Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oathkeepers, was right about federal gov't attacking Bundy Ranch

[William Tell]

Bump

Good idea.

 

[Deborah K]

Stewart, do you know anything about all the land Harry Reid owns around the Bundy Ranch? Here's and article with parcel numbers, etc. http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2...his-why-bundy-ranch-was-targeted-2618310.html

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Get anti-NDAA resolution drives going in your town halls and county commissions and use those as a springboard to develop Community Preparedness teams. It could make all the difference if things escalate in your neck of the woods:

http://pandaunite.org/takeback

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/10...ming-special-civilization-preservation-teams/

 

[Dan Shielding]

Thugs with overwhelming fire power stepping in to enforce a political misadventure and agenda that is opposite the will of the people and serve only the interest of the dictators for whom these thugs operate.

Amen!

One question: What is "the will of the people?" Doesn't each individual have a unique will? Hopefully there are some values most decent human beings share... love, peace, justice, reduce human suffering, don't murder, don't rape, don't steal, etc. But clearly, many of our government handlers and their beneficiaries don't agree.

 

[JK/SEA]

Amen!

One question: What is "the will of the people?" Doesn't each individual have a unique will? Hopefully there are some values most decent human beings share... love, peace, justice, reduce human suffering, don't murder, don't rape, don't steal, etc. But clearly, many of our government handlers and their beneficiaries don't agree.

i would refer you to the Constitution and Bill of Rights for your answer.

 

[Dan Shielding]

i would refer you to the Constitution and Bill of Rights for your answer.

Thanks for the suggestion. I've read them before. Just did a search and couldn't find the phrase "will of the people" in either document. If you're saying the will of the people is whatever elected representatives do within the confines of the constitution I'd have to disagree. I don't think a representative can know my will, even if I vote, and aren't I a member of "the people?"

Any chance someone could define "will of the people" in their own words?

I suppose it could refer to all the needs and desires of all individuals within a country. In that case it would include many contradictions.

Or it could refer to only those needs and desires that are shared by all, which like I said, amounts to virtually zero.

Or it could refer to those needs and desires that a majority share. This could include those wonderful things I mentioned like peace, justice, reduced suffering, no murder, etc. Personally I believe the will of the people, defined this way, is expressed adequately through our voluntary purchases in the free market. I'm actually a big fan of this definition.

Or the "will of the people" could anthropomorphize an entire population, treating it as if it had a single personality and a single mind. Of course that wouldn't reflect reality. But sometimes I get the feeling people have been conditioned to think this way.

As you probably know, freedom requires us to see and treat human beings as unique individuals. That's why one-size-fits-all central planning doesn't work. I fear that words and phrases like "we" "us" "Americans" "the will of the people" "them" etc. used loosely to describe large groups of people, provides a path to collectivist thinking. And I know y'all love individual freedom like I do, right?

By the way, I love this discussion. Love the Bundy's and their supporters. I find these times to be very exciting. Thanks for this outlet and resource!

 

[JK/SEA]

The Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution represents the 'Will of the People' or...WE THE PEOPLE.

 

[Dan Shielding]

Sorry for the digression. To get back on topic...

Thank you for introducing me to Stewart Rhodes. What an inspiration. I was familiar with Oath Keepers but not familiar with their recent efforts to prepare local communities. Came across the following web page. What an excellent strategy!

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/10...ming-special-civilization-preservation-teams/

They invite comments so you can add your own input.

I agree with him. Having a well-equipped, well-trained, well-prepared community of local support would be invaluable. In the event of a government threat, you could still send out a call for help to surrounding areas as the Bundy's and their supporters did so effectively. But this way, you'd be a lot more prepared and you would have a well-prepared team your familiar with helping you out with no need to rely on strangers some of which you may not be able to fully trust.

What do you guys think of this plan laid out by oath keepers?

 

[Deborah K]

Sorry for the digression. To get back on topic...

Thank you for introducing me to Stewart Rhodes. What an inspiration. I was familiar with Oath Keepers but not familiar with their recent efforts to prepare local communities. Came across the following web page. What an excellent strategy!

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/10...ming-special-civilization-preservation-teams/

They invite comments so you can add your own input.

I agree with him. Having a well-equipped, well-trained, well-prepared community of local support would be invaluable. In the event of a government threat, you could still send out a call for help to surrounding areas as the Bundy's and their supporters did so effectively. But this way, you'd be a lot more prepared and you would have a well-prepared team your familiar with helping you out with no need to rely on strangers some of which you may not be able to fully trust.

What do you guys think of this plan laid out by oath keepers?

Welcome, Dan. I am in favor of just about everything Stewart proposes. I have a great deal of respect for him and his accomplishments.