Student suspended after refusing to step on Jesus

[jmdrake]

And for anyone interested in what SDAs actually believe, here are other writings from Ellen White about the divinity of Christ.

Chapter 1—Deity and Nature of Christ

Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was One with the eternal Father,—one in nature, in character, in purpose,—the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. “His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). His “goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting” (Micah 5:2).—Patriarchs and Prophets, 34.

The Jews had never before heard such words from human lips, and a convicting influence attended them; for it seemed that divinity flashed through humanity as Jesus said, “I and My Father are One.” The words of Christ were full of deep meaning as He put forth the claim that He and the Father were of one substance, possessing the same attributes.—The Signs of the Times, November 27, 1893, p. 54.

Yet the Son of God was the acknowledged Sovereign of heaven, one in power and authority with the Father.—The Great Controversy, 495.

To save the transgressor of God’s law, Christ, the One equal with the Father, came to live heaven before men, that they might learn to know what it is to have heaven in the heart. He illustrated what man must be to be worthy of the precious boon of the life that measures with the life of God.—Fundamentals of Christian Education, 179.

The only way in which the fallen race could be restored was through the gift of His Son, equal with himself, possessing the attributes of God. Though so highly exalted, Christ consented to assume human nature, that He might work in behalf of man and reconcile to God His disloyal subject. When man rebelled, Christ

Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.—The Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899.

Life, Original, Unborrowed, Underived—Jesus declared, “I am the resurrection, and the life.” In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. “He that hath the Son hath life.” The divinity of Christ is the believer’s assurance of eternal life.—The Desire of Ages, 530 (1898).

With the Father at Sinai—When they [Israel] came to Sinai, He took occasion to refresh their minds in regard to His requirements. Christ and the Father, standing side by side upon the mount, with solemn majesty proclaimed the Ten Commandments.—Historical Sketches, p. 231. (1866).

The Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity—The eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit—arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, ... would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin.—Manuscript 145, 1901.

Personality of the Holy Spirit—We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.—Manuscript 66, 1899 (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.).

The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God....

 

[jmdrake]

What does Jesus living to make intercession for the saints have to do with investigative judgement? Investigative judgement is Jesus investigating your WORKS to see if you merit His atonement. There is no way around what Ellen G. White taught. You are not a Christian until you reject that belief and embrace the Jesus of the Bible who has fully atoned for the sins of His people.

You said, and this is as direct quote: But SDA will never be a Christian church until it ceases to believe in the investigative judgement, which denies the atonement of Jesus Christ. Jesus made atonement for sins and SAT DOWN at the right hand of the Father as the book of Hebrews says. His work of atonement is finished forever.

The Bible does not teach that Jesus just "sat down" and quit His work of atoning after the cross. The SDA belief of the investigative judgement is about Christ's continuing work, not ours. Our "work" is to remain under the blood. It's just like the blood that was applied to the doorposts at the Passover. The angel didn't apply the blood to the doorposts for anyone. And everyone had the same opportunity to be saved or lost, Israelite or Egyptian. It didn't matter how "good" you were. All that mattered was that you were in a home covered by the blood. When Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, it didn't matter how "good" the stricken person was. All that mattered is that he looked up and lived or if he refused to look up and died. You have a view of salvation that sets you outside of mainstream Christianity. It's a view that God creates some for salvation and some for kindling including babies. If anyone disagrees with that view, you believe that person is either a "universalist" and thinks everyone will ultimately be saved, or is teaching "salvation by works" because to you even accepting the free gift of God's grace is somehow a "work". You think that all people who believe that salvation is available to everyone are not Christians. You, just like a bully, choose to pick on certain groups you feel are "unpopular", lest the truth of your own unpopular belief be revealed. If you want to believe that all Christians who believe Christ's death was for all mankind are "non Christians", fine. Just be honest about your belief. Your attack on SDAs as teaching "salvation by works" has nothing to do with you misunderstanding of the investigative judgement, and everything to do with your rejection of the truth most Christians accept that everyone can be saved even though many will be lost.

 

[Polomy]

There's virtually no similarities between the Jewish YHVH, the Christian Trinity and the Islamic Al-Ilah.

YHVH has no physical form, the Christian Trinity has three persons, and Al-Ilah is a Unitarian model of god that however is depicted as having human body parts. (You will know that Allah has come when he uncovers his shin)

Not to mention the obvious differences in what their gods intend for humanity.

