and now online. You know who's trying to keep actual history out of history books? YOUR SIDE!

A white Florida parent had the film "Ruby Bridges" temporarily pulled because she thought it somehow taught hatred against white people.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...ly-bars-ruby-bridges-film-parents-c-rcna76924

Ruby Bridges is the true story about a little black girl who integrated a previously all white school in a New Orleans elementary school. Take 3 minutes and 45 seconds and explain to me why you or anyone who "speaks for you" is frightened by this little black girl.

 
So why did you take issue with me saying this:



A reasonable person, based on what you said, would think that at the very least you would want this thread deleted.

Or put in the basement, where time has aged those subjects like fine wine.

i LIVED in Hot Topics back when 9/11 truth was verboden. And the theory at the time was 9/11 Truth distracted from the mission of this forum, was divisive and tarnished the reputation of Dr. Paul. I argued back then, and I still argue today, that I've NEVER personally run into ANYONE who said they wouldn't vote for Ron Paul because they thought he was a 9/11 truther and/or was supported by truthers. I've run into multiple people who won't support Ron or Rand Paul because they believe they are racists and/or are supported by racists. The other issue was H/T doesn't get pulled up on search engines like the main forums do. For those reasons I do believe threads like this belong in H/T. 9/11 truth? Not so much when you even have Tucker Carlson dipping his toes into 9/11 truth and other conspiracy theories. But I don't think you should be banned or this or any other thread you've created be deleted.
 
i LIVED in Hot Topics back when 9/11 truth was verboden. And the theory at the time was 9/11 Truth distracted from the mission of this forum, was divisive and tarnished the reputation of Dr. Paul. I argued back then, and I still argue today, that I've NEVER personally run into ANYONE who said they wouldn't vote for Ron Paul because they thought he was a 9/11 truther and/or was supported by truthers. I've run into multiple people who won't support Ron or Rand Paul because they believe they are racists and/or are supported by racists. The other issue was H/T doesn't get pulled up on search engines like the main forums do. For those reasons I do believe threads like this belong in H/T. 9/11 truth? Not so much when you even have Tucker Carlson dipping his toes into 9/11 truth and other conspiracy theories. But I don't think you should be banned or this or any other thread you've created be deleted.

I'm glad to hear that.
 
Ruby Bridges is the true story about a little black girl who integrated a previously all white school in a New Orleans elementary school. Take 3 minutes and 45 seconds and explain to me why you or anyone who "speaks for you" is frightened by this little black girl.

Frightened is not the word.

Aware is the word.

She was the spearhead of a movement that integrated a formally segregated, relatively prosperous community of both black and white.

70 years later and the result is that neighborhood is now a very dangerous neighborhood, in an already exceedingly dangerous city.

The school she de-segregated is now called Akili Academy of New Orleans, a public charter school that spends $17000 per pupil.

At Akili Academy of New Orleans, 4% of students scored at or above the proficient level for math, and 17% scored at or above that level for reading.

The school’s minority student enrollment is 99%.


That is what that little girl represented.
 
Frightened is not the word.

Aware is the word.

She was the spearhead of a movement that integrated a formally segregated, relatively prosperous community of both black and white.

70 years later and the result is that neighborhood is now a very dangerous neighborhood, in an already exceedingly dangerous city.

The school she de-segregated is now called Akili Academy of New Orleans, a public charter school that spends $17000 per pupil.

At Akili Academy of New Orleans, 4% of students scored at or above the proficient level for math, and 17% scored at or above that level for reading.

The school’s minority student enrollment is 99%.


That is what that little girl represented.

Okay. So do you think her story should be erased from history? Yes or no?
 
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ten-but-she-had-no-bruises&highlight=onlyfans

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This case has been going on since 2022. She claimed self defense but she didn't have any injuries consistent with her story. However more recent video shows her beating on him and him only trying to hold her back and defend himself.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ed-murder-boyfriends-fatal-stabbing-rcna42575

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/...l-accused-of-killing-boyfriend-are-troubling/

And surprisingly the media hasn't made a race issue out of this even though this is a case of a white woman physically abusing and then murdering a black man.

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An OnlyFans model who fatally stabbed her boyfriend in Miami was arrested in Hawaii and is expected to be extradited on a charge of second-degree murder, authorities said.

Courtney Clenney, 26, was charged with second-degree murder with a deadly weapon in the April 3 stabbing of her boyfriend, Christian “Toby” Obumseli, the state attorney for Miami-Dade County, Katherine Fernandez Rundle, announced Thursday.

