STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[Kludge]

I am a high school government teacher and a Ron Paul supporter. Glad to know that Truth Warrior considers me part of the tyranny.

Woot. I intend to say that in four years

 

[acptulsa]

I have one friend who is a cop and he agrees with me that they are all assholes, he doesn't hang out with any of his co-workers...

Never say never. Also never say 'all' or 'always'.

Your friend agrees with you that he's an asshole. Why do I doubt this? Could it be because instead of hanging around with his coworkers he hangs with you?

 

[Kraig]

Never say never. Also never say 'all' or 'always'.

Your friend agrees with you that he's an asshole. Why do I doubt this? Could it be because instead of hanging around with his coworkers he hangs with you?

We hardly hang out anymore, old friends from highschool but we do keep in touch. My shitty use of language aside, as far as he knows all of his co-workers fit the pig description. No of course not every single cop in Texas, I was just trying to say that the bad cops are NOT the minority, and their reputation precedes them.

I can forgive ignorance and apathy on a personal level up until the ignorant are using violence against me. That is what cops do, that is their job. I really don't think you comprehend what it is like to risk going to jail.

 

[pcosmar]

Warrior Do you want this soldier for the fight of freedom to go away?

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How can you identify the enemy if not by the uniform they wear?

How do I know that the enemy soldier is really a" nice guy" and concerned for my freedom?

YES there is intentional dumbing down of our students, but it is the system that advocates it NOT most of the individual teachers.

False. Most are perpetuating lies. A FEW may be on our side. But they are very few.

 

[BillyDkid]

This issue is being confused. Most teachers as far as I know are very fine individuals and are typical of the cross section of America. Teachers are us and just as we are, they are compelled to work within the system. That doesn't mean that school system who set up ridiculous rules - no touching, zero tolerance and so on - and individual examples of a teacher exibiting that kind of thinking and behavior should not be highlighted. Likewise, there are very fine people working in law enforcement, but examples of individual officers abusing their power over the rest of us should be brought to light. How else can we hope to have this behavior changed across the board without highlights examples of bad police behavior. It's not an indictment of all police and all good police should be happy to see the bad apples exposed.

 

[newbitech]

I don't like the precedent you're trying to start here. Very STATIST of you. Please rethink it. ~hugs~ HB34

was it the, its the system not the individuals line?

That's what is bothering me about this thread. I think this thread is baiting and divisive to be honest. Teachers like the one who posted in this thread have a lot of work to do to get their profession turned around in the eyes of liberty.

Certainly all teachers and schools aren't the worst. We need a fundamental change to the system that starts by getting big government the hell out of it. The people with the largest stake in this battle is held by parents. Schools aren't going to listen to teachers before they listen to their state reps who fund them. However schools would listen to the parents of the kids who fund the states who fund the schools.

So a school teacher in the revolution is not going to be so much concerned with educating the kids are they are going to be concerned with educating the parents. I am not a teacher, but my logic tells me that teachers don't have a big voice in this battle. Therefor, I would assume that it would be in the best interest of the freedom teacher to lay low while on the job, regardless of the criticism of the system and SOME PEOPLES perceived wrongful attack of ALL TEACHERS.

I wouldn't want to fight that as a teacher, and I also think defending an institution is not as important as defending the country.

 

[acptulsa]

I really don't think you comprehend what it is like to risk going to jail.

Oh, come on Kraig. In this day and age, the legal code is such a mess that ignorance of the law is the norm--because no one can remember and understand it all. The way they're passing laws, it's becoming nearly impossible to walk down the sidewalk without violating one or two. Don't think I don't know what those bars look like from the other side.

We're all in the same boat, Kraig. I'm just saying that your friend is proof that there's no such thing as 100%, and that the OP is correct in asserting that we must not discourage that wonderful two percent (or whatever) that are fighting for us!!

 

[Justinjj1]

haha, jesus.

