Source Close to Ron Says it's Possible he Could Still be Swayed to Run 3rd Party.......

Polls can be rigged, and even legitimate polls are strongly influenced by amount and tone of media coverage. If Ron runs and the Powers That Be want to keep him out of the debates, they'll find a way.

My dream scenario is they want to reinstall Obama, so they let him in to split Romney's vote, and it blows up in their faces, like with Jesse Ventura in Minnesota in 1998. But I still doubt that Ron would be let in, even if Obama is supposed to win; there's too much risk of Ron drawing votes from Obama too, and even more of him waking up too much of the public.

You also have to remember that the first debate is Oct. 3, so he wouldn't have long to organize.

The bottom line is I see no reason to think the blackout Ron suffered the past 18 months won't continue with him as a third party candidate.
 
KramerDSP said:
Dammit. I feel like I'm going to be massively dissapointed. But....

Almost every single one of us agree on one thing: There will never, ever, ever be another Ron Paul in human history. The way things are set up now, it's just not going to happen. To me, I say "Ron, go out with a BANG and destroy Obama and Romney in the general election debates". I guarantee you that the first debate will be watched by tens of millions of people, half of whom will be watching solely to see what this Ron Paul guy is all about. And he's become a master at the debates now. His message is best suited for the American people, not solely a Republican audience or solely a Democratic audience. Even though he almost certainly does not win, the ramifications will be felt for years. If Obama wins and does terrible in the next four years, the Democrats will say "Oh eff me, Paul was right after all". Same goes for the Republicans. And the Independents? They're going to LOVVVVVVE him. And the people that hate politicians? They're going to make an exception for Ron Paul, who is the politician for people who hate politicians. And they will vote this time, because they have a real choice.
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From where I'm sitting, it seems unthinkable that many Americans still haven't seen him speak at this point...but to be honest, you're probably right that the message would get more exposure from a general election debate than anywhere else. If this actually happens, I can only imagine how quickly it would disturb neocon idiots who thought we'd go away (ever), and it makes me think of this:

Continuing to take over the GOP will spark the same reaction of course, but not as quickly, and the sooner I can taste their fear, the better.

I hope that there will never be a need for another Ron Paul in human history: Our movement will create a lot of people who live up to him in many ways, but none of us will have to go through what he did and persist alone for so many years. (Then again, we might have to go through worse in other ways, if we fail.) However, if we do not succeed in ending statism permanently, there will someday be another empire in a similar situation to ours...and they will have their Ron Paul. :)
 
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By the way, if this were to happen, it would bring an entirely new level of irony to the term "blowback." The Republicans will wonder why the hell they didn't just let Ron speak. It's not like the Republican base hasn't already heard his message in the zillion nationally-televised debates.
 
I seriously doubt Paul will do a third party run. He really was not intrigued with doing a third party run this whole primary season. After running around the whole year telling them media, he has no intention of doing a third party run—they will discredit him if he choose to do it now.

Yes, I know he said, "I have no intention of doing a third-party run." But you know the media will twist his words, and pull him down for making the statement and then changing his position. I think people are really getting their hopes up with pressuring Paul to do a third-party run. He's been in politics for a long time, he's done a lot. He is old. Let the guy step down with his dignity and integrity, and relax with his family. We'll handle the Revolution. After all, that is what all of this was for. Just the preparation to succeed Ron Paul, and guide the liberty movement the path to the future.

So to all the people questioning—what do we do now? Ron Paul has already answered the question. We know what we must do from here on out. And I can say with pure confidence, that in my opinion, moving our support to a third-party and away from the Republican party is a mistake. The intention and plan has been to take over the Republican Party all along. We just need the man power to do it. And we will have that. And do you know why Ron Paul wants us to stick to the Republican Party even with the hard-filled corruption? The email John Tate sent us, said: "We're the future of the Republican Party." We're going to be known as the people that changed the Republican Party, and ended it's agenda.

But it will only happen if you believe we can do it. And if you're going to reply to this message with: "Screw that, we need to get away from the GOP and it's lies." You're a part of the problem, and do not truly understand the future of this movement.
 
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For those that say "I support a 3rd party run, even though it's not going to happen"
The bolded part is not necessary, except that you are trying to say, "But I'm going to get my hopes up".
That's okay. You have to say it. There's no pressure on you or on Ron.
But "If he is willing, I support him".
 
KramerDSP said:
We know that Ron Paul polls at least 15% as a third party candidate in the General Election, so he gets in the debates.

We know that Ron Paul will not win the General Election, unless the following happens....

