Stop This Flyer~!

[max]

If you have room on the back, I think Billy's suggestion is a great idea. Adding something about voting in the primaries, registering to vote, etc.

How about "Repeal Women's suffrage?"...LOL

(Inside joke between Slap and I)

 

[Roxi]

to be fair max edited his cussing at first and when retorted with nasty comments he responded angrily with reason....

constructive criticism is one thing but being an ass is another, try to remember people work hard on this stuff and freedom of speech lets us make the flyers and distribute them as they like... any of you who don't like it have u made a better one?

 

[cac1963]

NAU or not

Look im not a troll rolling with another candidate, I apologize Max that was a very unwarranted comment from me. I guess the flyer is working and it doesn't look half bad. The thing is I really didn't like about it was the the NAU talk which frankly the MSM uses as ammunition to make us look crazy for believing in something that isn't widely accepted. Im kind of on the fence whether I believe there are people trying to make a NAU or not, but I haven't seen credible evidence for either side to fully sway me(can someone link me to something credible so I can form a better opinion?) Btw if I was new I wouldn't have nearly 50 posts... Im only 17 and I lurk alot because usually I don't have much RP news to contribute and other stuff...so

Regardless of the probability of a NAU growing out of the SPP, this "harmonizing" of policies that has been used in defense of the SPP will lead to reduced freedoms under mandates issued by non-representational governments. Watch this clip to get a feel for what's in store in the name of "harmonizing" our policies. The clip is a documentary about changes in healthcare policies that are already underway.

 

[SlapItHigh]

Ha ha! Good one max.

 

[Dustancostine]

Considering im already quit involved with politics, im involved in model united nations so I talk politics alot and most of my friends also are really involved in politics, I don't think you can say im lazy and don't do research. Regarding NAU I have just seen way to many points argued for both sides of the issue without some smoking gun being presented by either side. Sorry for keeping an open mind, but that is what I think is the most important thing in dealing with politics. Btw im a Lou Dobbs fan, and Im more of the belief that NAU exists, Im just not sure to what extent.

Compare these two pics:

Kansas City Southern Railroad

Trans Texas Corridor

The TTC is being built by a Spanish company that is represented by Guliani's Law firm.

The same Spanish company is being consulted by the Zachary Engineering Comapny.

Zachary is an alum of Texas A&M University.

Gov. Rick Perry is an alum of Texas A&M University.

Sec. of Defense Robert Gates was the president of Texas A&M University between the CIA and SoD.

George H.W. Bush's Presidential Library is on the campus of Texas A&M University.

Rick Perry is trying to push through the TTC, met with the Bilderberg's in Turkey this year.

Lowry Mays started and still controls Clear Channel Communications (MSM), is also an alum of Texas A&M University (Business school named after him). From his wikipedia page:

Mays is a close friend of and major fundraiser for both former President George H.W. Bush and current President George W. Bush. He was named to the Texas Technology Council when the younger Bush was the governor of Texas.

Former Sen. Phil Gramm (Chairman of the Banking Committee) was previously a professor at Texas A&M, his wife is currently on the board of regents.


You can see that people involved in TAMU are pushing this through the state and the country.

This is just some evidence off the top of my head.

Add in the Mexican controlled port in KC and you will see it all adds up.

--Dustan

 

[hard@work]

It looks pretty good to me. And I hate mean campaign tactics.

*shrug*

The worst thing on there is the Hilary picture, and I can't find a single frikkin Democrat that even likes Ms. Clinton - even slightly. And I'm in SoCal.

 

[max]

to be fair max edited his cussing at first and when retorted with nasty comments he responded angrily with reason....

constructive criticism is one thing but being an ass is another, try to remember people work hard on this stuff and freedom of speech lets us make the flyers and distribute them as they like... any of you who don't like it have u made a better one?

Rox

Thanks for the back up.

Trust me, these vicious attacks ALL came from brand new members. Very unusual in light of the fact that the Founding Fathers Flyer has received overwhelming suport from so many forum members.

These are trolls...perhaps even 1 using 3 names. No true RP supporter would attack those pieces so agressively. All the other input i received was plesant sounding and useful towards the finished version.

This piece works and they KNOW it! I hope you will make copies

 

[max]

Ha ha! Good one max.

after the point you made equating men's suffrage to war....I've been seriously reconsidering my position on the matter.

Not fully converted yet however!

 

[jacmicwag]

Just a thought for you guys. A bunch of us from Houston and all over the place will be working the B-day party for RP this weekend. I'd be more than happy to pass the piece by him for a reaction. I think it's a good idea for any stuff going out to large audiences. I ran a crawl ad in Iowa for the Straw Poll and did the same thing prior to running.