This is my 5th year teaching. I make $31,500 a year to teach kids about the Constitution and the founding fathers. I don't exactly go home and roll around in "stolen loot". I support Ron Paul's position on doing away with the Department of Education and NCLB, but I had no idea a lot of his supporters considered all public education tyrannical. In fact I'm pretty sure most of the founding fathers understood the importance of education to a free society.

 

[bossman068410]

I don't like the precedent you're trying to start here. Very STATIST of you. Please rethink it. ~hugs~ HB34

Lool STATIST

I would love to see the demise of the whole system.
I just don't want to make every individual a BOOGIEMAN.
How do you expect to bring in supporters if you make them as this evil creature?

Could you describe what precident you feel im trying to make?

 

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[Minarchy4Sale]

Ill stop criticizing teachers and cops when they stop behaving like communists and nazis.

 

[newbitech]

We hardly hang out anymore, old friends from highschool but we do keep in touch. My shitty use of language aside, as far as he knows all of his co-workers fit the pig description. No of course not every single cop in Texas, I was just trying to say that the bad cops are NOT the minority, and their reputation precedes them.

I can forgive ignorance and apathy on a personal level up until the ignorant are using violence against me. That is what cops do, that is their job. I really don't think you comprehend what it is like to risk going to jail.

Violence on the physical level = Cops
Violence on the philosophical level = Teachers
Violence on the psychological level = Cops + Teachers
Cops + Teachers = THE SYSTEM

Teacher teach us that the system (AKA authority) is here to help us
Cops prove teacher wrong. This is a vicious cycle that starts at the elementary level. As adults, our experience with Cops teach us one way or another that the teacher was right, even tho the evidence of our cognitive dissonance proves the teacher was wrong. Yet thru the pressures of society and this massive societal cognitive dissonance we continue to trust our kids in the hands of a tyrannical system and pay for it thru our hard work.

 

[Kraig]

Oh, come on Kraig. In this day and age, the legal code is such a mess that ignorance of the law is the norm--because no one can remember and understand it all. The way they're passing laws, it's becoming nearly impossible to walk down the sidewalk without violating one or two. Don't think I don't know what those bars look like from the other side.

We're all in the same boat, Kraig. I'm just saying that your friend is proof that there's no such thing as 100%, and that the OP is correct in asserting that we must not discourage that wonderful two percent (or whatever) that are fighting for us!!

Well some laws are enforced more than others, I think you would agree. I agree that there is no such thing as 100% (with sterotypes on groups of people), but I still can't afford to trust them in most cases. If they do want my trust or respect, step one is convincing me that they see the violence and tyranny commited on a daily basis by cops and that they agree it is blantently obvious and blatently out of control. Step two is convincing me that they will take no part in it. At that point I can trust that they won't pull a gun on me and once we reach that point a rational and friendly relationship is possible.

As long as they wear the uniform, the ball is in the court and I will avoid them at all costs until they make the extra effort. It's not worth the risk.

 

[Dr.3D]

haha, jesus.

This is my 5th year teaching. I make $31,500 a year to teach kids about the Constitution and the founding fathers. I don't exactly go home and roll around in "stolen loot". I support Ron Paul's position on doing away with the Department of Education and NCLB, but I had no idea a lot of his supporters considered all public education tyrannical. In fact I'm pretty sure most of the founding fathers understood the importance of education to a free society.

Well, there is a fine line between education and indoctrination. The instructor should be very careful to consider the motives of those who push the governments indoctrination agenda through the educational materials they provide.

I believe education and government should be as separate as church and state.

An instructor should be on the look out for indoctrination and exclude it from the education they are supposed to provide. They should also be aware of the indoctrination they were exposed to when they went through school to get their degree to teach.