Rundle described the couple's relationship, which began in November 2020, as "extremely tempestuous and combative." She said the building management where Clenney and Obumseli lived documented multiple instances of loud arguments and was ready to evict the couple before Obumseli's death.

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Clenney had kicked Obumseli out of their apartment in the last week of March, but the couple seemingly reconciled two days before his death.

Investigators believe Obumseli was stabbed between 4:33 p.m. and 4:57 p.m. on April 3, Rundle said. Key fob records show him leaving the apartment shortly after 1 p.m. and returning to the building at 4:32 p.m.

Shortly after, neighbors began calling building security reporting a disturbance in their apartment, and security called police at about 4:46 p.m., Rundle said.

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Police found that Clenney made two calls to her mother during that time frame before she called 911 herself at 4:57 p.m. requesting help for Obumseli.

"On that 911 call Christian can be heard in the background. We repeatedly say that he was saying and he was losing feeling and his arm," Rundle said. "Defendant Clenney is also heard saying, 'I'm so sorry.'"


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In a statement to police, Clenney's mother said she heard her daughter yelling at Obumseli to leave the apartment while she was on the phone with her.

Clenney told police that after an argument, Obumseli grabbed her by the throat and shoved her against a wall.

"Then she says he threw her to the ground but allowed her to get up," Rundle said, recounting Clenney's interview. "And it was at that point that Clenney went to a kitchen area and got the knife as Christian sort of approached her. She threw the knife at him from a distance that she's estimated to be about 10 feet."

A medical examiner's report found that Obumseli's stab wound occurred from a "forceful downward thrust." Rundle said the chief medical examiner disagreed that a throw from that distance could have caused the fatal stab wound.

"The police observed no visible injuries, which would have corroborated her account," Rundle said.

Clenney was taken into custody Wednesday by the Hawai'i Police Department while she was in rehabilitation for substance abuse and post-traumatic stress disorder, said her lawyer, Frank Prieto, confirming comments first reported by The Miami Herald.

She was being held at the East Hawai’i Detention Center and was expected to make a first appearance in local district court Thursday, the department said. Rundle said Clenney's attorney indicated she will not contest her extradition to Florida.

In a statement, Prieto, who has previously described the couple's relationship as "clearly toxic," said he was “completely shocked” at Clenney's arrest because of “the clear evidence of self-defense in this matter.”

“Obumseli attacked her and choked her that evening,” he said. “Courtney had no choice but to meet force with force.”

Rundle accused Clenney of being the aggressor in the couple's tumultuous relationship.

Rundle showed an elevator video from February, a month after the couple moved into their apartment, in which Clenney appears to initiate a physical assault on Obumseli during an argument. It's unclear what happened before the couple began walking into the elevator.

"You will draw your own conclusion, but it certainly appears that the defendant was aggressively attacking Christian," Rundle said.

Larry Handfield, a lawyer representing Obumseli’s family, said the announcement of a charge against Clenney were a relief to the family. He also accused Clenney of having a "history of being the aggressor" throughout the couple's relationship.

"What you saw in the elevator was just an isolated glimpse of a pattern of conduct that was demonstrated by the defendant in this case," Handfield said.

A cousin of Obumseli’s has previously said the family has "no cause to believe that this was a case of self-defense," adding: "Toby was raised by a very strong family, with strong morals, strong values. He does not come from that."

Clenney appeared on OnlyFans under the name Courtney Tailor and has 2 million followers on Instagram.​
 
And surprisingly the media hasn't made a race issue out of this even though this is a case of a white woman physically abusing and then murdering a black man.

I think you and I both fall below female, of any color, on the grievance pyramid.

That said, if guilty, throw away the key.

I have no issue with that and am not going to throw up some lame defense as to why.

Murder plain and simple and then tried to play the innocent woman defense.

That is a particularly caustic crime, because we all know, females are not violent or raise their hands or weapons at men. :rolleyes:
 
I'd be delighted to be the only white guy in a country full of Thomas Sowells.

https://twitter.com/jeremykauffman/status/1787473441110581493
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I concur.
But show me where one has ever existed in real history.
Wakanda is fictional.
Nearly homogeneous white America and lots of other homogeneous countries of European Christendom descent were real.

You know what I won't do if I wake up in another reality where Sowellland exists and I live there? try to force them to bring in more whites and other foreigners to reduce the majority or make an issue of my race with or without any historical grievances related to my race.
 
On the issue of crime, fine, rebut my comments.

Prove me wrong.

By my reckoning, there were 6 mass shootings just this past weekend in black communities.

