Strangest Article I've Read in a While

[PatriotOne]

Doh! It just dawned on me that there should be a Kellog Browsn and Root connection somewhere. They were the company who received the contract from Homeland Security to build the detention centers in the first place. Are they the mysterious company no one can talk about? So much research so little time.

KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kbr-awarded-homeland-security-contract-worth-up-to-385m

 

[PatriotOne]

Looks like it says "Mercedes of Im....."

hah, so this guy possibly rented 3 benz SUVs to drive up there to look legit?

This Hilton guy is such a scammer.

He may be a scammer but that does not mean this thing isn't legit. He has powerful people backing him and they need people like this scum bag to do their bidding. It's called "business as usual" in the U.S.

 

[pcosmar]

Looks like it says "Mercedes of Im....."

hah, so this guy possibly rented 3 benz SUVs to drive up there to look legit?
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It tried to blow it up and sharpen, didn't help much. The pic was pulled from the video and just isn't clear. I also searched plates, both us and world. It doesn't match any known, that I could find.
It does look like it says "Mercedes of Im...." and could be a dealer sales plate. or a possible vanity plate.
That is NOT a legal plate. It is illegal.
So I have to ask again, Why has there been NO arrest.

 

[PatriotOne]

It tried to blow it up and sharpen, didn't help much. The pic was pulled from the video and just isn't clear. I also searched plates, both us and world. It doesn't match any known, that I could find.
It does look like it says "Mercedes of Im...." and could be a dealer sales plate. or a possible vanity plate.
That is NOT a legal plate. It is illegal.
So I have to ask again, Why has there been NO arrest.

"National Security" perhaps?

 

[pcosmar]

"National Security" perhaps?

Perhaps,
It is puzzling. If it was a scam, a joke or some promotion it would be easy to understand and accept.
There seem to be many questionable connections here.
And they seem to be protected from LE, for offenses that any other would be immediately arrested.

 

[Cowlesy]

It tried to blow it up and sharpen, didn't help much. The pic was pulled from the video and just isn't clear. I also searched plates, both us and world. It doesn't match any known, that I could find.
It does look like it says "Mercedes of Im...." and could be a dealer sales plate. or a possible vanity plate.
That is NOT a legal plate. It is illegal.
So I have to ask again, Why has there been NO arrest.

Well there could have been a dealer-temp plate which is just a piece of paper in the rear-window --- I see dealer-cars driving around all the time in NY without real plates. I'm wondering if there hasn't been any real investigations because Montana is so sparse and not a crazy police state like ny.

 

[constituent]

Perhaps,
It is puzzling. If it was a scam, a joke or some promotion it would be easy to understand and accept.
There seem to be many questionable connections here.
And they seem to be protected from LE, for offenses that any other would be immediately arrested.

I keep reading that all these actions are illegal, but I haven't seen the city charter posted here to back any of those assertions. Who there is allowed to create/hire police and police departments? Have you seen the contractual agreement signed between the two parties concerned (the city itself and AFP)?

 

[pcosmar]

I keep reading that all these actions are illegal, but I haven't seen the city charter posted here to back any of those assertions. Who there is allowed to create/hire police and police departments? Have you seen the contractual agreement signed between the two parties concerned (the city itself and AFP)?

It is called "Impersonating a Police Officer" and it is illegal in any place I have ever been.
There is no Hardin City Police Dept. It is under the Sheriffs jurisdiction.
There was nothing about this in the City Counsel minutes, They were working with the Sheriff Dept.
They Identified themselves initially as Hardin Police Dept.
Hence, my question.

 

[constituent]

It is called "Impersonating a Police Officer" and it is illegal in any place I have ever been.

Can you post the text of the law concerning what EXACTLY is defined as "Impersonating a Police Officer in either Montana or locally?"

Generally speaking (which is worthless when discussing the law... kind of my point here, anyway), in order for the offense to qualify as impersonating a police officer, one most impersonate actual police officers (or an actual police force).

There is no Hardin City Police Dept.

Exactly, so which police officer/police department were they TECHNICALLY impersonating?

What sort of municipality is this (per Montana's state laws regarding incorporation)?

What does Montana's state law say regarding their type of Municipality and the hiring/appointing of police officers/police departments?

Who has what authority in what situations?

Do you see how this works, and why we need to know the ACTUAL law before we can draw the conclusions that you've been lead to?

It is under the Sheriffs jurisdiction.

...and they didn't impersonate the sheriff

There was nothing about this in the City Counsel minutes

You read ALL of the counsel's minutes (going how far back), but cannot produce the city charter that ACTUALLY MATTERS?

Help me out here.

 

[pcosmar]

I don't know, and am not in Montana. I am asking because it is a crime elsewhere, and commonly prosecuted.
http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/61320122.html
I am not the only one asking this same question.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...cer+Montana&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2cca7b2e99206b9c

It also seems that it is a crime in Montana.
http://www.kpax.com/Global/story.asp?S=11117985

Butte-Silver Bow County Sheriff John Walsh said Friday that officer John Bleile resigned June 16. The officer was charged in October 2007 for slamming a patron of the Vu Villa Bar against the wall the previous June. He also was charged with impersonating a peace officer because he was on administrative leave at the time of the incident and threatened to arrest people that evening.

I am not a lawyer and am not LE. I am an outlaw that has been the target of Laws and lawyers.
I wonder why the same treatment does not seem to apply.

