Starting to think we won't win

Therion

Therion

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Let me just spill my brains here. Right now, probably 95% of libertarians and paleo-conservatives support Ron Paul. And we're only at 2% in scientific polls. Sure RP's got $5million now, but he's not getting donation nearly fast enough, even at a million a month, and once his grassroots run out of cash he'll start slowing down in his contributions. We could get independants to register Republican, but how many actually will? There won't be big numbers there. What needs to happen is we need to start taking back brainwashed neocons into the fold. Problem with that is, they'll need lots of propoganda to break down their propoganda. They'll get that from the msm, and the msm needs to start covering Ron Paul more. But the media will only cover Ron Paul when he has significant support, which will only happen when the MSM starts covering Ron Paul. Sure, we could take New Hampshire or Iowa, and that would get us attention, but to do that we actually need support first, and until then it's just wish furl thinking. Unless we push really hard, right now, and get a significant boost, before Eff Thompson gets in and eats up all the media time, Ron Paul won't have a chance.

What do you think?
 
I think a NH or Iowa victory will be like lighting a match to a gas soaked elecorate.
Plus, 5 million is a whole lot of money for the way Paul's campaign is being run, that probably equates to 20 million for anyone else.

think positive
 
I'm not afraid!

I'm not worried about that, yes I think alot of the energy has come from libertarians, who never felt like they could win anything before suddenly feeling like there was a shot, which I think there definitely still is and we should not be throwing in the towel. I hate to say it, but the crappy news about Iraq I think continues to pump more energy into his campaign each day, which is a travesty that I hope will end soon, before we get sucked up into Iran(!!), which I think will make anyone on the fence about supporting radical change jump into our camp.

Plus, I definitely think what attention has been focused on Ron Paul in the media has been generally good, refreshing, and needed in our crazy modern times.
 
I think that if we continue with grassroots efforts, the people that we convert will then go on to convert more and more people, until it reaches critical mass. We don't need the MSM to win this election for us. Look at it this way, there are 30,000 myspace members, if each of them converts three people thats 120,000 for Ron Paul. If each of the new 90,000 convert three (it can just be their family, they don't even have to leave home), thats 390,000. The next level is over 1 million. If we do our part, then Ron Paul will win. The only thing stopping us is people not knowing about him. And anyway, Ron Paul's positions need more than a three minute MSM spot to explain. Something like talking to someone on the side of the road for thirty minutes, and then directing them to YouTube, the campaign website, and all the other great resources out there. The neocon vote is divided into four sections. This is classic divide and conquer.
 
Get off your computer, get out of your house and go pass out some flyers.

We are just getting started son.
 
There's way more paleo-conservatives than that. Ron Paul may not have all of them yet, but he can get them, if we get his message out. Some are still hung up on the whole foreign policy deal.... they need to know that Dr. Paul is not some kind of wimp. Some of them are wrongly thinking that right now, because all they've heard is pull the troops out. They haven't heard what he would actually do to go after bin Laden for example, or what he would do if someone attacked us and how his approach would in fact make us much safer and actually increase our national defense.

Look, in my opinion, if you're getting bummed out, the best thing to do is to print out some flyers and head out to the mall putting them under every car's windshield wipe. Maybe tomorrow, start visiting a few of your neighbors and handing out literature and talking to them about this great man.

All we can do is what we can do, but there is absolutely no reason that we can't win. Keep in mind that with Thompson entering the race, the Republicans are going to be further divided.
 
We probably won't win. But what matters is that we have a chance. Has anyone here every read the book The Moon is a Harsh Mistress? It's a libertarian sci-fi novel about a small group of people living on a Lunar colony who orchestrate a revolution against the government imposed on them by Earth. What first prompts them to revolt is when a computer calculates there odds of succeeding to be 1 in 7, with assurances that it will get worse as the revolution progresses. It's the same situation we're facing: the chances of winning aren't great, but it's entirely worth it.
 
"Plus, 5 million is a whole lot of money for the way Paul's campaign is being run, that probably equates to 20 million for anyone else."
Click to expand...

I read elsewhere on the board that this number is probably not accurate.
 
if everybody thinks like you then competition would not exist. boring.
keep you hopes and fight till the end boy.
 
Dude... WE are going to kick some serious ass!

Remember... I was a Liberal Democrat! But here I am. My wife too. Joining the GOP was like selling our souls. But Dr. Paul is the political salvation of this country.

The writing is on the wall for the NeoCons. "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin"

America is Rising. Be Joyous. Dont dispair.

Just look at the intellect and skills of the people right here on this board.

ALL UNITED in the Cause that is the Constitution... and Ron Paul.

It's beautiful thing.

"We're on a mission fron God" (Blues Brothers)

These people will never know WHAT hit them.

Revolution! :cool:
 
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One of the main reasons a lot of us love Dr. Paul is because of his stance on the Constitution, right? Well, remember that group of people who had the balls to fight against the entire British army and actually WON? That stock is still in our blood and it's time we remembered it.

The difference between Dr. Paul's supporters and all of the rest is we've got heartfelt conviction. We're well aware of what is going on in our country and the world and we know that we must pull out all the stops to get him elected. So, if any of us start getting worried or bummed out about what we're up against, and we surely will at times, I suggest we turn it around and double our efforts. We've got to get beyond the internet and take his message out into the neighborhoods of America.

Chin up. We can win, but we've got to get busy!!!
 
The first priority should be to get him through the primary of course.

We need to go on the offensive and begin to show the conservatives why Rudy McRomney are not actual conservatives.

One of the best way to do this is to spread links to quotes and videos of Rudy McRomney making blatantly liberal statements.
 
polls are going to look bleak for a long time - ignore them for now.

First, they game them from the start. Next, they are inadequate at guaging new voters, voters changing parties, and tech voters. And lastly, most American's haven't even began looking into the candidates - an unknown guy is going to lag for that reason alone.

If we can give Ron Paul a respectable showing in the Iowa straw poll, the momentum swing will make the debates look like a mere blip.

The problem is the front running Rino's may be officially staying out of Iowa but that doesn't stop them from doing things to increase voter participation. I believe it only means they won't personally be present for the straw poll.
 
Quantumystic...

Hey, nice to meet you, man. I'm I guess what you would call a paleo-con, or a traditional conservative. No neocon BS for me, thank you very much.

Only a man like Dr. Paul could truly unite people across the entire political spectrum.
 
Therion said:
Let me just spill my brains here. Unless we push really hard, right now, and get a significant boost, before Eff Thompson gets in and eats up all the media time, Ron Paul won't have a chance.

What do you think?
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Remember 1776? A whole bunch of crazy guys signed their names to a piece of parchment??? They knew the odds were long, and that they'd be executed as traitors if they lost, but they did it anyway. Why?

Because freedom is worth it.

We may not win, but if we don't, you'll know you stood up for the the republic and liberty against the tide....
 
Just had a funny "visual"...

"Dr. NO, and the NeoCons"
who.bmp
 
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