You do realize that you quoted someone who described Allah according to the Quran yet you describe an extra-Quranic definition of Allah exclusive to some Islamoc sects, right? That's contadictory.

 

[jmdrake]

Rather unfortunate that people mis-understood my previous posts.

Rather unfortunate that you misunderstood what you were saying in your previous posts and now aren't taking the opportunity to learn better.

 

[jmdrake]

Interesting to note that despite all of the attacks recently on Mormons not being Christians, it was a Mormon who stood up for Jesus. Who's willing to bet there were some nominal Christians in the class who went along with the teacher? Romans 13. Obey the authority put above you.

You know, it's funny how this thread has been derailed to a question of which sect is Christian and which is not, and the original point, that only one person out of an entire class (perhaps an entire college if you consider all of the Christians who haven't yet quit that school in protest) stood up for Jesus against the "authority" of one evil professor. That reminds me of the story of the 10 lepers. Nine were Jews. One was a Samaritan who didn't have the "correct" belief system. He's the one that came back to thank Jesus.

 

[presence]

Hey!

That made Baby Jesus cry.

 

[presence]

"P - O - O - L - E"

*step*

or perhaps better


"F - O - O - L - E"

*step*

 

[Sola_Fide]

The Bible does not teach that Jesus just "sat down" and quit His work of atoning after the cross.

Yes sir it most certainly does:

Hebrews 10:12-14

But when this priest [Jesus] had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Jesus entered (past tense) the Most Holy Place ONCE FOR ALL and He OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION for His people (past tense).

Hebrews 9:12

He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.

Sorry for the caps and the bold, but this is why Seventh Day Adventism is not Christianity and I'm trying to get you to see that.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes sir it most certainly does:

No it doesn't. Your "proof texting" just shows you don't understand how to study the Bible. Or do you think it's impossible for Jesus to stand up after He sat down? Hebrews clearly teaches that Jesus lives to make intercession for us. I already gave you that verse. But your false doctrine requires you to ignore parts of the Bible that disagree with you, rather than taking in the entire Bible into consideration. That's what makes you a cultist.

Edit: You didn't even quote the relevant part of Hebrews 9, specifically verse 15.

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Christ is our mediator present tense. Chew on that.

Jesus entered (past tense) the Most Holy Place ONCE FOR ALL and He OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION for His people (past tense).

His people must come before the throne of grace for that redemption to be applied.

Hebrews 4:14-16
14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Sorry for the caps and the bold, but this is why Seventh Day Adventism is not Christianity and I'm trying to get you to see that.

Again it is time for you to quit being a coward and own up to what you truly believe. You believe that ALL Christians, whether they be Baptists or Pentacostals, or Methodists, who believe that salvation is freely available to all are not Christians. Quit lying and claiming that you are only attacking SDAs, Mormons and JWs when you are attacking Christianity in general.

Edit: And while I'm sure this is a waste of time, I will add this in case you are truly interested in understanding salvation, or at least understanding the SDA understanding of it.

2 Corinthians 5:18-21
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Look at verse 19. It clearly says that God reconciled the world (not just the "elect") to Himself through Jesus at the cross. But look at verse 20. Paul teaches that Christians are to tell others to "be reconciled" to God. He didn't say Christians are to tell people "You are already reconciled to God so don't worry about it." He didn't say "Preach to those that are the elect so that they can realize they are already reconciled." So the Adventist interpretation (and that of the Baptist and the Methodist and the Pentacostal and any other Arminianist church) is that reconciliation means two different things. The first is that full provision was made for the reconciliation of the entire world at the cross. All debts were paid, past present and future. But not everyone will take advantage of that free gift. Paul admonished Christians to be "ambassadors of reconciliation" to let everyone know that the free gift was available to them. All they had to do was to "Come boldly before the throne of grace." You don't have to go to some earthly priest to obtain grace. You don't have to do some great deed to "make up" for your sins. Jesus explained it clearly when He said "And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." (Luke 9:23). That's the Seventh Day Adventist view. It just so happens to be the Christian view. At least according to Christ.

 

[Sola_Fide]

No it doesn't. Your "proof texting" just shows you don't understand how to study the Bible. Or do you think it's impossible for Jesus to stand up after He sat down? Hebrews clearly teaches that Jesus lives to make intercession for us. I already gave you that verse. But your false doctrine requires you to ignore parts of the Bible that disagree with you, rather than taking in the entire Bible into consideration. That's what makes you a cultist.

