Update. I cannot vote for Trump.

[PAF]

LOL. So now Ron and Rand Paul are globalists? Whatever dude.

And brainwashed. Don't forget brainwashed

 

[acptulsa]

If you think the black market isn't managed by organized crime you are sadly mistaken.

LOLOLOLOL

Seriously??

Dude, every garage sale is the black market. The mafia controls every transaction that doesn't get reported to the government?

Give me a break. You say you're Christian but spend literally every morning here literally worshipping earthly "power". It's disturbing.

 

[jmdrake]

LOLOLOLOL

Seriously??

Dude, every garage sale is the black market. The mafia controls every transaction that doesn't get reported to the government?

The "mafia" controlling the black market is the government that will shut down a little girl's lemonade stand.

Give me a break. You say you're Christian but spend literally every morning here literally worshipping earthly "power". It's disturbing.

I agree.

 

[jmdrake]

And brainwashed. Don't forget brainwashed

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PAF again.

 

[CCTelander]

Neither one is.

It’s a real tragedy how far the levels of discourse and civility have plummeted here since the rise of Trump.

 

[acptulsa]

It’s a real tragedy how far the levels of discourse and civility have plummeted here since the rise of Trump.

Meh. It was brief anyway. It was just exactly as bad during both of Dr. No's campaigns. It's just that back then it was Obamabots worshipping earthly power.

 

[Invisible Man]

My point is, it's impossible to have free trade when one party to the trade, fundamentally and systematically doesn't believe in reciprocal free trade, it's not fair trade. Trade is a two-way street after all.

It doesn't matter what any other countries do. If China punishes its own citizens with tariffs and other restrictions on trade with Americans, that is no reason for our government to respond by punishing us with the same things.

When Ron Paul talks about free trade and tariffs, he is talking about a utopian world where everyone practices free trade, and everyone has freedom like in the USA.

No he isn't. He explicitly condemns the views you are espousing here.

 

[jmdrake]

Meh. It was brief anyway. It was just exactly as bad during both of Dr. No's campaigns. It's just that back then it was Obamabots worshipping earthly power.

I think back then there was balance in the force between those on the left and those on the right. Now the leftists are all but gone leaving those in the center looking like leftists. And I say that with the full knowledge that some of what Trump proposes is actually leftist. Crazy world.

 

[Snowball]

You're once again mistaking managed trade for free trade.

You are completely backwards. Do tell how do you have free trade with a communist country that prevents our companies from selling goods into China??? Literally bans all American ownership of companies in China. Their goal is to destroy our manufacturing base and the open borders, pro-slave labor, globalist free traders like you cheer about it.

You confuse Ron and Rand speaking of philosophical principles, with what actually occurs in reality.

BTW, Trump was the biggest threat to the WTO ever.

The historical record shows that ideologies concerning trade are disconected from expected outcomes. There are false distinctions and incorrect assumptions, all argued by ideologues of laissez-faire and "free trade", and "managed" trade, but the outcomes are not causally connected, and the complex arangements within and between nations are misrepresented for political posturing, to gain votes, or advocate for wars, or colonize and subjugate both native and foreign populations, so that they are forcibly assimilated into the state or corporate hegemonies. The division between corporate and state hegemonies was and is over-emphasized by ideologues, to the extent that such advocates, while maintaining the veneer of intellectualism, always ended up presenting hypotheticals as truths, and disguised publicly bad outcomes as rising from "the other side", namely socialism or state entitlement programs, or any organized popular resisance to laissez-faire, which became necessary in all nations, after the exploitations and consolidations of wealth and power (resulting from laissez-faire capitalism) created the political need for lawful adjustments; thus, "free trade" and de-regulation of financial markets IS responsible for communism and socialism, because the populations subject to the unnatural consolidation of power and resources are unable to "compete" with the concentrated, amalgamated and international, indeed non-national, corporate oligarchy.

For example, in the U.S., this consolidation of monetary power took hold especially after the Civil War. The carpetbaggers were mostly foreign, and the influence of foreign money into the whole country, gradually would displace the domestic wealth, and subvert it to the Londoners, namely the Jewish banking houses, who, with their American employees, were able to quickly usurp the American financial realm. This gilded age of "American" oligarchs was financed by foreign banks. The most wealthy were indeed parts of members of clubs directed by the Judeo-Masonic societies overseas. What kept Americans satisfied with their lives at the time was very unique and unrelated to the machinations of "free" markets - the vast territory of new land. So, the Homestaead Act made acquisition and settlement of these lands free to all Americans, while the railroads were being built and the Midwest settled to connect the coasts, but over the course of just a few decades, the concentration of wealth became so extreme that Americans demanded change, and those changes took the form of labour laws, rights for workers, and the anti-trust laws that sought to restrain the foreign capital from owning the whole country in just a handful of people, and also protectionism became popular, to protect American industry from the more advanced British and Germans, and try to keep people able to start businesses that could sustain commuities with local ownership.