 

[paulitics]

Look im not a troll rolling with another candidate, I apologize Max that was a very unwarranted comment from me. I guess the flyer is working and it doesn't look half bad. The thing is I really didn't like about it was the the NAU talk which frankly the MSM uses as ammunition to make us look crazy for believing in something that isn't widely accepted. Im kind of on the fence whether I believe there are people trying to make a NAU or not, but I haven't seen credible evidence for either side to fully sway me(can someone link me to something credible so I can form a better opinion?) Btw if I was new I wouldn't have nearly 50 posts... Im only 17 and I lurk alot because usually I don't have much RP news to contribute and other stuff...so

Try the Late Great Usa" book completely full of verifiable info. Better yet, read the SPP documents for yourself. Does it advocate a one border nation? Are they doing anything about border security, or immigration? Do they have the means to do so with a trillion dollar homeland security agency? Are they building the trans texas corridor despite public outcry? Will foreign companies own the infrastructure? They are on record for saying that since it is unpopular with the public, it would have to be implemented stealthily. Now, ask yourself, if this thing is real, would they admit it ? The answer is, hell no, they would deny and use doublespeak all day long for it to advance incrementally, and if they tried to pitch it honestly the plebians would hunt them down with pitch forks. Think of how the EU was implemented. Dr Paul talks openly about the NAU, as does Pat Buchanan, Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs and many others. These traitors will never admit to a north american union despite the open borders, handouts to illegals, foreign own super highways, administrative laws being rewritten, on and on. They can just call it a security and partnership agreement while all these changes take place over years.

 

[max]

Just a thought for you guys. A bunch of us from Houston and all over the place will be working the B-day party for RP this weekend. I'd be more than happy to pass the piece by him for a reaction. I think it's a good idea for any stuff going out to large audiences. I ran a crawl ad in Iowa for the Straw Poll and did the same thing prior to running.

thats a good idea..i'd be curious to hear his reaction..

but no matter what..it's a great piece and u should roll with it

 

[McDermit]

meh.

 

[Ann Kobialka]

Max, great job go for it. This is just a skirmish, the battle hasn't even started never mind the war. In the revolutionary war when the original patriots would skirmish with the British lines they would try and shoot the officers off thier horses. Take a couple shots at them retreat regroup and shoot again. The British actually cried foul because the rules said you had to stand in line and shoot at each other and the officers were off limits. Take your shot Max, retreat regroup and shoot again, the hell with thier rules we are here to win not be proper. Ann

 

[Nefertiti]

I'm a bit surprised by the reaction to this. It's simply a list of positions and the differences between the candidates. And Rudy asked for it-he had that picture shot while he was mayor of NYC. If it was a youthful indiscretion maybe we could say leave it off but it was his choice to make that video himself while mayor and if he was comfortable dressing like that as a politician he has to accept it.

If anything, I would say I find the front side of the flier a bit offputting. It's quite critical of the American PEOPLE and some may feel personally offended by it. That's just my own impression, others might feel differently. If it is successful for your group Max, then I see no problem with it.

 

[Nefertiti]

meh.

But will it have the same impact in black and white?

 

[Revolution9]

Trust me...this SING guy and the original poster (nh) are TROLLS...

The Founding Fathers Flyer and the Voting Guide scare the crap out of them!!!!

It's one thing to critique (which I sincerely appreciate)...but the way these two attacked it so viciously is a CLEAR indicator of the terror which these peices have instilled in them

http://www.ronpaulpostcards.com/foundersflyer.html

I like the flyer as well. I think yer doing a great job Max.. Folks from small towns or backwaters on these forums just do not get that the urban areas and high population areas have a much different mindset and habits. Most big city folks like a good dose of with or sarcasm or a good healthy rant. Especially with their politics.

Best
Randy

 

[Revolution9]

Considering im already quit involved with politics, im involved in model united nations.

So..what are you doing here? Dr Paul wants us out of the UN. Are you here to change the momentum and direction..because if you are out of politics there would be no reason for you to be here other than that. NAU is real and we, nor Canadians want it. I haven't seen much from Mexico saying anything about wanting to keep their sovereignity as a nation so I cannot speak to that.

Randy

 

[mtmedlin]

Not to get the debate going in the direction it started, I completely agree that we shouldn't use the pictures and anything that could be considered an attack piece. People say that there is freedom of speech and we can do what we want. The word CAN is powerful. We can do it, but should we. In all actions that we commit, we must remember that this is not OUR campaign. It is Ron Paul's. We may support him, but in the end it is he, who has to live with the outcome. The best manner to act in is to emulate the person who is running. Ask yourself one honest question. Is this what Ron Paul would do? Even if this type of ad is effective in one part of the country because of their personality traits, please remember that once it is picked up as a negative ad and put on TV, then it will not be appreciated by others. Those that seek to destroy RP will use anything and an add that looks or even begins to feel like a hit piece can be spun rather easily that RP is a hatchet man just like all other lifelong politicians. Even it that isn't true, it will be what is said.

my 2 cents


PS. Not all people who disagree are trolls.

 

[Swmorgan77]

I don't think its that bad. I think it would be very effective, especially with potential Republican voters.

Remember that none of what we are doing is "official". The campaign is not going to get blamed for "going negative" because some private citizen/activist distributes this flyer.

 

[Swmorgan77]

meh.

Looks good, but you took Madison off! Madison had more clear and explicit warnings about our current state of affairs than the others combined! No really though, that's just a petty nit-pick

I do think though that the original is higher-contrast and more readable. I like the idea of the Constitution-type background, but it is not quite as eye-catching.