 

[Kraig]

Violence on the physical level = Cops
Violence on the philosophical level = Teachers
Violence on the psychological level = Cops + Teachers
Cops + Teachers = THE SYSTEM

Teacher teach us that the system (AKA authority) is here to help us
Cops prove teacher wrong. This is a vicious cycle that starts at the elementary level. As adults, our experience with Cops teach us one way or another that the teacher was right, even tho the evidence of our cognitive dissonance proves the teacher was wrong. Yet thru the pressures of society and this massive societal cognitive dissonance we continue to trust our kids in the hands of a tyrannical system and pay for it thru our hard work.

See I don't have kids and I didn't go through the public school system so teachers have done me no personal harm. If I did have kids and I sent them through the system, I would have to blame myself 100% for it's failings and not the teacher. I blame the government for taxing me to pay for schools I will never use, but once again it's not the teachers doing this.

 

[newbitech]

haha, jesus.

This is my 5th year teaching. I make $31,500 a year to teach kids about the Constitution and the founding fathers. I don't exactly go home and roll around in "stolen loot". I support Ron Paul's position on doing away with the Department of Education and NCLB, but I had no idea a lot of his supporters considered all public education tyrannical. In fact I'm pretty sure most of the founding fathers understood the importance of education to a free society.

B.S. now they start coming out of the woodwork. I am so sick of the attacks. Why don't you try being honest in this debate.


Its not tyrannical its a waste of my frigging money and is so broken as to be completely unworthy of my support or even consideration thereof.

I respect Liberty lovers, I do not respect public educators in general, not because of any personal issue, but because of the CONTENT and premise under which they teach.

I don't think the liberty movement needs constitutional teachers. I think constitutional teacher need the liberty movement. If these so called teachers who pop up out of nowhere to defend the profession are really part of the liberty movement, I am going to need to see more posting by them in non divisive threads and in support of other efforts to back the movement.

This entire thread is ridiculous and the premise is completely weak and unsupported. Not worthy of further debate IMO.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Lool STATIST

I would love to see the demise of the whole system.
I just don't want to make every individual a BOOGIEMAN.
How do you expect to bring in supporters if you make them as this evil creature?

Could you describe what precident you feel im trying to make?

I was referring specifically to this-

"DO NOT CAST the first stone at teachers if you

EVER had a government job
EVER took a government back student loan
EVER use the post office
EVER went on unemployment
EVER used a public park
EVER bla bla bla........"

This argument automatically kills most attempts at "reform" that RP and his ilk desire because most "reformers" fit into these categories. It kind of reminds me of people who used to lecture me about how I shouldn't disagree with the government because they "keep me safe" and "provide for my general welfare".

You're basically spinning an "appeal to authority" fallacy (like a good little Statist would).

 

[Deborah K]

I agree with the OP.
Really too many here are intent on making everyone their enemy. If everyone is your enemy, you'll have no friends and one hell of a big army to fight against alone.

I agree. A lot of people on this forum are way too paranoid and way too exclusive. If you don't fit their exact mold of what a Ron Paul supporter should be, then you are the enemy! We can't afford to be turning people with open minds away.

 

[bossman068410]

B.S. now they start coming out of the woodwork. I am so sick of the attacks. Why don't you try being honest in this debate.


Its not tyrannical its a waste of my frigging money and is so broken as to be completely unworthy of my support or even consideration thereof.

I respect Liberty lovers, I do not respect public educators in general, not because of any personal issue, but because of the CONTENT and premise under which they teach.

I don't think the liberty movement needs constitutional teachers. I think constitutional teacher need the liberty movement. If these so called teachers who pop up out of nowhere to defend the profession are really part of the liberty movement, I am going to need to see more posting by them in non divisive threads and in support of other efforts to back the movement.

This entire thread is ridiculous and the premise is completely weak and unsupported. Not worthy of further debate IMO.

You catch more flies with Honey.....
What premise do you feel is weak?

 

[newbitech]

You catch more flies with Honey.....
What premise do you feel is weak?

That one.

If you didn't have stinking rotting garbage stacked up around your house, you wouldn't be worried about catching damn flies.

TAKE OUT THE TRASH!