STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[LibertyEagle]

You got an inside track on their planning and implementation meetings? I really just kinda doubt that.

Straw man.

FAIL, TW.

Try again.

I know you haven't that's a HUGE part of the comprehension problems. You've had more than several opportunities, if you cared.

I imagine I have read far more of the books that Ron Paul has recommended reading, than you have EVER thought about reading. And TW, here's a lesson for you. I wouldn't read one damn thing you suggest. See, that's the blowback that has occurred from all your rude, antagonistic and downright insulting posts to anyone who believed differently than your anarchistic self.

Cheers.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You got your LOADED question, answer.

Answer: Great question for you to answer too.<IMHO> I'm pretty confident that you find a whole lot of things strange, based on our past experiences.

Not any too surprised that you don't like it AGAIN.

You still have not answered the question, TW. You keep dodging, like you always do. Whatsa matter, are you scared?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Childish. Of you, hardly.

Apparently you are. Because once again, you refused to answer a simple question.

We're done.

That's right. Tuck your tail and run away.

 

[JK/SEA]

(ahhhh....pours a shot of Petron, puts feet up.)..

next?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Oh, give me a break. Moderators are human too. The reality is that we have been allowing far too much flagrant insulting and name-calling to go on around here. Those things are clearly against forum guidelines. I'm sure I'm not the only Mod who has been PM'd and begged by people, who are now gone, to stop some of this BS. We have lost many long-time members and no telling how many lurkers we have driven away. Check this out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=176045

As for using collectivism to bash all teachers and policemen, what happened to the idea of judging each INDIVIDUAL by their own actions? Or, is that just rhetoric we use when it suits our purposes?

That's understandable, but some mods cannot abide by the rules and abuse their power or threaten to abuse it. I think you do a fine, respectable job, but RonPaulHawaii is acting like one of those power hungry cops that thinks he's untouchable and is going to get me to succumb to him through threats and abuse of that power while breaking the rules himself. That's a clear instance of the power abuse we've been railing against in this thread when comparing to cops. This is basically like a microcosm of the world. I can abide by the forum rules, but don't impose a collectivist power on me that isn't granted and think you don't have to abide by the rules, ya know? That's how I'm viewing it. If we can't take away the privilege we granted a mod that abuses that power in our own forum, a forum we like to say pushes the idea of liberty and freedom and a non abusive government, how can we convey that message outside of here?

As for the teacher issue, I haven't taken a side yet, but many teachers do not push for reform specifically because it will affect their job. They are using the "I believe in freedom and liberty except...." excuse. They are not immune. They may convey the message they are against the system, but they thrive perfectly well within it and most are not pushing to change it. However, we must also note the influence of unions in this area. Overly powerful unions have quite an influence, too.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

It would be nice if it wasn't derailed with hissy fits and personality clashes. It is a subject that deserves some discussion.

Well it's difficult when you're trying to have a sincere discussion and a mod like RonPaulHawaii makes it personal and derails it. If you look at my earlier posts before it got personal I expressed my sympathy for both sides of the argument and explained how you could view it from either side. I went on to say I personally believe many teachers will not rail against the system because it actually affects them. They believe in liberty and freedom and choice as long as it doesn't affect their cozy position. I do not believe all teachers are willfully ignorant. Some just believe public school is the way it's been and should be and what works and just don't know any better, but they are not immune from the fire. Keep in mind, if we are looking to change this system those that thrive by it will be fighting against us. I think we do need to change the minds of many teachers; they will be the ones to help us gain control of our education choices again.

 

[tpreitzel]

Do you need help understanding how to use the quote button? Is that it? Because interspersing your replies within someone else's quote makes it very difficult to quote YOU.

How many times have I rightfully complained about that tactic? There certainly isn't a lack of material... How many more times does he need to be warned?

 

[donnay]

I thought it odd when the OP posted the question Teachers and police, until I did a google search to add to a post. Then the connection became more clear.

Indoctrination
Enforcement

It is all about control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8cC21jB9EE

+1776

I was only doing my job and following orders...

 

[jmdrake]

Teachers and cops are getting paid with stolen loot. If they realize this and continue with their occupation then they are a huge source of the problem.

Private school teachers aren't. Also most teacher pay comes from local property taxes and sales taxes. And while I realize that there is a fringe that feels all taxes are "stolen loot", recall that these types of taxes go all the way to the founding of the republic. Also recall that Thomas Jefferson was an advocate of public schools. What a tyrant.

That said public schools are a local matter that should be left to the states. And states should not be allowed to compel attendance in "approved schools". On that note I've yet to meet a teacher that like the federal government takeover of schools represented that is "no child left behind".

 

[sailor]

If you see evil stand up to it. Doesn`t matter where it is.

