***SUPER BROCHURE PROJECT Idaho***

[sailingaway]

I'm sure they oppose the concept too. Any form of marketing training will teach them that the superbrochures are failing in every department.

Ron should slap some sense into Nystrom like he used to.

I'm sure Michael is doing what he thinks is best, the idea that he would hurt the campaign for a profit motive is untenable.

However, the campaign can't 'coordinate' on something like this, which is why they only forbade them to volunteers working directly for them, presumably.

 

[LibertyEagle]

there were no super brochures in Maine. There were no superbrochures that I am aware of in Minnesota.

I think we should leave direct mail to the campaign.

That is not as a mod, that is my personal opinion.

I am very impressed with the business organization and the delivery; and if it just said something unobjectionable like he would balance the budget in three years without cutting social security, medicare or veteran's benefits, and details his cuts to do so, while Romney only cuts INCREASES in spending and still cuts medicare.... I'd be fine with it. But I just saw another interview yesterday where someone rejected him because 'getting rid of the IRS is crazy' and it does not explain that is a philosophical goal to work towards, not something he would do walking in the door. Walking in the door he has a very specific plan and that is what needs to be out there, imho.

One of the problems is that Ron Paul needs to present that viewpoint too.

 

[sailingaway]

One of the problems is that Ron Paul needs to present that viewpoint too.

I am aware of that, but it doesn't help to bolster the mistake.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I am aware of that, but it doesn't help to bolster the mistake.

True.

I have posted several times before that if anyone here has specific text that they think will work better in the brochure, ANYWHERE in the brochure, that Curt and Eric have asked that you tell them.

Again, I still do not think these brochures should be mass-mailed; especially to Republicans. But, as long as they are, if anyone takes exception with certain words or sentences in the brochure, come up with something better and at least tell them. They seem to be very open to such things.

 

[justatrey]

No comment on the effectiveness of these, because I don't pretend to know. But when the campaign is practically begging us for money after saying they needed 5 million out of this money bomb and now trying desperately to get to just 2, I think we need to be smart about what we do with our money right now.

 

[opinionatedfool]

True.

I have posted several times before that if anyone here has specific text that they think will work better in the brochure, ANYWHERE in the brochure, that Curt and Eric have asked that you tell them.

Again, I still do not think these brochures should be mass-mailed; especially to Republicans. But, as long as they are, if anyone takes exception with certain words or sentences in the brochure, come up with something better and at least tell them. They seem to be very open to such things.

I gave them several suggestions for the SC one and I didn't see any of it implemented. But what do I know? I just have a strong background in marketing.

 

[sailingaway]

True.

I have posted several times before that if anyone here has specific text that they think will work better in the brochure, ANYWHERE in the brochure, that Curt and Eric have asked that you tell them.

Again, I still do not think these brochures should be mass-mailed; especially to Republicans. But, as long as they are, if anyone takes exception with certain words or sentences in the brochure, come up with something better and at least tell them. They seem to be very open to such things.

I think they should delete ending the income tax and IRS, and delete the gold standard, and delete ending the Federal Reserve. those are areas where thinking people know it cannot be done immediately, and where Ron has programs leading to it that are too complex to be read by those for whom that one issue is not their top issue. And if these issues WERE their top issues, they would already be Ron Paul supporters because the media happily spreads this information, along with 'drug legalization' with a heavy hand, to make him look nuts. How do I pass this on to Curt and Eric?

 

[po14015]

All Poll Numbers from RealClearPolitics.com where they have all major polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...owa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html

IA:

Dec 1 (no brochures): 11%
Dec 14 (half of the mailings received): 16.4%
Dec 24 (the rest of the mailings received): 23.8%

After Christmas, two things hurt Ron Paul in IA. He was attacked on marriage and on the newsletters. The marriage issue was heavily funded. From people I have spoken with, it was very effective.

SC:

Jan 1 (a few mailings): 8.6%
Jan 15 (all the mailings): 15%

South Carolina had little campaign activity.

South Carolina is the State that had the largest increase in support with a whooping 6 times the increase from 2008.
(16,155 votes in 2008 vs 78,362 votes in 2012)

ME:

Washington County was mailed the Super Brochure:
Paul 163 votes
Romney 80 votes
Rick Santorum 57 votes
Newt Gingrich 4 votes

In Liberty,

Curt

 

[sailingaway]

All Poll Numbers from RealClearPolitics.com where they have all major polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...owa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html

IA:

Dec 1 (no brochures): 11%
Dec 14 (half of the mailings received): 16.4%
Dec 24 (the rest of the mailings received): 23.8%

After Christmas, two things hurt Ron Paul in IA. He was attacked on marriage and on the newsletters. The marriage issue was heavily funded. From people I have spoken with, it was very effective.

SC:

Jan 1 (a few mailings): 8.6%
Jan 15 (all the mailings): 15%

South Carolina had little campaign activity.

South Carolina is the State that had the largest increase in support with a whooping 6 times the increase from 2008.
(16,155 votes in 2008 vs 78,362 votes in 2012)

ME:

Washington County was mailed the Super Brochure:
Paul 163 votes
Romney 80 votes
Rick Santorum 57 votes
Newt Gingrich 4 votes

In Liberty,

Curt

A LOT of other things were happening in those same time periods, for example, millions in TV ads. On the ground information by canvasers indicated there were real problems with 'ordinary gop' of the 'soft support' variety over these. I don't know if it is a net positive or negative but I do know the issues I mention in my post above are OFTEN cited as reasons to not even consider Ron.