Whites are over three times the population of blacks.

So, let's make it easy and just say show me 12 mass shootings by whites that occurred over last weekend.
It doesn't matter whether it is cultural or genetic when the people concerned associate themselves and share their culture based on their genetics.
 
I've never petitioned the mods to ban anyone. More dishonest vitriol and attacks from you and your arguing through projection You implied that I somehow was trying to "erase your history" and I'm not going to let you walk away from your bullshyt by you claiming that I am somehow attacking you. I can abide anything but dishonesty. I'll take an honest racist over a dishonest person who isn't. And "my people" started this "war?" How exactly? We forced "your people" to do the trans Atlantic slave trade? We forced "your people" to do ethnic cleansing of prosperous black communities inside the United States after slavery was over? Hell, I didn't even start this thread. I don't make it a point to continually talk about race relations in this country. You are the one doing that shyt! On the one hand you're like "Black people should stop talking about about race" and they you create a thread specifically to talk about race and you don't see how counterproductive that is to your own stated goals? Seriously? And then you can't actually deal with real facts that go against your narrative like the fact that whites disproportionately benefited from the New Deal! Not "they were 90% so they got 90% of the benefit but racism, yes that actually exists, prevented blacks who qualified for things like the G.I. Bill from fully participating in it. So capitalist blacks who went off to war to defend Europe from racist ass national socialists white people[/b] came back to America and tried, like their white counterparts, to get the same government backed G.I. Bill loans their white counterparts were getting and couldn't get it because they had to deal with racist banks. Those are facts that any honest history, liberal or conservative, will tell you. You yourself admitted the racist damage to black communities caused by government tyranny in the form of Robert Moses using urban renewal to split up communities! And yet, for some illogical reason, you want to blame the communities for the effect caused by Robert Moses? You're not even close to being intellectually consistent. No, I don't have to have you "banned" or the thread "deleted" or whatever. I can use your own words to show how full of crap you are on this issue. You're great on everything else. But on this issue your own words destroy your own argument.

/rant

One more thing. Racist immigration policy against the Chinese led to the creation of the Mexican drug cartels.



Unintended consequences of stupidity. And why were these Chinese immigrants leaving China in the first place? Could the opium wars where the U.S. and Britain forced China to accept more imports of a drug that was fvcking up the Chinese population have anything to do with that?



So who actually created this "war" you speak of? Not my people. Not the "Marxists" either.


Nothing could be more irrelevant to the current state of affairs in China and the US than a 200+ year old war that started with a trade dispute between a Chinese empire that no longer exists and the British empire.

What is relevant is that the entire worldwide left and the globalist establishment is deliberately destroying historically white countries and cultures and making it about race so that nonwhites will assist in the destruction like the scorpion on the frog's back.

Digging up cherry picked historical grievances while using a broad racial brush is one of their favorite tools in this racial war they are waging.
The war is recent, it's not part of some eternal racial struggle.
The grievances of the past were not part of a war, they were part of the imperfect human condition.
This global war on whites which admits to wanting to exterminate them globally and destroy everything they built is an extreme rarity in history, exposing it and calling on people of all races to oppose it is NOT racist.
What is racist is identifying with the people waging the war and opposing those trying to defend against it.

You expect us to condemn people in our historical, cultural, and racial groups for the past grievances, and we do when the grievances are real.
So, how about you condemn the people tangentially associated with you who are waging this racist war instead of condemning us for defending ourselves from the racially motivated war against us?
 
Nothing could be more irrelevant to the current state of affairs in China and the US than a 200+ year old war that started with a trade dispute between a Chinese empire that no longer exists and the British empire.

What is relevant is that the entire worldwide left and the globalist establishment is deliberately destroying historically white countries and cultures and making it about race so that nonwhites will assist in the destruction like the scorpion on the frog's back.

Digging up cherry picked historical grievances while using a broad racial brush is one of their favorite tools in this racial war they are waging.
The war is recent, it's not part of some eternal racial struggle.
The grievances of the past were not part of a war, they were part of the imperfect human condition.
This global war on whites which admits to wanting to exterminate them globally and destroy everything they built is an extreme rarity in history, exposing it and calling on people of all races to oppose it is NOT racist.
What is racist is identifying with the people waging the war and opposing those trying to defend against it.

You expect us to condemn people in our historical, cultural, and racial groups for the past grievances, and we do when the grievances are real.
So, how about you condemn the people tangentially associated with you who are waging this racist war instead of condemning us for defending ourselves from the racially motivated war against us?