Okay. Let's look at the verse again. Why did Jesus sit down? He sat down because His work of atonement was COMPLETE:

Hebrews 10:12-14

But when this priest [Jesus] had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

His work of atonement is complete. This is why Ellen G. White was a false prophet. Jesus entered the Most Holy Place ONCE FOR ALL (not in 1844) and OBTAINED (past tense) redemption for His people. His work is done:

Hebrews 9:12

He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.

His people must come before the throne of grace for that redemption to be applied.

Hebrews 4:14-16
14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Yes, only God's elect are even able to come. The book of Hebrews was written to Christians, not unbelievers. So when it says that we must come boldly to the throne of grace, it is speaking to Christians, not unbelievers.

 

[jmdrake]

Okay. Let's look at the verse again. Why did Jesus sit down? He sat down because His work of atonement was COMPLETE:

His work in making provision for the salvation of the entire world, not just the elect, was complete. Again you have to look at 2 Corinthians if you want to understand this as opposed to your "proof texting". God reconciled the entire world (not just the elect) to Himself at the cross through Jesus. But Christians are told to tell others to "be reconciled" to God. That can only mean that the word "reconciliation" is being used two different ways. One is for provision of reconciliation. The other is the application of that reconciliation. Christ does not "re sacrifice" Himself (although Paul did teach that when we sin we crucify Christ again, but that's a different meaning), but that doesn't mean He doesn't continually intercede and mediate on our behalf. Anyway, the truth is there if you want to understand it. But I don't think you actually have that desire.

His work of atonement is complete. This is why Ellen G. White was a false prophet. Jesus entered the Most Holy Place ONCE FOR ALL (not in 1844) and OBTAINED (past tense) redemption for His people. His work is done:

Then Paul is a false prophet because he taught we needed to be ambassador's of reconciliation to tell people to be reconciled to God.

And the writer of Hebrews must be a false prophet as well.

Hebrews 9:24
24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.

Now take this a bit further. You seem to be teaching that the sanctuary = the cross. But Hebrew 9:24 clearly teaches otherwise. The true sanctuary is in heaven. And consider this. Jesus did not ascend into heaven until after His resurrection.

John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

So that clearly destroys the claim that Jesus "entered the most Holy Place" through His death on the cross. He couldn't have if the true sanctuary is in heaven, and if He hadn't gone to heaven until two days after His death on the cross. And He's still in heaven, appearing before God on our behalf.

Yes, only God's elect are even able to come. The book of Hebrews was written to Christians, not unbelievers. So when it says that we must come boldly to the throne of grace, it is speaking to Christians, not unbelievers.

If the grace of Christ was already applied to these believers then why do they need to come before the throne of God to receive mercy? And your interpretation here actually further undercuts your false belief system. In 2 Corinthians Paul told believers (Christians) to go to unbelievers to tell them to be reconciled with God. Now here you are admitting that believers must continue, even after becoming believers to go before the throne of God to receive mercy. I don't disagree with you on that. But that is clear Arminianism, something you have flatly rejected as non Christian. (It's also the view Jesus presented when He said believers should take up their cross daily and follow Him). And again, when are you going to be honest in this thread and admit that you have declared all Arminianist, be they Baptists, Pentecostal, Methodist or otherwise, to be non Christian? How long are you going to continue to hide your true agenda behind the veil that you are only attacking SDAs?

 

[Fivezeroes]

Good for this student, that teacher should have never tried to force him to step on his religious beliefs.

 

[Origanalist]

UPDATE: Florida Atlantic University apologizes for Jesus Stomping 101

So, the story about the Florida Atlantic University student who says he ended up suspended because he refused to stomp on a piece of paper bearing the word “JESUS” has really taken off nationally.

As The Daily Caller reported on Thursday morning, junior Ryan Rotela, a devout Mormon, says he was booted from class after he told an FAU school official that the Jesus-stomping assignment made him uncomfortable.

An FAU official initially defended the suspension, telling local CBS affiliate WPEC that the Jesus-stomping was part of a classroom exercise from a textbook, “Intercultural Communication: A Contextual Approach, 5th Edition.”


Now, Mediaite has confirmed that the instructor’s manual accompanying textbook does, in fact, recommend Jesus-stomping.

The manual reads:


“This exercise is a bit sensitive, but really drives home the point that even though symbols are arbitrary, they take on very strong and emotional meanings. Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper. Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence, instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can’t step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.”


The FAU class in which the Jesus-stomping assignment occurred was called intercultural communications. Deandre Poole was the professor.

