Speculation Mounts That Ron Paul Will Launch Third Party Presidential Bid On Tuesday’s Ton

[Margo37]

Ron and Jay will have a nice chat about the election and maybe touch on the RNC. That's all it is.

Afraid I agree with this much as I'd love to hear otherwise.

 

[american.swan]

Also, maybe Ron Paul realized his initial strategy of clinging to the Republicans (despite not agreeing with them on anything) and trying to change it from within was an error too? The Romney threats, GOP cheating, GOP lying, GOP changing the rules, etc. I tried to warn many people what was going to happen. Are your blinders off now?

I knew that. You knew that. The question is can we overcome?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I put this in another thread but it fell off into oblivion...

I would like for a LP member to send this to Gary and the LP Chairman with a preface from that member:
Anyone willing?

Dear Libertarian Party Members,

There has been a lot of noise about Ron Paul lately. And the most recent has been about Ron becoming the VP or Presidential candidate for the LP. We, Ron Paul supporters, believe in the man, and many, if not most, of you do too.

We have no right, as you already know, to barge in and take over your party. We just don't. All of you have taken your time and resources to bring your party to the point it is at. You have voted, you have given your voice for the available candidates. It is done.

I can't speak for all of the Ron Paul supporters, but I believe that I do speak in a manner that is acceptable to many of them in this plea.

Most of you have been following what has happened to Paul supporters at county conventions, state conventions and the RNC. The county and state conventions showed us how petty and ruthless individuals can be to hold on to their entrenched positions. But what occured at the RNC was atrocious malfeasance. It was, in your face, "we can do whatever we please". Rules were created on the fly to prevent the honest work of countless numbers of persons from succeeding.

Our country is at stake. You know this as well as I, and some of you, perhaps more so. I can see no recourse for us, as individuals, but to gather our persons together as a unit to prevent what we all know in our hearts to be heading our way, whether it is Obama or Romney at the head of our country. Obama's record is known, and if re-elected has nothing, but historical illusions, to lose. Romney has a controverial past as governor, but a more menacing present, when taking into account what he performed with the RNC. If that is any indication as to what his performance would be as president, I don't want any of it.

I'm asking you to consider, for all of our sakes, the possibility of Ron Paul running on the Libertarian ticket for President. I'm asking for your permission, your vote at this late date, if it is possible. And I'm asking even more, for all of you to request that this be done to convince Ron Paul to run.

If we look at it logically, Ron Paul polls well, he could probably poll well enough to get into the debates with Obama and Romney. This would also mean the Libertarian Party Vice Presidential candidate would be in the Vice Presidential debates. Yes, if the RNC is any indication, they may try to change the rules for that also. But we know, and so does Gary, that he does not poll well enough to get into the debates. We need to get into the debates.

With three candidates running, we only need to split the vote and get 34% to win if Obama and Romney are tied for the rest. It can be done. I believe there is also a way that Ron can get matching funds which would help greatly. We may not get into every state, but what states we do get ballot on we, together, can win.

Sincerely,
A supporter of Liberty,
Clyde F. Coulter, Jr.

 

[american.swan]

I don't really know. But Hillary was just offered Biden's spot. How would that work procedurally?

That is different because there is a dnc convention to approve such a move. The LP doesnt have that same convention available.

 

[CPUd]

No, we will find out in about 20 minutes or so. This is happening NOW! Ron Paul supporters will get the word out as soon as they know what he says concerning running third party.

Yeah, they tape the show in the afternoons.

 

[Badger Paul]

"In some areas RP's Campaign worked together with other campaigns on specific tactics. "

So I take it at LPAC one of things you'll be teaching is the art of political bullshit?

 

[coffeewithgames]

So what if we doubled in size from 2008? That does not mean there is an upward trajectory considering the Stalin GOP tactics to silence us through rules. People are blinded to think the GOP party can be overtaken. It cannot! It's a lost cause at the national level. Gary North has even acknowledged this fact. Seriously, some of you live in la la land, far from reality.

If they double the popular vote totals in 2016, or triple it...even if they get 4 times as many votes as RP this time, they will still be below the 9 million that Romney and McCain got in 2008 and 2012 as the nominees, assuming that the next "chosen one" doesn't double their vote averages any.

 

[american.swan]

I will speculate thus.

Ron and Rand are at heart identical. But polling shows Rand has a larger gop following than Ron. Therefore there are people who like Rand but not Ron. Would Rand really be hurt with his father running third party? I doubt it. Remember that Lutz dude has never found a politician who talks like Rand.

Now. This election is close. We know some black box mess goes on in some places. What if Ron runs to ensure we dont get 8 years of Romney?