I'm not asking you to condemn anything. I'm not the one who started this thread. I'm giving context. And the historical truth is that racist and imperialist policies lead directly to the fentanyl crisis we have today. Note that as usual you don't have an facts to support your position, just your typical irrelevant blathering where you ignore what is inconvenient and cherry pick and hyperventilate on what's not relevant. The U.S. empire aided the British empire in its opium war. And the when the Chinese immigrants, refugees from that war, came to the U.S. to help build the railroads the U.S. didn't allow them to settle. So they took the opium war south of the border and we're still suffering from that today. A lot more happened after that true. Like the racist CIA bringing in crack in the 1980s to th inner cities.

Edit: And it's laughable to assume that the British Empire is somehow irrelevant when the mess that is the Middle East is a direct result of the Balfour Declaration combined with the British convincing the U.S. to overthrow Mossadeh in Iran.
 
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No, not at all, just the opposite.

I think it is a stunning example of a cautionary tale.

As long as the whole story is told.

Really? It's funny that you ignore all of the actual factors that led to the decline of New Orleans and think "It must be Ruby Bridges fault." In 2024 you'd be scared of this young lady coming to your child's school for....reasons.

https://www.al.com/news/2022/07/im-...t-says-shes-headed-to-uab-medical-school.html

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‘I’m proof you can’: Black 13-year-old college student says she’s headed to UAB medical school
Updated: Jul. 11, 2022, 8:25 p.m.|Published: Jul. 11, 2022, 8:23 p.m.
Alena Wicker

By Howard Koplowitz | [email protected]
She’s been called the Black Bill Gates.

Now, Alena Analeigh Wicker has become a real-life, Black Doogie Howser.

The 13-year-old college junior has been accepted to UAB’s Heersink School of Medicine under its Burroughs Wellcome Scholars Early Assurance Program in May, the teen posted on social media.


“I graduated High school LAST YEAR at 12 years old and here I am one year later I’ve been accepted into Med School at 13,” Alena posted on her Instagram page, where she has more than 16,000 followers under the moniker thebrownstemgirl.

“I’m a junior in college. Statistics would have said I never would have made it. A little black girl adopted from Fontana, California. I’ve worked so hard to reach my goals and live my dreams. Mama, I made it.”

Alena, who enjoys building robots and Legos, is enrolled at Arizona State University, where she is pursuing an engineering degree.

The teen previously dreamed of building robots for NASA but later turned her focus to medical school.

“It actually took one class in engineering, for me to say this is kind of not where I wanted to go,” she told 12 News. ”I think viral immunology really came from my passion for volunteering and going out there engaging with the world.”

She also runs The Brown STEM Girl, a scholarship program aimed at inspiring young Black girls to pursue STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) careers.

“I’m so blessed and grateful for the blessings God keeps sending my way. This journey wasn’t easy but it’s definitely been worth it!,” Alena wrote on Instagram. “I’m creating a platform for every little girl of color that has a passion for STEM AND EVERY GIRL that was ever told she couldn’t. I’m proof you can!”
 
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And just because there are white AntiFa doesn't change how many AntiFa and BLM are not white.

:rolleyes:

https://experts.nebraska.edu/en/pub...ndividual-level-diversity-among-anti-fascists

Come one, come all: individual-level diversity among anti-fascists


The present study examined the individual differences of radical anti-fascist sympathizers who were federally charged for crimes committed in Portland, Oregon, between May and October of 2020. Anti-fascist sympathizers were also compared to other types of individual extremists on demographics (age, gender, and ethnicity). The anti-fascist sympathizers examined in this study were on average 28 years old, male, and white. The most frequent federal charges were assault on a federal officer, failure to obey a lawful order, and civil disorder. Using Bruce Hoffman’s criteria for defining terrorism, these data show that this sample of radical anti-fascists’ targeting and tactics do indeed warrant examination from terrorist scholars. Given that radical anti-fascist sympathizers have waged a sustained campaign of prolonged violence, more research is needed on the antecedents to their joining such movements and the efficacy of policy recommendations to diffuse them.

And these groups are historically European going back to the 1920s.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/ar...7C/seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-antifa
1. How long have Antifa been around?
Some Antifa groups date the origins of their movement to fights against European fascists in the 1920s and 1930s. Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, says the modern American Antifa movement began in the 1980s with a group called Anti-Racist Action. Its members confronted neo-Nazi skinheads at punk gigs in the American Midwest and elsewhere. By the early 2000s the Antifa movement was mostly dormant - until the rise of Donald Trump and the alt-right.​
 
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