Speculation Mounts That Ron Paul Will Launch Third Party Presidential Bid On Tuesday’s Ton

[octojofo]

if he runs as an Indy we'll be doing the 1 thing I think is the most destructive thing possible- splitting ourselves into two minorities with 1 part supporting Johnson and the other part supporting Ron.

I really don't see Johnson getting ANY votes at all if Ron Paul ran separately. I think even Johnson himself would probably vote for Ron Paul! (He might even step down entirely.)

However, I am having a hard time believing Paul is going to do anything at all on Leno but be a guest. Unfortunately.

 

[Carlybee]

Nice strawman. There is of course a synergystic relationship and co-dependency between the Campaign and the grassroots.

Um there is no campaign anymore unless there is a 3rd party run

 

[CPUd]

You obviously have not been paying attention to what we did in Minnesota, Iowa, and a few other states. Even Senator Kyl from AZ was quoted as saying "those Ron Paul people control the Party in my state".

If you can't see that we are trending upward and making huge headway then you aren't paying attention. Next time we'll do even better, that is of course as long as people don't quit and give up between now and then.

It's because the bulk of the press and youtube videos lately have been about RP delegates getting screwed. People need more positive propaganda these days.

 

[Matt Collins]

Last I checked, RP's campaign didn't run a single television ad against Mitt Romney to help Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich win a state. They did just that for Mitt Romney in Michigan. Last I checked, I didn't hear Mitt Romney's name mentioned in insulting ways at Ron Paul's rally in Florida, but I did hear jabs at Rick Santorum.

Actually the Campaign did attack Mitt several times. But political strategy 101 - there is only so much conservative oxygen or spectrum available, so you go after the person who is most occupying that space. In this case it was Santorum. Going after people who were going to support Romney made no sense because those people would NEVER support Ron. Many of the Santorum voters were indeed sympathetic to Ron.

Or, I'm founded in reality and I look at numbers, and I know your general zombie voters pretty well? You can double, triple, even quadruple the popular vote totals RP got this time, and Rand (or whoever) will still not have enough to take out the winner, assuming the Republican nominee in 2016 gets more than 9 million votes just like McCain and Romney did, and assuming the "chosen one" doesn't outperform McCain and Romney.

Ron Paul received fewer popular votes than Rick Santorum AND Newt Gingrich this time. We already know that it doesn't matter how many delegates you get, the RNC will do as they please. They have firewalls in place to protect the system.

You don't need a majority to win.

 

[Matt Collins]

LOL, or we can base this in reality. The system has firewalls. They will NEVER allow it to be infiltrated in any significant way. If push comes to shove, they will simply introduce a third party into the U.S. with MAJOR funding behind it, and completely wipe any chances of success. The third party ticket can be used both ways, for our benefit and for our harm.

Your defeatist attitude is not welcome here.

Besides, if enough people get involved, they simply can't stop us because we outnumber them. This has already been proven in places like Iowa and Minnesota, and others.

 

[Matt Collins]

Beep, wrong answer. The official campaign for the most part sucks. I know you were part of it and think differently, but any unbiased objective person can see the official campaign for the most part sucked.

What Ron Paul won was solely due to the grassroots and Ron Paul himself, the official campaign for the most part only hindered the accomplishments of the grassroots and did little to nothing to help Ron Paul win.

Your perspective is very biased and childish.

 

[phill4paul]

Nice strawman. There is of course a synergystic relationship and co-dependency between the Campaign and the grassroots.

Of course. Thank you for allowing us that much. I don't know what got into me.

 

[parocks]

Beep, wrong answer. The official campaign for the most part sucks. I know you were part of it and think differently, but any unbiased objective person can see the official campaign for the most part sucked.

What Ron Paul won was solely due to the grassroots and Ron Paul himself, the official campaign for the most part only hindered the accomplishments of the grassroots and did little to nothing to help Ron Paul win.

Oh, no, the grassroots sucked this year, the official campaign was good. Maine was Official Campaign.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Julie Borowski Julie Borowski ‏@JulieBorowski

CONFIRMED: Ron Paul will not be making a special announcement on Jay Leno tonight. Just a normal but awesome interview.

The latest from Evan Cutler from Alaska...

"I have it on high authority with the Libertarian Campaign that they are open to Dr. Paul as VP, and will poll their state organizers, leaders and executive committee to make sure there is agreement, should Dr. Paul accept our plea"

 

[wgadget]

Remember: WE ARE THE UNDECIDED

 

[TheGrinch]

Julie Borowski Julie Borowski ‏@JulieBorowski

CONFIRMED: Ron Paul will not be making a special announcement on Jay Leno tonight. Just a normal but awesome interview.

See Collins, my hopes aren't down. I knew not to take what that person from Alaska said as gospel, I'm just pissed at all those who claimed he was going to make a special announcement, whatever it was supposed to be. That was the part that was believable, and the rest was just speculation.

However, who knows what to believe right now, because there are clearly sharks in the water trying to throw out misinformation, whoever they may be.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

See Collins, my hopes aren't down. I knew not to take what that person from Alaska said as gospel, I'm just pissed at all those who claimed he was going to make a special announcement, whatever it was supposed to be. That was the part that was believable, and the rest was just speculation.

However, who knows what to believe right now, because there are clearly sharks in the water trying to throw out misinformation, whoever they may be.

You forgot to quote the second half:

The latest from Evan Cutler from Alaska...