 

[constituent]

It also seems that it is a crime in Montana.
http://www.kpax.com/Global/story.asp?S=11117985

You fail to see the obvious difference in these cases? I've already spelled it out for you.

Come on, man.

 

[pcosmar]

You fail to see the obvious difference in these cases? I've already spelled it out for you.

Come on, man.

Ok, so explain to me the purpose of the group fo Mercs showing up pretending to be Police.
I am asking questions, precisely because I have NO logical answers.
This stinks, on several levels.

 

[constituent]

Ok, so explain to me the purpose of the group fo Mercs showing up pretending to be Police.

Now that is a different issue entirely, and I have to admit to not really having a clue what their purpose is.

 

[PatriotOne]

I don't know, and am not in Montana. I am asking because it is a crime elsewhere, and commonly prosecuted.
http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/61320122.html
I am not the only one asking this same question.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...cer+Montana&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2cca7b2e99206b9c

It also seems that it is a crime in Montana.
http://www.kpax.com/Global/story.asp?S=11117985

I am not a lawyer and am not LE. I am an outlaw that has been the target of Laws and lawyers.
I wonder why the same treatment does not seem to apply.

I believe Alex Jones mentioned that the facility was on an Indian Reservation yesterday while reporting live from Hardin. Reservation laws differ so perhaps that could be the loophole?

Hmmmm...correction.....it "borders" an Indian Reservation.

 

[pcosmar]

I believe Alex Jones mentioned that the facility was on an Indian Reservation yesterday while reporting live from Hardin. Reservation laws differ so perhaps that could be the loophole?

Hmmmm...correction.....it "borders" an Indian Reservation.

That still does not explain much. the City is not on the Rez.
I believe that the Federal Martial has jurisdiction there, over even the Tribal Police. At least that is how it is here.
Curious.

Impersonate

1. To assume the character or appearance of, especially fraudulently: impersonate a police officer.
2. To imitate the appearance, voice, or manner of; mimic: an entertainer who impersonates celebrities.
3. Archaic. To embody; personify.

Police.

1. The governmental department charged with the regulation and control of the affairs of a community, now chiefly the department established to maintain order, enforce the law, and prevent and detect crime.
2.
1. A body of persons making up such a department, trained in methods of law enforcement and crime prevention and detection and authorized to maintain the peace, safety, and order of the community.
2. A body of persons having similar organization and function: campus police. Also called police force.
3. (used with a pl. verb) Police officers considered as a group

I may be just a high school dropout. But I can Read.

 

[PatriotOne]

Oh well. I don't have to know all the details of this facility. I'm already convinced it is a black op site using private contractors to do their dirty work. Nothing new there...just business as usual. KBR is probably involved somewhere since they got the main contract to build the detention centers. Prime contractors using sub-contractors is common place....though there could be more contracts out there I don't know. I don't recall if it was just a construction contract or an Operating and Management of the facility contract though.

 

[constituent]

I may be just a high school dropout. But I can Read.

Guess it's like they say, "never let the facts get in the way of a good witch hunt."

(I understand your point that they are impersonating law enforcement officers--assuming they haven't been given that task by the proper authority, which you don't have enough info. to assume--but that doesn't mean they've broken the law. Please tell me you at least understand the difference)

 

[pcosmar]

I do not mind honest questions that challenge me. keeps me on my toes.
There are many asking questions about this, It is not just me.

(I understand your point that they are impersonating law enforcement officers--assuming they haven't been given that task by the proper authority, which you don't have enough info.
<snip>
Please tell me you at least understand the difference)

If he could please explain this "proper authority" it may help my understanding.
i understand that the people of the town were upset by it. so the People of the town did not grant authority
The Mayor had them remove it. So it was not Authorized by the elected officials.
The State Authorities are investigating the whole deal, I don't see any authorization there.

The County Sheriff is the Police authority in the town.

So just what "proper authority" did you have in mind.

 

[constituent]

I do not mind honest questions that challenge me. keeps me on my toes.
There are many asking questions about this, It is not just me.


If he could please explain this "proper authority" it may help my understanding.
i understand that the people of the town were upset by it. so the People of the town did not grant authority
The Mayor had them remove it. So it was not Authorized by the elected officials.
The State Authorities are investigating the whole deal, I don't see any authorization there.

The County Sheriff is the Police authority in the town.

So just what "proper authority" did you have in mind.

Proper authority depends on what type of municipality we are talking about and the state laws concerning the governance of that specific form of municipality. Also, the authority to hire, appoint, deputize, etc. police often changes based on any number of circumstances.

Now, just to elaborate on why it is not illegal to impersonate a non-existent police force. Say I live in Hardin and am angry that we have no police force, so I go buy the cheapest ol' p.o.s I can find and stamp a decal on the side that says "Hardin P.D., Here to Serve You" (or wtf/ever), then I drive around town in a funny hat with a side arm. All of this I do to make the statement that "Hey, we need a REAL police force here."

This statement is protected by the first amendment, hence the limitations on what is defined as "impersonation." The same is true if some private contractors pull the same stunt to say "Hey, we're bad ass you should hire us as your cops!"

The line could be crossed in either instance when/if myself or the private contractors attempted to detain, arrest, etc. Then we would be technically usurping the proper authority and impersonating law enforcement (in addition to any number of other laws depending on what those specific actions that crossed the line were).

 

[pcosmar]

I could swear a post just vanished.