STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[purplechoe]

Having read most of this thread, I have so say that I agree with most of the teachers/ cops bashers. The mods are starting to scare me. I'm seriously thinking about dropping this forum all together because of the attitude I see displayed by the moderaters here. If that's the direction this movement is heading, I just might have to jump off from this Titanic.

I think the OP is a jerk and not a very informed one. If this thread represents the mindset of liberty loving teachers of our movement, than I'm not sure if I should drop this whole movement all together. It's starting to remind me of republican/ democratic moronic arguments.

To the teachers, thanks! You have made me loose any faith I might have had in liberty living teachers in this movement.

Sad, sad, sad...

 

[donnay]

And yet, here you are posting as a member on a forum which supports the principles of a man who is an elected official of the very system you hate, not to mention this forum seeks to promote and elect candidates who will restore a republic which you believe is inherently evil.

So, what does that say about you?

What it says to me is TW doesn't hold any illusions about the corrupt system. Yes, many of us here support Ron Paul because Ron Paul is a strict constitutionalists and wants to see this country get back to "limited" government as our founders intended it to be.

I am fairly certain that if the system wasn't so corrupt (at the highest levels), we would have seen Ron Paul as our president.

 

[Deborah K]

Having read most of this thread, I have so say that I agree with most of the teachers/ cops bashers. The mods are starting to scare me. I'm seriously thinking about dropping this forum all together because of the attitude I see displayed by the moderaters here. If that's the direction this movement is heading, I just might have to jump off from this Titanic.

Why would you agree with the teacher/cops bashers? What is your reasoning?

I think the mods are getting fatigued by all the hate mongering that has been going on in this forum lately. There are a certain number of people who go from thread to thread spewing hate all over anyone who doesn't fit their version of what a Ron Paul supporter should be. I'm personally getting really sick of it myself. Sorry guys, not all RP supporters are anarchists, anarcho-capitalists. Stop trying to turn us all into that.

It's okay to have differing opinions and to debate, but some in here are making extremism look like that is your only choice if you want to be accepted here. This needs to stop.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Having read most of this thread, I have so say that I agree with most of the teachers/ cops bashers. The mods are starting to scare me. I'm seriously thinking about dropping this forum all together because of the attitude I see displayed by the moderaters here. If that's the direction this movement is heading, I just might have to jump off from this Titanic.

Oh, give me a break. Moderators are human too. The reality is that we have been allowing far too much flagrant insulting and name-calling to go on around here. Those things are clearly against forum guidelines. I'm sure I'm not the only Mod who has been PM'd and begged by people, who are now gone, to stop some of this BS. We have lost many long-time members and no telling how many lurkers we have driven away. Check this out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=176045

As for using collectivism to bash all teachers and policemen, what happened to the idea of judging each INDIVIDUAL by their own actions? Or, is that just rhetoric we use when it suits our purposes?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah, I'd be much more in favor of private accreditation agencies, as opposed to government licensing. And if parents chose to send their children to an unaccredited school, they should have the right to do that, or to homeschool. Bottom line, I don't want the government involved in education, in any way, shape, or form. I think it's really dangerous to allow anyone that much control over our children's minds.

I agree with you fully. The obvious danger of government messing with kids' minds is why Marx made government education the 10th plank in his manifesto.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Oh, give me a break. Moderators are human too. The reality is that we have been allowing far too much flagrant insulting and name-calling to go on around here. Those things are clearly against forum guidelines. I'm sure I'm not the only Mod who has been PM'd and begged by people, who are now gone, to stop some of this BS. We have lost many long-time members and no telling how many lurkers we have driven away. Check this out: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=176045

As for using collectivism to bash all teachers and policemen, what happened to the idea of judging each INDIVIDUAL by their own actions? Or, is that just rhetoric we use when it suits our purposes?

Because the government teachers and police work for an inherently collectivist "agency"-the government.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Like our group has been tyrannizing yours for millenia. Your getting off easy. It's your gang in D.C. that is implementing the NWO, NOT mine.

Hhmmm.... You consider Ron Paul supporters to be tyrannizing your "group"? You honestly believe that Ron Paul and those who support him are implementing the NWO?

By the way, I thought you didn't believe in groups.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Because the government teachers and police work for an inherently collectivist "agency"-the government.

So, to you, it's ok to use collectivism to judge a profession, if some in that profession accept government funds for their work? Is that your stance? Funny, I never read that perspective in any of Mises' writings.

 

[LibForestPaul]

So Teachers and Cops are protesting against their insane raises. Rallying for reduction in staff. Demanding free enterprise.

Or, are they just trying to make sure they get theirs.

I know teachers, they know they are on the dole. They don't CARE. They have a cushy job, are overpaid, believe the system cheats student, know it, and do nothing about...

Same with cops. Pension, health care, money, union, guaranteed raises. Screw the taxpayer.

 

[Deborah K]

You figure it out.

"Visit LewRockwell.com, an outstanding and crucially important Web site I visit every day." -- Ron Paul.
"THE REVOLUTION, A MANIFESTO" ( page # 158 ), http://www.lewrockwell.com/

"Of course I'm cheering on Ron Paul because he is exposing the nature of the whole system. He is not running for president. He is running against the presidency as it is currently understood. Ultimately, however, I do not believe that politics offers a way out. What we need is a new consciousness concerning the idea of human liberty." -- Lew Rockwell

Not all of us choose to worship at the alter of Lew Rockwell, TW. Even RP doesn't. You need a new approach. This one's getting boring.

