Source Close to Ron Says it's Possible he Could Still be Swayed to Run 3rd Party.......

[sailingaway]

If he had a Perot size war chest, then maybe. But without serious money, any third party bid would be an exercise in futility. He'd be summarily blacked out and most importantly, any 3rd party run would create hell for us going forward. The cons massively outweigh the pros. And I think Ron understands this. This isn't his first rodeo.

Ron could start with matching funds. It wouldn't be expectation of winning, unless a miracle happened, it would be to try to get into the debates. I figure Mitt Romney owes him a speech after RNC changing the rules at Romney's attorney's bidding to move the goal posts to 8 states needed from 5, when Ron had 6, to nominate him onto the floor.

 

[Mini-Me]

If he had a Perot size war chest, then maybe. But without serious money, any third party bid would be an exercise in futility. He'd be summarily blacked out and most importantly, any 3rd party run would create hell for us going forward. The cons massively outweigh the pros. And I think Ron understands this. This isn't his first rodeo.

Everything you say makes perfect sense, and you're probably right about what Paul will do. Still, it sure would be fun to party crash if we had even any shot of getting into the debates.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Wead also had some issues. He just snapped back faster.

I have no idea who this poster is, though.

If you want to know - you've got a lot of reading to do. The OP here is familiar, but no posts stand out. The OP on DP I believe was involved with one of the Internet radio projects and organizing events. Could be wrong.

I'm beginning to think running third party is a good idea - All things considered. I am noticing on different forums - Non political forums - People who years already gave up on both demo and repubs are pissed .. Obama people are even angry at what happened to Ron Paul at the RNC. Maybe we should act on those emotions - use them to our advantage for Ron Paul 2012.

This is truly a PERFECT STORM! - Lets go for it!

someone get me in touch with ronpaulrocks1 on dailypaul, if we need to do a lobbying effort, the best place to do it aside from the phones and emails is in person and if this is all true, i can pull off a huge showing at the LA leno taping for Ron but I need to get in touch with ronpaulrocks1...if anybody knows him, please get me his email.

It's presumably the 2:30p taping local time in LA on Oct 4th. Tix are free, min age is 16. They say show up up to 5 hours ahead of time as lines are long. The bad news is that it's listed as "wish list only". That basically means wait list. There is a way to print off tix online. Lets hope one of our people got in there and snagged all the tix and not the opposition.

http://www.tonightshowinfo.com/TonightShowTickets.htm
http://www.tvtix.com/schedule.php

Ron Paul would NEVER take matching funds. We all know this, right?

I recall a recent thread where someone quoted him on this topic and he said he might consider it under the right circumstances...

Yes, seriously, let's not be like the Reagan worshipers who would gladly vote for "Zombie Reagan" given the chance. Besides, Ron doesn't want us following him, he wants us following his ideas.

hmmm... and what does it cost to rent a good voodoo priest these days?
getting back to contracting a good team of grave robbers, a taxidermist and a top rated animatronics crew...

JOKING!!!

Hay - Matt brought it up - direct your rotten veggies in his direction, hu?

We aren't a party trying to get continuous ballot access so 50 state access isn't as important. We need POLLS to get into the debates, is all.

We would be a godsend to the LP that way, even if we lost badly. For that matter, no one has brought running for another party - Constitution Party maybe?

We need to lobby or at least get in front of polsters that Ron is considering a third party run for these polls to happen. The first debate is Oct 3rd, which we won't make and they go off about a week apart after that.

I have a hard time believing this. Ron has seen all the people everywhere he goes supporting him. They aren't supporting Jesse Benton, they are supporting him. If he runs he will get TONS of support from Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, and a lot of people that never voted before and have no party affiliation! His support would be over 5 times to 10 times his support in the Republican primaries. I think it would be enough support to put give him over 15% required to be in the debates.

If Ron Paul is really considering this then I want him to know that I and many others will work our butts off campaigning for him.

OH HELL YES!!!!!

I saw people on DP bitching about only getting 100 votes (posts) to do this. I'd like to point out that the OP on DP was made at about 4pm EST TODAY, so it's only been up about 7 1/2 hours and it's on the CUSP of a major holiday. Many people left this morning for an extended weekend and will be away from their computers. In order to draft Paul to run third party, we need to do what we can to spread the word now, but the big push is going to be last minute - Monday and Tuesday morning when people get back.