Mediaite helpfully points out that Professor Poole is the vice-chairman of the Palm Beach Democratic Party.

Also, another FAU faculty member was in the news recently. James Tracy, tenured associate professor of media history, bizarrely claimed that the Dec. 14 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School didn’t happen as it was widely reported — and perhaps didn’t happen at all. (RELATED: Public university professors join ranks of Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists)


On Friday, reports Todd Starnes of Fox News, FAU issued an apology for Poole’s assignment. The public, taxpayer-funded school said it won’t be using the assignment again.

“We sincerely apologize for any offense this has caused,” the apology said. “Florida Atlantic University respects all religions and welcomes people of all faiths, backgrounds and beliefs.”

FAU noted that no one was forced to participate in the assignment and that no one was punished because of it.

“We can confirm that no student has been expelled, suspended or disciplined by the University as a result of any activity that took place during this class,” the statement read.

Presumably, then, the school is saying that Rotela was not suspended from the class.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/23/u...logizes-for-jesus-stomping-101/#ixzz2ONd77P1G

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/23/u...logizes-for-jesus-stomping-101/#ixzz2ONcz2OHF

 

[Sola_Fide]

His work in making provision for the salvation of the entire world, not just the elect, was complete. Again you have to look at 2 Corinthians if you want to understand this as opposed to your "proof texting". God reconciled the entire world (not just the elect) to Himself at the cross through Jesus. But Christians are told to tell others to "be reconciled" to God. That can only mean that the word "reconciliation" is being used two different ways. One is for provision of reconciliation. The other is the application of that reconciliation. Christ does not "re sacrifice" Himself (although Paul did teach that when we sin we crucify Christ again, but that's a different meaning), but that doesn't mean He doesn't continually intercede and mediate on our behalf. Anyway, the truth is there if you want to understand it. But I don't think you actually have that desire.



Then Paul is a false prophet because he taught we needed to be ambassador's of reconciliation to tell people to be reconciled to God.

And the writer of Hebrews must be a false prophet as well.

Hebrews 9:24
24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence.

Now take this a bit further. You seem to be teaching that the sanctuary = the cross. But Hebrew 9:24 clearly teaches otherwise. The true sanctuary is in heaven. And consider this. Jesus did not ascend into heaven until after His resurrection.

John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

So that clearly destroys the claim that Jesus "entered the most Holy Place" through His death on the cross. He couldn't have if the true sanctuary is in heaven, and if He hadn't gone to heaven until two days after His death on the cross. And He's still in heaven, appearing before God on our behalf.



If the grace of Christ was already applied to these believers then why do they need to come before the throne of God to receive mercy? And your interpretation here actually further undercuts your false belief system. In 2 Corinthians Paul told believers (Christians) to go to unbelievers to tell them to be reconciled with God. Now here you are admitting that believers must continue, even after becoming believers to go before the throne of God to receive mercy. I don't disagree with you on that. But that is clear Arminianism, something you have flatly rejected as non Christian. (It's also the view Jesus presented when He said believers should take up their cross daily and follow Him). And again, when are you going to be honest in this thread and admit that you have declared all Arminianist, be they Baptists, Pentecostal, Methodist or otherwise, to be non Christian? How long are you going to continue to hide your true agenda behind the veil that you are only attacking SDAs?

None of this is about investigative judgement, which is the issue at hand. Ellen G. White (the lone figurhead that you accept as the authoritative person to interpret the Bible, as other cults do) says two things:

1. In 1844, Jesus moved from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place to begin a work of judgement to investigate who is worthy of His atonement by their works

2. That Jesus pleads our repentance and faith before the Father

Number 1 is wrong because as the verses in Hebrews I showed you, Jesus already made atonement for His people and perfected them. He already entered the Most Holy Place ONCE for all and presented His blood to the Father. A believer is NEVER judged by his works for salvation. A believers works have nothing to do with his salvation. It is Christ's blood alone. No person is ever worthy of salvation, and one can never do enough to be worthy.

Number 2 is wrong because again it brings works into the equation of salvation. Christ does not plead the saint's repentance and faith before God, as if my sin-tainted repentance and faltering faith could avail before a perfect and holy God. Christ pleads His blood alone before the Father on behalf of His sheep. It's is Christ's merits which avail before the Father, not anything in man.


These things are why Seventh Day Adventism is not Christianity.

 

[Origanalist]

Good grief! I haven't been following this thread. Nothing goes sideways as fast as a thread with Christianity in it.