 

[acptulsa]

See I don't believe it can be changed, and certainly not by infiltrating it. It needs to be removed, dissolved, destroyed, not changed. If you want to try and change it, good luck, just don't ask me to help with what I think is impossible.

I have a question. How many of you are here today because one teacher who cared more about you than about the damned system reached you? I'll bet there are more than a few.

That's why people 'burrow from within' when it isn't yet possible to wipe the system out. Do such people propigate the system by making it less unbearable or do such people help destroy the system by helping others see that there are better things? Good question. But consider this: A revolution without direction can and usually does lead to more tyranny. Consider Castro and Che. What the hell good is a revolution where no one knows what they're fighting for?!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Private school teachers aren't. Also most teacher pay comes from local property taxes and sales taxes. And while I realize that there is a fringe that feels all taxes are "stolen loot", recall that these types of taxes go all the way to the founding of the republic. Also recall that Thomas Jefferson was an advocate of public schools. What a tyrant.

That said public schools are a local matter that should be left to the states. And states should not be allowed to compel attendance in "approved schools". On that note I've yet to meet a teacher that like the federal government takeover of schools represented that is "no child left behind".

Yes he did. He and I will have to disagree on that. I bet he would change his mind if he saw it now. No one said TJ was perfect.

 

[acptulsa]

Yea, the teacher I was with was right there. She also hated the a*hole parents who cared way more about petty, bickering personal shit they had w/ her than actually taking responsibility for their kids' future, that's what really burned her out when you get right down to it.

Sounds much like what has burned out more than a few posters to this forum, too.

 

[acptulsa]

Gee, I never realized that you controlled the NWO agenda and timeline.

TW, I've seen signs that you're more intelligent than this. Therefore, this is misdirection, obfuscation and pure bull. She said, if people weren't fighting it the people driving the timeline would have had more success, and she was quite clear enough to be understood. Opposition that fails to completely crush the enemy isn't necessarily useless.

So much of this thread comes down to, do we want to fight it back step by step or do we want to push it ahead until it fails completely, and enjoy all the benefits of a new Dark Ages? Well, guess what? The Dark Ages were full of tyranny. The only thing they had going for them was a lack of ability on the part of that tyranny to watch everyone all the time, but just because we go back to the Dark Ages does not mean a thousand years' worth of Big Brother technology is going to disappear.

 

[pcosmar]

I have nothing against an educated populace. I think Thomas Jefferson had good intentions, however , what passes for public ed now would turn his stomach.

My mother was a teacher in the 50s in Canada, Taught in a one room school house in the US in the 60s and taught me to read at 4 yrs old.
I served time in the school system, and had few teachers that taught me anything.
We had a set of encyclopedias, and I spent a lot of time in libraries. I am still learning, and am more disgusted at what WAS NOT taught in schools.
She did not teach me to lie ( I fault her for that) and I have never learned to do it well. This sometimes makes me seem harsh or blunt.
It is apparent that few have watched the video I posted, It shows clearly what has happened to the school system, including revisionist history and the purpose of the Dept of Ed.
Abolish the Public School system and start from scratch. If teachers want to teach, then teach, open a school and teach.

 

[acptulsa]

That's understandable, but some mods cannot abide by the rules and abuse their power or threaten to abuse it. I think you do a fine, respectable job, but RonPaulHawaii is acting like one of those power hungry cops that thinks he's untouchable and is going to get me to succumb to him through threats and abuse of that power while breaking the rules himself. That's a clear instance of the power abuse we've been railing against in this thread when comparing to cops. This is basically like a microcosm of the world. I can abide by the forum rules, but don't impose a collectivist power on me that isn't granted and think you don't have to abide by the rules, ya know? That's how I'm viewing it. If we can't take away the privilege we granted a mod that abuses that power in our own forum, a forum we like to say pushes the idea of liberty and freedom and a non abusive government, how can we convey that message outside of here?

You were rude, dude. Your rudeness prompted an equal and opposite reaction. Can't break the laws of physics.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

TW doesn't like PMs or profile messages. I learned this the hard way! lolz

Yes, it seems he would rather flood the forum with low value material:

+ Floods of low-value material may be subject to being moved into an alternate sub-forum or deleted. More tolerance will be allowed for established members. Reason: Excessive low value posts dilute users time spent on the forum just reading topic threads.

 

[sdczen]

I will stop demonizing teachers and cops when they stop being such demons.

 

[Kludge]

I will stop demonizing teachers and cops when they stop being such demons.

So where were you when Ron Paul supporters were discredited because "Ron Paul supporters wear tin-foil hats" or "Ron Paul supporters are racist"?

 

[acptulsa]

I will stop demonizing teachers and cops when they stop being such demons.

Collectivist. You seem not to have read any part of this thread but the title.