I've gotten into thinking about it more and I don't see Ron running third party. It just doesn't make sense and it would undo everything he and his supporters have worked hard to do for the better part of the last four years. If he runs third party and his supporters follow him, that will likely alienate them from the party and burn any and all bridges and inroads made within the Republican Party. Even if by some stretch of the imagination we win the Presidency, we have four years and by an even greater stretch, eight, to enact a world of change. After that, then what?

There is so much beyond the Presidency and I think Ron sees that. It would be suicide for the movement for him to run third party.

I totally DIS-agree! The RNC/GOP needs a serious bitch slapping! If we let them know we will let them get away with this, they will just continue doing it.

We are still going to keep infiltrating them and taking them over.

Yeah...I suppose the polls are all about "don't call us, we'll call you," right? Or is there something proactive we'd be able to do to get someone into debates?

The same problem applies to Johnson too, regardless of whether Paul decided to make it a go. Speaking of which, I think Paul could get a back-door route to continuous ballot access if he really wanted, if he and Johnson came to some sort of deal where Johnson was the headliner but promised VP Paul would call the shots (or even that he'd resign to let Paul take over). That would require him to give up his current VP, and it would require us taking him at his word, but a hail Mary strategy is a hail Mary strategy anyway, and the fun part is just spoiling the establishment's fun over the next few months...if Ron feels like it, of course.

I'm sure that Ron would rather just rest, and I think he may also be wary of sending too many mixed messages (since the GOP takeover is the way forward in the long run), but I'd come along for the ride if he decided to do it.

We need to lobby the polls - possibly best via twitter #tags to give um a heads up that something is afoot... SOMETHING BIG!!!

-t

 

[AuH20]

Everything you say makes perfect sense, and you're probably right about what Paul will do. Still, it sure would be fun if we had even any shot of getting into the debates.

If he had real money like Perot, he could cause absolute chaos. It would be worth it. Remember that Perot was buying massive amounts of airtime nationally. He saturated the nation with his platform.

 

[economics102]

I think the idea that they are coordinating their respective futures isn't based on demonstrated facts.

More specifically, it is in contradiction to stated facts by both Ron and Rand.

 

[wgadget]

Obama and Governor Romney both agree on the wars. They both agree on NDAA. They both agree on assassinating American citizens. They both agree on the erosion of civil liberties. They both agree on big government. They both are not offering sincere cuts". Romney and Obama will have to defend themselves against Paul while at the same time desperately trying to show the country how different they are from each other.

And through it all, Ron Paul's honesty and sincerity will shine through like a silver dollar in a bucket of crap. And the country will
hopefully finally realize that there are very little differences between both major parties.

And they ARE BOTH AGAINST THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

Just imagine all the gun owners who would run to Ron Paul on that issue alone.

 

[economics102]

I don't know why people assume Ron wouldn't take matching funds. Ron has a pragmatic streak that people are overlooking.

Look at his stance on earmarks. He works to allocate earmark money to his district, since it's going to be spent anyway. Then he votes against the overall spending bills.

Well, the matching funds come from money already taken by government too. It's either going to be spent on spreading the libertarian message, or on some far less noble government venture.

So why not do it?

 

[sailingaway]

More specifically, it is in contradiction to stated facts by both Ron and Rand.

Well, this is about Ron so what has RON said that this contradicts?

Chris, I think the people in the party state and county GOP power structures would need to stay in the party. This would be for those who don't have elected positions in the GOP, only.

But, while I can think of a come back to each point, I suspect he is going to announce a project, not a campaign, much as I would love him to do that.

And he already polled twice over 15%, in fact, the only two times he WAS polled against Obama and Romney, but it has to be within the year, and one of those was last year, I think.

 

[Mini-Me]

If he had real money like Perot, he could cause absolute chaos. It would be worth it. Remember that Perot was buying massive amounts of airtime nationally. He saturated the nation with his platform.

Having a multi-billionaire willing to put everything on the line like that sure would be handy...especially a disgruntled multi-billionaire who wants vengeance more than anything else in the world. Perot fits the bill better than anyone, but I doubt even he cares enough to actually do it. If he were willing to, I imagine he would have contacted Ron about it a long time ago.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I sent my email saying I would support such an effort, even if the odds of it happening are like 0.1%.

Guys, if you want to put your voice in, shoot them an email or pick up the phone tomorrow. It takes like five minutes of your time.