 

[Ranger29860]

UPDATE: Florida Atlantic University apologizes for Jesus Stomping 101

So, the story about the Florida Atlantic University student who says he ended up suspended because he refused to stomp on a piece of paper bearing the word “JESUS” has really taken off nationally.

As The Daily Caller reported on Thursday morning, junior Ryan Rotela, a devout Mormon, says he was booted from class after he told an FAU school official that the Jesus-stomping assignment made him uncomfortable.

An FAU official initially defended the suspension, telling local CBS affiliate WPEC that the Jesus-stomping was part of a classroom exercise from a textbook, “Intercultural Communication: A Contextual Approach, 5th Edition.”


Now, Mediaite has confirmed that the instructor’s manual accompanying textbook does, in fact, recommend Jesus-stomping.

The manual reads:


“This exercise is a bit sensitive, but really drives home the point that even though symbols are arbitrary, they take on very strong and emotional meanings. Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper. Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence, instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can’t step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.”


The FAU class in which the Jesus-stomping assignment occurred was called intercultural communications. Deandre Poole was the professor.

Mediaite helpfully points out that Professor Poole is the vice-chairman of the Palm Beach Democratic Party.

Also, another FAU faculty member was in the news recently. James Tracy, tenured associate professor of media history, bizarrely claimed that the Dec. 14 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School didn’t happen as it was widely reported — and perhaps didn’t happen at all. (RELATED: Public university professors join ranks of Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists)


On Friday, reports Todd Starnes of Fox News, FAU issued an apology for Poole’s assignment. The public, taxpayer-funded school said it won’t be using the assignment again.

“We sincerely apologize for any offense this has caused,” the apology said. “Florida Atlantic University respects all religions and welcomes people of all faiths, backgrounds and beliefs.”

FAU noted that no one was forced to participate in the assignment and that no one was punished because of it.

“We can confirm that no student has been expelled, suspended or disciplined by the University as a result of any activity that took place during this class,” the statement read.

Presumably, then, the school is saying that Rotela was not suspended from the class.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/23/u...logizes-for-jesus-stomping-101/#ixzz2ONd77P1G

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/23/u...logizes-for-jesus-stomping-101/#ixzz2ONcz2OHF

Well thats a little odd.

So from what I gather either

1. The professor didn't follow the assignment plan and required the students to actually stomp on the paper instead on using their hesitation as a learning point, then proceeded to kick a student out for not stomping.

or

2. The professor followed the instructions and did not require them to stomp on the peice of paper but the student got upset and left the classroom.

Really don't know if either of those two scenarios are correct but that is what I can gather from is implied in the stories so far.

BTW I dont really disagree with the assignment, it actually highlights a very important point about symbols and how they hold so much power over us.

 

[acptulsa]

None of this is about investigative judgement, which is the issue at hand.

Investigative judgement was not the issue the two of you were discussing at all. Investigative judgement was something you dredged up (as you usually do as you're fixated on it) in order to justify your contention that Seventh Day Advantists don't fit your rather narrow definition of 'Christian'. That was the only way that subject came into your discussion.

Ellen G. White (the lone figurhead that you accept as the authoritative person to interpret the Bible, as other cults do) says...

Did it ever occur to you that, if you have your heart set on changing Mr. Drake's religion for him, the least you could do as a preparatory step is learn to spell 'figurehead'? Because Mr. Drakes a pretty bright guy, and I don't think he's going to be particularly swayed by the conversion arguments of an illiterate.

Or did you wait until he logged off so you could come try to convince us he's a Seventh Day Advantist? Because if that was your grand plan, you're a sick little puppy. Amusingly so, since we would all consider that funny as hell. But sick nonetheless.

 

[MelissaWV]

Good grief! I haven't been following this thread. Nothing goes sideways as fast as a thread with Christianity in it.

Jesus, you got that right.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I am quite happy to be not considered a "Christian", for reasons that are highlighted in this thread, and other reasons. You guys can keep your "Official Christian"TM name brand: trademark, copyright, all rights reserved, patent pending. I'll just be a follower of Jesus.

 

[acptulsa]

I am quite happy to be not considered a "Christian", for reasons that are highlighted in this thread, and other reasons. You guys can keep your "Official Christian"TM name brand: trademark, copyright, all rights reserved, patent pending. I'll just be a follower of Jesus.

Rest assured that the fundamentals of exclusion will still say unto you, it don't mean a thing without their Secret Decoder Ring.