 

[pcosmar]

I thought it odd when the OP posted the question Teachers and police, until I did a google search to add to a post. Then the connection became more clear.

Indoctrination
Enforcement

It is all about control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8cC21jB9EE

 

[constituent]

I don't see how your reference to western civilization studies and use of winding sentences that run in circles have any relevancy towards socialist tendencies in what was meant to be a free country.

yea, but uew is a blast and you know it.


just as an aside, i've already hit the lake and dinner since departing from this thread.... that it is still chugging on strong says something, i'm tryin' to figure out what.

 

[Deborah K]

So Teachers and Cops are protesting against their insane raises. Rallying for reduction in staff. Demanding free enterprise.

Or, are they just trying to make sure they get theirs.

I know teachers, they know they are on the dole. They don't CARE. They have a cushy job, are overpaid, believe the system cheats student, know it, and do nothing about...

Same with cops. Pension, health care, money, union, guaranteed raises. Screw the taxpayer.

What about the issue at hand??? What about the open-minded teacher that went to the CFL event? What about that? Are you in agreement with the anarchists that we should take the collectivist approach and attack all teachers/cops? Write them ALL off?

 

[LibertyEagle]

You figure it out.

"Visit LewRockwell.com, an outstanding and crucially important Web site I visit every day." -- Ron Paul.
"THE REVOLUTION, A MANIFESTO" ( page # 158 ), http://www.lewrockwell.com/

"Of course I'm cheering on Ron Paul because he is exposing the nature of the whole system. He is not running for president. He is running against the presidency as it is currently understood. Ultimately, however, I do not believe that politics offers a way out. What we need is a new consciousness concerning the idea of human liberty." -- Lew Rockwell

Well, now we know what Lew Rockwell and Thomas Woods thinks. But, as far as Ron Paul goes....

“I have many friends in the libertarian movement who look down on those of us who get involved in political activity,” he acknowledged, but “eventually, if you want to bring about changes … what you have to do is participate in political action.” -- Ron Paul

 

[heavenlyboy34]

So, to you, it's ok to use collectivism to judge a profession, if some in that profession accept government funds for their work? Is that your stance? Funny, I never read that perspective in any of Mises' writings.

"When one gets into bed with government, one must expect the disease it spreads". Ron Paul.

Accepting government funds and being a government agency are entirely different. Your point is fallacious and intellectually dishonest. For example, arts institutions often accept government funding, but have nothing to do with the gov'ment otherwise.

My point is specific to government agencies. Beyond that, we look at things on a case by case basis.

 

[Theocrat]

Go Be a Stooge at Lew's, If This is Your Sentiment

You figure it out.

"Visit LewRockwell.com, an outstanding and crucially important Web site I visit every day." -- Ron Paul.
"THE REVOLUTION, A MANIFESTO" ( page # 158 ), http://www.lewrockwell.com/

"Of course I'm cheering on Ron Paul because he is exposing the nature of the whole system. He is not running for president. He is running against the presidency as it is currently understood. Ultimately, however, I do not believe that politics offers a way out. What we need is a new consciousness concerning the idea of human liberty." -- Lew Rockwell

Then maybe you should relinquish your membership here at Liberty Forest and stick to LewRockwell.com, because this forum is not LewRockwell.com, as much as you would like it to be. We support the principles and work of Congressman Ron Paul, not Lew Rockwell.

 

[LibertyEagle]

So Teachers and Cops are protesting against their insane raises. Rallying for reduction in staff. Demanding free enterprise.

Or, are they just trying to make sure they get theirs.

I know teachers, they know they are on the dole. They don't CARE. They have a cushy job, are overpaid, believe the system cheats student, know it, and do nothing about...

Same with cops. Pension, health care, money, union, guaranteed raises. Screw the taxpayer.

Just judge each person's actions individually; not collectively. Not everyone has the same viewpoints, ya know.

 

[constituent]

I know teachers, they know they are on the dole. They don't CARE. They have a cushy job, are overpaid, believe the system cheats student, know it, and do nothing about...

Yea, the teacher I was with was right there. She also hated the a*hole parents who cared way more about petty, bickering personal shit they had w/ her than actually taking responsibility for their kids' future, that's what really burned her out when you get right down to it. Last few times we talked, she was just like "f* it, whatcha gunna do?" Kind of a shame, she's brilliant and loves the kids individually. But that's how it is, and that's how it has to (needs to) be.

 

[LibertyEagle]

"When one gets into bed with government, one must expect the disease it spreads". Ron Paul.

Accepting government funds and being a government agency are entirely different. Your point is fallacious and intellectually dishonest. For example, arts institutions often accept government funding, but have nothing to do with the gov'ment otherwise.

My point is specific to government agencies. Beyond that, we look at things on a case by case basis.

Oh bullshit. Do you even understand how ridiculous that post of yours, is? RON PAUL himself works for the government. Do you hate him too?

And no, I wasn't being intellectually dishonest at all; I was calling you on your BS. You're the one running around here insulting people for being collectivists, but apparently, you can't manage to adhere to your own supposed principles. Or is it, that you make the rules up as you go?

I called you out on your hypocrisy, yeah, I did. Live with it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Hunh, looks to me like it's Ron's sentiment too.

Nope. Ron is a constitutionalist. Sorry. If you doubt it, ask Lew.