Still, it wasn't long before the foreign bankers were able to influence our weak, vulnerable Constitution and assail it with their own schemes, by directing their financial and criminal powers against our representatives and candidates, and continued to this day to employ this tactic, as it is the Achilles Heel of the Constitution, that the vicissitudes of elections and individuals are so great, yet, virtually all we have to protect the population, outside of the Bill of Rights (which may be exploited itself, ironically, to keep the takeover going), falls like a house of cards blown down by the free market globalist plutocracy. The outcome was never more obvious than when the Federal Reserve Act cemented the control of the Anglo-Judaic banking dynasty over our gullible and unsophisticated population by apparatchiks people actually voted for. This trend has been ongoing with only temporary resistance, quicky disposed of, for over 110 years since.

Later, as the enemies of the Judeo-Masonic invisible empire became, via the captured U.S. government, "our" enemies, the country was used to project their desires over the world, in both World Wars and also in the Korean and Vietnam Wars, and the Cold War, and in countless regime-change operations and more recent wars in the Middle East and also in Eastern Europe which are ongoing to this day. Our ability to select representatives and candidates in this regard has been subjugated completely. The Achilles Heel, it broke, and it broke a long time ago. In times when it tried to mend, it was quicky hobbled again.

So, back to the "free trade" outcomes, such as with China. In the 1990's, these international oligarchs moved into China and set up shop. Their corporations were listed as "American", but they were located in China. The cheap goods and cheap labour, and the disregad for environmental concerns, all contributed to the further consolidation of commerce and industry, and all forms of consumer-based acttivity, in the United States, changing us very significantly from a country with local and regionally-based businesses to a country where those are driven into bankruptcy, their assets picked up by the predator banks, and the megacorps take over all facets of our industrial and consumer landscape. What made it possible was "free trade", and de-regulation of protectionist laws, in the 1990's and early 00's.


some background links:
U.S. Trade Deals From the 90’s Set Up China as a Pollution Haven
Even while trade agreements brokered under Clinton helped China's economy to boom and brought Americans cheap goods, both nations have paid dearly.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/06032014/us-trade-deals-90s-set-china-pollution-haven/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Investment_Law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China
US Exports to China 2023
https://www.uschina.org/reports/us-exports-china-2023-0
H R 4444 RECORDED VOTE 24-May-2000 5:41 PM QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: To Authorize Extension of Nondiscriminatory Treatment (Normal Trade Relations Treatment) to the People’s Republic of China
NOES 197 ---Paul
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2000/roll228.xml

 

[acptulsa]

^^ tl;dr:

Ideally, government is the last entity that should ever be let near management of trade.

 

[Snowball]

The American Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-ballistic missile system has become operational in Israel, Israeli state broadcaster KAN reported on Sunday evening.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke with former US President Donald Trump, the prime minister's office said on Sunday.
"Prime Minister Netanyahu reiterated what he has also said publicly: Israel takes into account the issues the US administration raises, but in the end, will make its decisions based on its national interests," it said.
Trump, speaking later to reporters in Philadelphia, said he had had "a very nice call" with Netanyahu on Saturday.
The Israeli leader had asked his opinion about what to do with Iran, he said. Israel is pondering its military reaction to recent Iranian missile strikes.
"He was asking what I thought. And I just said you do what you have to do," Trump said.
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Jerusalem Post

 

[Dr.3D]

Yeah, I'm not going to vote for somebody I disagree with, I'll instead, vote for Daffy Duck.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, I'm not going to vote for somebody I disagree with, I'll instead, vote for Daffy Duck.

Vote for Donald.

 

[acptulsa]

Yeah, I'm not going to vote for somebody I disagree with, I'll instead, vote for Daffy Duck.

Vote for Donald.

Disney lover. If you like Donald Duck more than Daffy, you support pedophiles. Pedo lover!

That's a taste of your own obnoxious medicine, boy. Like it?

 

[Dr.3D]

Disney lover. If you like Donald Duck more than Daffy, you support pedophiles. Pedo lover!

That's a taste of your own obnoxious medicine, boy. Like it?

That's why I can't vote for Goofy.