 

[Anti Federalist]

And you attribute that to the campaign? LOL. No, I guess grassroots weren't out there in the trenches between campaigns winning hearts and minds?

Of course he does, Mundane.

Who the hell are you?

When did you go political action school?

 

[Carlybee]

And you attribute that to the campaign? LOL. No, I guess grassroots weren't out there in the trenches between campaigns winning hearts and minds?

We just be the cash cow dontcha know?

 

[69360]

Would you endorse someone you were about to replace?

Are all the guys like you going to be ok when it sinks in that Ron is done running?

We need to get through to both the LP and Gary Johnson that if they aren't willing to have Ron Paul head their ticket that they can't expect our votes in November.

Lots of people will vote GJ without RP. GJ is worlds better than BO or MR. GJ has mine.

 

[phill4paul]

Of course he does, Mundane.

Who the hell are you?

When did you go political action school?

We just be the cash cow dontcha know?

 

[coffeewithgames]

Uhh.. no that's not true. In some areas RP's Campaign worked together with other campaigns on specific tactics. But there wasn't any sort of widespread collusion as you are alleging.

Last I checked, RP's campaign didn't run a single television ad against Mitt Romney to help Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich win a state. They did just that for Mitt Romney in Michigan. Last I checked, I didn't hear Mitt Romney's name mentioned in insulting ways at Ron Paul's rally in Florida, but I did hear jabs at Rick Santorum.

You make no sense. We more than doubled what we did in 2008, and we are trending upwards. And we'll do much better next time. If you don't see that then you obviously are blinded by your own preconceived notions.

Or, I'm founded in reality and I look at numbers, and I know your general zombie voters pretty well? You can double, triple, even quadruple the popular vote totals RP got this time, and Rand (or whoever) will still not have enough to take out the winner, assuming the Republican nominee in 2016 gets more than 9 million votes just like McCain and Romney did, and assuming the "chosen one" doesn't outperform McCain and Romney.

Ron Paul received fewer popular votes than Rick Santorum AND Newt Gingrich this time. We already know that it doesn't matter how many delegates you get, the RNC will do as they please. They have firewalls in place to protect the system. Unless you destroy the system, and start over, there is very little to be gained within it.

 

[Matt Collins]

And you attribute that to the campaign? LOL. No, I guess grassroots weren't out there in the trenches between campaigns winning hearts and minds?

Nice strawman. There is of course a synergystic relationship and co-dependency between the Campaign and the grassroots.

 

[Liberty74]

How would that work on the LP side procedurally?

The latest from Evan Cutler from Alaska...

"I have it on high authority with the Libertarian Campaign that they are open to Dr. Paul as VP, and will poll their state organizers, leaders and executive committee to make sure there is agreement, should Dr. Paul accept our plea"

 

[Matt Collins]

So what if we doubled in size from 2008? That does not mean there is an upward trajectory considering the Stalin GOP tactics to silence us through rules. People are blinded to think the GOP party can be overtaken. It cannot!

You obviously have not been paying attention to what we did in Minnesota, Iowa, and a few other states. Even Senator Kyl from AZ was quoted as saying "those Ron Paul people control the Party in my state".

If you can't see that we are trending upward and making huge headway then you aren't paying attention. Next time we'll do even better, that is of course as long as people don't quit and give up between now and then.

 

[Matt Collins]

If they double the popular vote totals in 2016, or triple it...even if they get 4 times as many votes as RP this time, they will still be below the 9 million that Romney and McCain got in 2008 and 2012 as the nominees, assuming that the next "chosen one" doesn't double their vote averages any.

We don't need an absolutely majority to prevail, but a tireless minority.

 

[RickyJ]

Nice strawman. There is of course a synergystic relationship and co-dependency between the Campaign and the grassroots.

Beep, wrong answer. The official campaign for the most part sucks. I know you were part of it and think differently, but any unbiased objective person can see the official campaign for the most part sucked.

What Ron Paul won was solely due to the grassroots and Ron Paul himself, the official campaign for the most part only hindered the accomplishments of the grassroots and did little to nothing to help Ron Paul win.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

The latest from Evan Cutler from Alaska...

"I have it on high authority with the Libertarian Campaign that they are open to Dr. Paul as VP, and will poll their state organizers, leaders and executive committee to make sure there is agreement, should Dr. Paul accept our plea"

WOOOO HOOOO!!!!!

-t

 

[coffeewithgames]

We don't need an absolutely majority to prevail, but a tireless minority.

LOL, or we can base this in reality. The system has firewalls. They will NEVER allow it to be infiltrated in any significant way. If push comes to shove, they will simply introduce a third party into the U.S. with MAJOR funding behind it, and completely wipe any chances of success. The third party ticket can be used both ways, for our benefit and for our harm.