Southern Poverty Law Center's Criteria for Naming 'Hate Groups' Subpoenaed

[tod evans]

Just in case I wasn't completely clear earlier;

Fuck Morris Dees with a hot poker!

 

[Origanalist]

Come where and make what charges?

Wut?

 

[Pericles]

This is only of interest to document that the SPLC makes up this shit.

 

[donnay]

Just in case I wasn't completely clear earlier;

Fuck Morris Dees with a hot poker!

He would probably like it. He is so perverted.

 

[phill4paul]

"Hello, this is Morris."
"Heya Morris can you do me a solid? We have a group that's getting uppity and we'd like you to catagorize them as a "hate group."
"I assume you remember the conditions of our last conversation?"
"Already wired to your account."
"No problem. Up for some golf next time your in town?"
"Sounds great. Glad you are enjoying that country club membership I scored for you."
"Next time."
"Later bud."

 

[GunnyFreedom]

This is only of interest to document that the SPLC makes up this shit.

I would have also asked for minutes and recordings of any committee meetings his org was brought up, since I do not believe the SPLC actually has much in the way of written guidelines. I imagine that (a) select committee(s), or (even more likely) select leadership simply decide who and what to target by fiat, and then that person, concept, or organization is combed through to build the selected narrative presented for the attacks.

He is likely to get neither. Rationale at a propaganda shop is just not naturally well documented. Even if the SPLC wanted to comply, they probably have almost nothing to provide in response...or worse they will produce guidelines issued by fedgov and demonstrate their fulfillment of those guidelines, and Delgaudio will be shot it he foot. I am also guessing that Delgaudo and his Atty know this, and that they are making the demand loudly and publicly just so they can wiggle their fingers and point when the SPLC has nothing but dead air and equivocation to provide. I'm not complaining here, anybody that can land a blow on these wicked zealots is a hero IMHO. I'll ride shotgun and help count coup.

 

[Acala]

SPLC is a Federal agency..
despite any claims to the contrary.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/08/its-official-southern-poverty-law-center-is-now-part-of-dhs/

It is part of DHS.

You could certainly make that argument, but you would lose. If you won the argument you would not need a subpoena, just a FOIA request.

 

[acptulsa]

You could certainly make that argument, but you would lose. If you won the argument you would not need a subpoena, just a FOIA request.

Privatization is a wonderful thing. Can you get Blackwater's records via a FOIA request? Does that fact cut the number of taxpayer dollars that flow into Blackwater's coffers?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You could certainly make that argument, but you would lose. If you won the argument you would not need a subpoena, just a FOIA request.

More accurately is is a private partner of the federal government, exchanging guidelines and policies for the suppression of alleged hate groups. Fedgov unofficially tells the SPLC who and what and what kinds of things they want to demonize, and the SPLC then narrows or broadens that focus creates a narrative justifying official oppression, and returns guidelines and policy to the Fedgov for the Congress and the regulators to implement.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Privatization is a wonderful thing. Can you get Blackwater's records via a FOIA request? Does that fact cut the number of taxpayer dollars that flow into Blackwater's coffers?

Congress simply outsourcing the things they are not Constitutionally allowed to do does not make those actions of Congress Constitutional or legal. "We didn't build and operate the gas chambers Judge, we just paid someone else to do all that. We are innocent!" lol

 

[PRB]

Just watch how they operate. It resembles a government agency.

government agency = hate group?

 

[acptulsa]

government agency = hate group?

Only if SLPC = hate group. Where did this massive fail in logic come from?

If you're going to put words in people's mouths, make them believable.

I say that person acts like a cat and you say so that person is a dog? Say what? Are you sure you couldn't come up with a sillier assed thing to say?

 

[Origanalist]

I'm not complaining here, anybody that can land a blow on these wicked zealots is a hero IMHO. I'll ride shotgun and help count coup.

That's pretty much where I'm at too.

 

[PRB]

Only if SLPC = hate group. Where did this massive fail in logic come from?

If you're going to put words in people's mouths, make them believable.

I say that person acts like a cat and you say so that person is a dog? Say what? Are you sure you couldn't come up with a sillier assed thing to say?

I asked "What criteria makes them a hate group"

and he answered "Just watch how they operate. It resembles a government agency."

How exactly should I have understood his response?

 

[pcosmar]

Even if the SPLC wanted to comply, they probably have almost nothing to provide in response...or worse they will produce guidelines issued by fedgov and demonstrate their fulfillment of those guidelines,

The guidelines of the Fedgov are written by the SPLC.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The guidelines of the Fedgov are written by the SPLC.

Yes, in large part based on guidelines that the Fedgov gives to the SPLC regarding the kinds of guidelines they want the SPLC to write for the Fedgov.

 

[PRB]

Even if the SPLC wanted to comply, they probably have almost nothing to provide in response...or worse they will produce guidelines issued by fedgov and demonstrate their fulfillment of those guidelines, and Delgaudio will be shot it he foot.

FBI's definition seems to be

Hate Group – an organization whose primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility and malice against persons belonging to a different race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity or national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization.

 

[pcosmar]

I asked "What criteria makes them a hate group"

Where did the term/phrase "hate Group" come from?

Goggle the term/phrase.

From wiki and others,, you will find it tied to the SPLC. They invented it. Promoted it. They define it. They teach it to Law Enforcement.

You are probably not old enough to remember a time when it did not exist.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

FBI's definition seems to be

Hate Group – an organization whose primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility and malice against persons belonging to a different race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity or national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization.

^^ Sounds like the SPLC.

 

[PRB]

You are probably not old enough to remember a time when it did not exist.

Meaning, racist groups were not condemned? Anti-gay people had nothing to fear?