 

[sailingaway]

I don't know why people assume Ron wouldn't take matching funds. Ron has a pragmatic streak that people are overlooking.

Look at his stance on earmarks. He works to allocate earmark money to his district, since it's going to be spent anyway. Then he votes against the overall spending bills.

Well, the matching funds come from money already taken by government too. It's either going to be spent on spreading the libertarian message, or on some far less noble government venture.

So why not do it?

He thinks spending makes govt want more in tax. He turned it down in 2008. But he did specifically say in 1989 that he might be able to be convinced it would be ok for a non major party candidate, because of all the preferences the major parties get.

 

[KramerDSP]

Dammit. I feel like I'm going to be massively dissapointed. But....

Almost every single one of us agree on one thing: There will never, ever, ever be another Ron Paul in human history. The way things are set up now, it's just not going to happen. To me, I say "Ron, go out with a BANG and destroy Obama and Romney in the general election debates". I guarantee you that the first debate will be watched by tens of millions of people, half of whom will be watching solely to see what this Ron Paul guy is all about. And he's become a master at the debates now. His message is best suited for the American people, not solely a Republican audience or solely a Democratic audience. Even though he almost certainly does not win, the ramifications will be felt for years. If Obama wins and does terrible in the next four years, the Democrats will say "Oh eff me, Paul was right after all". Same goes for the Republicans. And the Independents? They're going to LOVVVVVVE him. And the people that hate politicians? They're going to make an exception for Ron Paul, who is the politician for people who hate politicians. And they will vote this time, because they have a real choice.

 

[Tiso0770]

Well, I do know one thing and that is most of America only vote one time and that's during a General Election. I'm thinking Johnson/Paul or Paul/Johnson ticket would have the most impact. But i'm trying to think of a way to get around the electronic voting scheme.

 

[wgadget]

I think he even polled at 18% at one point. And that was before the GOP was saddled with Romney as the nominee.

 

[puppetmaster]

If we were ever to have a chance at a third party this year is it........with the power of Paul.


It seems like we will be shut out of the GOP with the current rules that the organization has. They will also change them if needed to block us further.

 

[No1butPaul]

PRESIDENT PAUL, PRESIDENT PAUL, PRESIDENT PAUL.

j/K ... I just really miss saying that and would LOVE to be able to chant that again. I would be even louder, if that's possible, a next go around.

 

[economics102]

I think it would make sense to do IF he can take over the Libertarian slot from Gary Johnson.

If there's a realistic possibility of Paul getting into the debates, I would say it's a must-do -- he would finally have a chance to reach an audience beyond the Republican base in the debates. Of course, even if he makes the 15% threshold, I'm sure they'll keep him out of the debates.

I agree this should not be done simply out of spite. On the other hand, what I do think is opportune here, is that normally if Ron were to run third-party, there would be a lot of anger and sense of betrayal from the Republican base. But because of the disrespectful and dishonorable treatment at the RNC, Ron can basically say "I didn't leave the party, the party made it clear that there's no room for me or my ideas."

Although I have to say, if Ron does take Gary's place on the LP ticket, I'd feel a little bad for Gary Johnson. He really has put in a very respectable effort over the past year. Then again, I'm sure he would be honored to the VP running on a joint ticket with Ron Paul.

You know what? I really think this needs to happen.

 

[TrishW]

None of this makes any sense to me. Wouldn't Ron already know that we would be backing him? And why would he wait to announce it on Leno? I think the op just wants us to apply pressure, hoping that it will get Ron to run. If Ron is wanting to pass the torch and retire... all this will do is make him feel like he's letting us down. I just don't think Ron is into playing games.

 

[KramerDSP]

Does anyone really think we have enough time to wait until 2016 with this fantasy that the goalposts won't be moved any further? The elites DO NOT want this scenario to happen. I really think Ron Paul is the right man at the right time in human history to upset the apple cart of the two party duopoly/oligarchy. And if he does announces, EVERYBODY (from the people that love him to the people that hate him) will go ape****. The spotlight immediately shifts from "Romney vs Obama" to "OMG Ron Paul Third Party", which makes it IMPOSSIBLE to exclude him from the debates.

 

[VanBummel]

Add me to the list of a thousand people who really want him to run, but doubt he will.

But seriously, Dr. Paul, please give me someone to vote for in November.