Stewart Rhodes, founder of Oathkeepers, was right about federal gov't attacking Bundy Ranch

[squarepusher]

This isn't vindication or proof, just another person saying they "heard" something.

 

[JK/SEA]

one question. Did Rhodes leave because he was afraid of a military strike on their heads...or did he leave because he was just pissed?...if he left out of fear, it seems to me most of us going into something like the Bundy Ranch would expect some kind of attack from the Government...but thats just me...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Indeed, he is vindicated (I notice some have ignored this point). Too bad for all the dirt flinging; sad to say - that will never change.

I hadn't heard about the dirt flinging, but it is all too common.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Why Washington Free Beacon?

Because they've put several Bill Gertz interviews on their You Tube Channel.

Washington Free Beacon is one of the newer neoconservative outlets. Seems they are trying to build some street cred.

A word of warning...

Be very aware and careful The Washington Free Beacon is a covert Washington Lobbying Firm for Israel and Military Industrial Complex.

 

[Deborah K]

This isn't vindication or proof, just another person saying they "heard" something.

Gertz is a little more than "just another person". He's the National Security columnist for the Washington Times. And Fox is a major news station that gets a lot of coverage. I'd say it's pretty weighty. Rhodes claimed to have intel that the fedgov was going to attack. Gertz confirmed it yesterday. I doubt he even knows Rhodes. That means you have two people, unrelated to each other, saying the same thing.

 

[Deborah K]

A word of warning...

Be very aware and careful The Washington Free Beacon is a covert Washington Lobbying Firm for Israel and Military Industrial Complex.

I don't care about the Beacon. I only care that they have posted several Gertz interviews in the past. I've asked them to post this interview.

 

[Deborah K]

one question. Did Rhodes leave because he was afraid of a military strike on their heads...or did he leave because he was just pissed?...if he left out of fear, it seems to me most of us going into something like the Bundy Ranch would expect some kind of attack from the Government...but thats just me...

Vegas Patriot would probably know better than I, but my guess is, it was both. And the self-proclaimed head of the militia threatened Rhodes as well.

 

[nobody's_hero]

In some ways, I felt like the militia's extended presence at Bundy Ranch was sort of over-doing it. After a while, it became easier for folks to claim that the militia was 'itching for a fight', which I don't think was the case, even on the day of the stand-off. They were there that day, if needed, and it turns out they were needed (because only an equal force was able to push the BLM back), but staying there at the ranch when Bundy himself didn't feel like they were needed anymore was probably stretching the public-sentiment of support they gained during the cattle reclamation.

Of course, the militia did more than just 'dig in' during the following weeks. They helped account for missing cattle, which saved the Bundy family a lot of riding through the desert counting corpses. So there's more to the militia than just holding a rifle.

On the other hand, I imagine they felt safer knowing they were all together. I still worry that once they all return to their separate lives that the arrests (or worse) will start.

 

[Tod]

Does anyone here believe that the administration would not use drones because their use would be "wrong", as opposed to just being at most a less-than-the best approach to achieving total control? Please raise your hand if you think any sort of moral sense would restrain them.
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I didn't think so.

 

[oldietech]

all semantics. seriously, does it matter if FORCE is technically brought by one of the armed service branches of the DoD or another branch of the federal government?

sure it MIGHT have been alarming to see the official "ARMY" roll up into the desert. but what IS most definitely alarming is the blurring of the traditional lines between armed forces and police in the United States.

And of course the debate on whether or not the "military" was to be used to resolve the conflict is nothing more than a facade for what is really taking place withing the Federal Bureaucracy. All branches are becoming militarized, and this push is wedging it's way all the way down to the local levels.

It's not just that these agencies are arming up with warfare type equipment. It's also the policies, training, rules of engagement, philosophy, mindset, source of authority, brotherhood, social perceptions, and culture that are being dictated and passed down from on high.