In the debates, Ron Paul's mere presence ties Romney and Obama into knots. Why? All Ron Paul has to do is say "President Obama and Governor Romney both agree on the wars. They both agree on NDAA. They both agree on assassinating American citizens. They both agree on the erosion of civil liberties. They both agree on big government. They both are not offering sincere cuts". Romney and Obama will have to defend themselves against Paul while at the same time desperately trying to show the country how different they are from each other.

And through it all, Ron Paul's honesty and sincerity will shine through like a silver dollar in a bucket of crap. And the country will hopefully finally realize that there are very little differences between both major parties.
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This would be a dream come true. A guy can dream right?
 
We don't have to leave the GOP to vote for the Libertarian candidate in 2012.
Heck, I don't know ANY Paul supporters who were going to vote for Mittens anyway.

And-- There's more than one way to "change" the Republican Party.
 
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dskalkowski said:
I seriously doubt Paul will do a third party run. He really was not intrigued with doing a third party run this whole primary season. After running around the whole year telling them media, he has no intention of doing a third party run—they will discredit him if he choose to do it now.

Yes, I know he said, "I have no intention of doing a third-party run." But you know the media will twist his words, and pull him down for making the statement and then changing his position. I think people are really getting their hopes up with pressuring Paul to do a third-party run. He's been in politics for a long time, he's done a lot. He is old. Let the guy step down with his dignity and integrity, and relax with his family. We'll handle the Revolution. After all, that is what all of this was for. Just the preparation to succeed Ron Paul, and guide the liberty movement the path to the future.

So to all the people questioning—what do we do now? Ron Paul has already answered the question. We know what we must do from here on out. And I can say with pure confidence, that in my opinion, moving our support to a third-party and away from the Republican party is a mistake. The intention and plan has been to take over the Republican Party all along. We just need the man power to do it. And we will have that. And do you know why Ron Paul wants us to stick to the Republican Party even with the hard-filled corruption? The email John Tate sent us, said: "We're the future of the Republican Party." We're going to be known as the people that changed the Republican Party, and ended it's agenda.

But it will only happen if you believe we can do it. And if you're going to reply to this message with: "Screw that, we need to get away from the GOP and it's lies." You're a part of the problem, and do not truly understand the future of this movement.
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I totally agree with you about the long term...taking over the GOP is the answer, and this strategy has them running scared like they never have before. I'd still love to see Ron debate Obama and Romney on stage though, and it wouldn't impact takeover efforts as long as activists can mentally separate it from our long term strategy. :p
 
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Mini-Me said:
I totally agree with you about the long term...taking over the GOP is the answer, and this strategy has them running scared like they never have before. I'd still love to see Ron debate Obama and Romney on stage though. :p
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You and I both, friend. ;)
 
There is the "Publicity A-Bomb" that Romney threatened, according to Doug Wead. Would the funds (millions, sailingaway?) be enough to thwart that?
 
wgadget said:
We don't have to leave the GOP to vote for the Libertarian candidate in 2012.
Heck, I don't know ANY Paul supporters who were going to vote for Mittens anyway.
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You're absolutely right. It would be better if Mitt Romney lost, and we could nominate our own guy in 2016..
 
dskalkowski said:
And if you're going to reply to this message with: "Screw that, we need to get away from the GOP and it's lies." You're a part of the problem, and do not truly understand the future of this movement.
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Sorry, but Ron Paul used the Republican Party to get this far. Most of us understood that. There is nothing left. Some "no name" politician isn't going to change things the way Dr Paul could have. It is time for the real revolution to start. It doesn't include the Republican or Democratic parties. They are one and the same. It requires that people start thinking for themselves now. The alternative is that we continue down the path of destruction.
 
ClydeCoulter said:
There is the "Publicity A-Bomb" that Romney threatened, according to Doug Wead. Would the funds (millions, sailingaway?) be enough to thwart that?
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It's worth the fight. And they wouldn't spend anything on Dr. Paul. The Obamneys have to spend their millions on the fake 2 party system.
 
liberty2897 said:
Sorry, but Ron Paul used the Republican Party to get this far. Most of us understood that. There is nothing left. Some "no name" politician isn't going to change things the way Dr Paul could have. It is time for the real revolution to start. It doesn't include the Republican or Democratic parties. They are one and the same. It requires that people start thinking for themselves now. The alternative is that we continue down the path of destruction.
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I'm sorry, but I do not think even a Revolution will end the two party system that has been in this country for far too long.
 
ClydeCoulter said:
There is the "Publicity A-Bomb" that Romney threatened, according to Doug Wead. Would the funds (millions, sailingaway?) be enough to thwart that?
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Why would they punch down at a lowly third party candidate? That's the beauty of it. If they start attacking him, they legitimize him in the eyes of the sheep.
 
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