"I have it on high authority with the Libertarian Campaign that they are open to Dr. Paul as VP, and will poll their state organizers, leaders and executive committee to make sure there is agreement, should Dr. Paul accept our plea"

At no time during the call did Evan say Paul was going to announce on Leno's show. He was quite aware that Dr. Paul would have to be petitioned and talked into it. And that this process would probably take more than 2 days.

-t

 

[coffeewithgames]

Your defeatist attitude is not welcome here.

Besides, if enough people get involved, they simply can't stop us because we outnumber them. This has already been proven in places like Iowa and Minnesota, and others.

You have been working for the RP campaign haven't you. LOL, did you get a job with the RNC? Any attitude you don't like, isn't welcome? It has been proven, through the RNC, they will do WHATEVER they can to protect the system. EVEN if that means ignoring their own rules. It doesn't matter if you take over 50 states, unless you have a candidate that is ready to run third party when treated like trash within the GOP/RNC, they will continue to do as they do.

"defeatist" these days seems to be ones that bring facts/history/actions/non-actions up in conversations. Either the RNC ignored RP delegates, or they didn't. Either they steamrolled them with a campaign basically sitting by in silence, or they didn't. Even after showing up in Tampa, and showing up at the convention, what happened? Did RP get a speech? Did he get nominated?

So, how is stating what was/wasn't accomplished "defeatist"? Unless we are trying to have delusions of grandeur around here or something? BTW, thanks for the "neg" rep, based on your "neg" reps it seems to be applied when you agree with points I bring up, not because a point is actually wrong.

 

[coffeewithgames]

Actually the Campaign did attack Mitt several times.

Can you provide me the tv ad you're talking about, where they attacked only Mitt Romney? Last I checked, they used every opportunity to defend Mitt Romney, or only glaze over him and the others in an attack ad on all three. They never released a single tv attack ad on Mitt Romney, like they did of Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum.

If we need any further proof the campaign was being used to defend Mitt Romney, let's check out their Etch-A-Sketch ad:


Instead of using that opportunity as Gingrich and Santorum did to pounce on Romney, the campaign used it for what? To help show Rick Santorum and Gingrich weren't serious? We already know at that point, the campaign had decided NOT to attack Mitt Romney.

 

[TheGrinch]

You forgot to quote the second half:

The latest from Evan Cutler from Alaska...

"I have it on high authority with the Libertarian Campaign that they are open to Dr. Paul as VP, and will poll their state organizers, leaders and executive committee to make sure there is agreement, should Dr. Paul accept our plea"

At no time during the call did Evan say Paul was going to announce on Leno's show. He was quite aware that Dr. Paul would have to be petitioned and talked into it. And that this process would probably take more than 2 days.

-t

Gotcha, I'm just saying that I'm still not sure who I can believe at this point when it comes to rumors, but it's clear that at very least, whoever said Ron was going to make a special announcement (not even necessarily this one, but an announcement) were probably completely full of it.

As for petitioning Dr. Paul to do it if he's up for it, hell yeah, I'm still on board with that.

A while back I said that the only way Dr. Paul would run 3rd party was if it could become known to the public just how bad the RNC and state parties treated us. I think we have reached that point, to where any good-hearted American should be able to see why we felt we were pushed to have to do this.

I think it'd be worth every bit of the potential blowback. It's alot harder for them to sling mud, when your interests are clean.

 

[rp08orbust]

Gotcha, I'm just saying that I'm still not sure who I can believe at this point when it comes to rumors, but it's clear that at very least, whoever said Ron was going to make a special announcement (not even necessarily this one, but an announcement) were probably completely full of it.

The first reference to an "announcement" that I remember is a thread started by Matt Collins asking, what would Ron Paul announce on Jay Leno's show?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

The latest from Evan Cutler from Alaska...

"I have it on high authority with the Libertarian Campaign that they are open to Dr. Paul as VP, and will poll their state organizers, leaders and executive committee to make sure there is agreement, should Dr. Paul accept our plea"

I posted my letter to LP party memberts on the facebook page.

The letter posted can be viewed here : http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...uesday’s-Ton&p=4628149&viewfull=1#post4628149

 

[sailingaway]

See Collins, my hopes aren't down. I knew not to take what that person from Alaska said as gospel, I'm just pissed at all those who claimed he was going to make a special announcement, whatever it was supposed to be. That was the part that was believable, and the rest was just speculation.

However, who knows what to believe right now, because there are clearly sharks in the water trying to throw out misinformation, whoever they may be.

the announcement part I didn't believe at ALL, it started with Matt Collins starting a thread here to speculate. There was noone but him saying there would be an announcement.

 

[sailingaway]

I posted my letter to LP party memberts on the facebook page.

The letter posted can be viewed here : http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...uesday’s-Ton&p=4628149&viewfull=1#post4628149

No way should Ron accept VP imho. It would be an incredible demotion and he wouldn't get in the debates because only Gary would be polled and Gary gets 1%.

 

[TheGrinch]

The first reference to an "announcement" that I remember is a thread started by Matt Collins asking, what would Ron Paul announce on Jay Leno's show?

Are you shitting me!!!

Now I know why Collins is taking even more heat than he normally does.

See what happens when you start rumors Collins? It was actually you that I'm pissed at right now. Time will tell if the other rumor becomes verified or not, but I'm now fully on board us trying. I seee far mroe positive than negative. We have a kickass grassroots PR division here (some campaign excluded )