The military junta of the United States has reached the 4 corners of the earth, and outer space, and is now naturally folding in on itself, unchecked. All the while, we sit here and debate and act like there is some difference between the "official" recognition of who/what is considered military action.

The end result is the same. Thugs with overwhelming fire power stepping in to enforce a political misadventure and agenda that is opposite the will of the people and serve only the interest of the dictators for whom these thugs operate.

 

[tod evans]

Drones..........Burnt babies........Murdered homeless...........


Ho-hum who's on dancing with the starz?

Is my free food card reloaded yet?

 

[Pericles]

Yeah, I lost a little faith in the militia after that.

Some militia guys really do fit the stereotype, that is why the smear is effective. The militias need better leaders than those who have as primary skill the ability to elbow everyone else out of the way to assume "command".

 

[Pericles]

Vegas Patriot would probably know better than I, but my guess is, it was both. And the self-proclaimed head of the militia threatened Rhodes as well.

It was an attempt to reposition in order to be where the anticipated strike was not. Given the lack of cohesive effort there (various cliques struggling against each other for supremacy), any action gets spun negatively by the other cliques.

 

[JK/SEA]

hmmmm...well, either way, it was a good practice run. Hope the 'kinks' get worked out, but running from an event like Bundy's still has me puzzled. Why go if you think you might get droned...makes no sense...

 

[Deborah K]

hmmmm...well, either way, it was a good practice run. Hope the 'kinks' get worked out, but running from an event like Bundy's still has me puzzled. Why go if you think you might get droned...makes no sense...

The intel came during the protest, right after the confrontation. I think it would be pretty stupid to hang around knowing the military was about to pull a Waco.

 

[JK/SEA]

The intel came during the protest, right after the confrontation. I think it would be pretty stupid to hang around knowing the military was about to pull a Waco.

i'm not a vet, but if an event like this getting the attention it got with regards to militia, i would expect BIG government push back. Are you telling me the militia and Oathkeepers didn't have a concern with being lit up from the get go?....hard to believe....Just good tactical sense...but what do i know. Just glad it went as well as it did.

 

[Deborah K]

i'm not a vet, but if an event like this getting the attention it got with regards to militia, i would expect BIG government push back. Are you telling me the militia and Oathkeepers didn't have a concern with being lit up from the get go?....hard to believe....Just good tactical sense...but what do i know. Just glad it went as well as it did.

I can't speak for any of them, so this is just speculation, but I'm sure it was on their minds the whole time. They knew what they were risking. But, the fact that it got media attention probably gave some assurance that the fedgov wouldn't light the place up - given that the militia, etc. was ready to go to battle - and the public was watching.

But, once the intel came in, the game changed, and so strategy had to change too.

 

[Deborah K]

No video of the interview yet, but this article by Gertz confirms what is in the OP:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-outlines-obamas-policy-t/?page=all#pagebreak

U.S. official said the Obama administration considered but rejected deploying military force under the directive during the recent standoff with Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and his armed supporters.

Mr. Bundy is engaged in a legal battle with the federal Bureau of Land Management over unpaid grazing fees. Along with a group of protesters, Mr. Bundy in April confronted federal and local authorities in a standoff that ended when the authorities backed down.

 

[Pericles]

i'm not a vet, but if an event like this getting the attention it got with regards to militia, i would expect BIG government push back. Are you telling me the militia and Oathkeepers didn't have a concern with being lit up from the get go?....hard to believe....Just good tactical sense...but what do i know. Just glad it went as well as it did.

The OK plan was to shift positions. The untrained like to sit on the top of a hill because it is easy to see all around, but that is not where the trained soldier sets up shop, because it is an obvious target location. If you can see them from the hilltop, they can see you on the hilltop.

 

[Deborah K]

The OK plan was to shift positions. The untrained like to sit on the top of a hill because it is easy to see all around, but that is not where the trained soldier sets up shop, because it is an obvious target location. If you can see them from the hilltop, they can see you on the hilltop.

Dood, I cordially invite you to move where we're going to be when we get off the grid.