Also note the popularity in Maine, where there weren't any, prior to Washington County. They thought they had more support in Washington county, you can't say if the superbrochures grew that or stopped it. I'm not trying to be insulting, I really see problems with some of the items in the brochure, and have OFTEN had them raised to me as 'crazy' by people I was trying to convert. It is one thing to try to educate a single person you have a discussion with, but right before an election you can't count on deep education, and the brochures don

All results are correlative, not causative unless you can pin opinion to what caused it. The campaign did do massive amounts of phone poling asking top issues, etc.

 

[walt]

I think history will eventually find it more than a bit ironic that a group of people want to micromanage citizens who what to do something to communicate with actual potential voters.

Freedom? Liberty? More like hypocrisy.

 

[ZakCarter]

The free market works - Want to knock a competitor out of business? Come up with something better at a cheaper price.

Just waving protest signs doesn't accomplish much.

Come up with something better!

 

[MelissaWV]

The free market works - Want to knock a competitor out of business? Come up with something better at a cheaper price.

Just waving protest signs doesn't accomplish much.

Except you are looking at it in a vacuum.

The "product" here is Ron Paul. The brochure is being tossed at people via direct mail. A competing brochure, also tossed at people via direct mail, and another, and some phone from home, and maybe some bad personal contact with RP supporters... and you really WILL see people favoring the competing products (Romney & Santorum & Obama).

 

[po14015]

sailingaway:

I understand your statement and respect what you are saying. Showing the poll numbers, mailings windows, and actual votes is better than insults and attacks. It is hard to know exactly why these numbers moved, and it is the reason I do not use these numbers to promote "Look what the Super Brochure did". The grassroots and the Official Campaign do many things that contribute to the expansion of the Liberty movement.

I encourage you like everyone else that I am only a phone call away:

941-962-7660

In Liberty,

Curt

 

[Lucille]

I think history will eventually find it more than a bit ironic that a group of people want to micromanage citizens who what to do something to communicate with actual potential voters.

Freedom? Liberty? More like hypocrisy.

It's not ironic or hypocritical at all. How many times does it have to be repeated that those things are harming the campaign? If the SB dumbasses want to communicate with actual potential voters, they can use the materials the campaign provides, phone from home, knock on doors, and/or GOTV on election days.

Or they could keep driving voters away with unprofessional brochures to make a quick buck, and pretend like they know better than the campaign, which they're obviously gonna do.

 

[ZakCarter]

I'm thinking more along the line of targeted grassroots radio ads..

 

[opinionatedfool]

I think they should delete ending the income tax and IRS, and delete the gold standard, and delete ending the Federal Reserve. those are areas where thinking people know it cannot be done immediately, and where Ron has programs leading to it that are too complex to be read by those for whom that one issue is not their top issue. And if these issues WERE their top issues, they would already be Ron Paul supporters because the media happily spreads this information, along with 'drug legalization' with a heavy hand, to make him look nuts. How do I pass this on to Curt and Eric?

If they are going to do anything it should a simple postcard telling people what day the election is and where to find their election location. Www.ronpaul2012.com can be used as a more info link. The ron paul contents could be a simple graphic that shows him compared to others on important issues.you could include a qr code for the endorse liberty video and its done!

 

[bluesc]

ME:

Washington County was mailed the Super Brochure:
Paul 163 votes
Romney 80 votes
Rick Santorum 57 votes
Newt Gingrich 4 votes

In Liberty,

Curt

DO NOT take credit for Washington county. That took an extensive GOTV effort on the part of the campaign. They organized like crazy and a lot of people put in a lot of work. It's pretty insulting for you to make the claim that the superbrochures that did nothing to help elsewhere suddenly helped take the win in that county.

 

[opinionatedfool]

ME:

Washington County was mailed the Super Brochure:
Paul 163 votes
Romney 80 votes
Rick Santorum 57 votes
Newt Gingrich 4 votes

In Liberty,

Curt

Turnout did seem rather low considering the attention the county was getting from people all around the country. Something to think about.

 

[WD-NY]

True.

I have posted several times before that if anyone here has specific text that they think will work better in the brochure, ANYWHERE in the brochure, that Curt and Eric have asked that you tell them.

Again, I still do not think these brochures should be mass-mailed; especially to Republicans. But, as long as they are, if anyone takes exception with certain words or sentences in the brochure, come up with something better and at least tell them. They seem to be very open to such things.

I'm sorry but this is bullshit. The super brochure scamsters haven't changed/updated/improved ANYTHING from what I can tell. If they have, I challenge you (or anyone else) to list the changes here.

 

[GraspingForPeace]

A LOT of other things were happening in those same time periods, for example, millions in TV ads. On the ground information by canvasers indicated there were real problems with 'ordinary gop' of the 'soft support' variety over these. I don't know if it is a net positive or negative but I do know the issues I mention in my post above are OFTEN cited as reasons to not even consider Ron.

Also note the popularity in Maine, where there weren't any, prior to Washington County. They thought they had more support in Washington county, you can't say if the superbrochures grew that or stopped it. I'm not trying to be insulting, I really see problems with some of the items in the brochure, and have OFTEN had them raised to me as 'crazy' by people I was trying to convert. It is one thing to try to educate a single person you have a discussion with, but right before an election you can't count on deep education, and the brochures don

All results are correlative, not causative unless you can pin opinion to what caused it. The campaign did do massive amounts of phone poling asking top issues, etc.

Thank you for addressing that.