"Some People Just Need To Be Killed"

[Pericles]

qft!

Because you will read stuff like this:

“When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything - you can't conquer a free man;”
― Robert A. Heinlein

 

[Anti Federalist]

“The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness.”
― Robert A. Heinlein

Libertarians would be well served by reading Heinlein, not always as a treatise in libertarianism, but as an observer of human behavior.

That!!!

 

[Anti Federalist]

As long as we're quoting Heinlein, here's one of my favorites that comments on the "Borg Hive" nature of modern society.

Yes, division of labor may be economically efficient, it robs men of their souls at the same time.

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

 

[WilliamC]

Well there are people that need to be killed, no question about it.

It's just a matter of how and when though, and the assassination of Anwar Al-Awlaki by executive order is both unConstitutional and extra-judicial.

I figure if Congress had the balls to actually pass a Letter of Marque and Reprisal naming Anwar Al-Awlaki and those who aid and abeted him as enemies of the United States, well then we could discuss whether or not it was moral or evil but it would be legal and Constitutional.

And unlike Ron Paul I am not completely against the death penalty in some circumstances, although I don't see how a judge and jury can try and convict someone who isn't brought before the court, and that certainly wasn't done in this case.

“Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate — and quickly.”
― Robert A. Heinlein

 

[Pericles]

As long as we're quoting Heinlein, here's one of my favorites that comments on the "Borg Hive" nature of modern society.

Yes, division of labor may be economically efficient, it robs men of their souls at the same time.

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

I like this one:

“The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”
― Robert A. Heinlein

 

[Tod]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..............The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
~Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945

I was curious about this quote, and as far as I can tell, no one knows who the original source was; it isn't known to be Goebbels.

 

[Pericles]

I was curious about this quote, and as far as I can tell, no one knows who the original source was; it isn't known to be Goebbels.

I think the first line comes from Lenin, but I can't tell you for certain or from which writing.

 

[Diurdi]

Yes, division of labor may be economically efficient, it robs men of their souls at the same time.

Well that's your opinion.
The division of labour is the cornerstone of human society.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Doesn't work- these people NEVER can grasp the idea that THEY could ever be a target for State Sanctioned Murder. This sort will not see the light until it is their home or auto targeted for a civil forfeiture, until they get a tax lien slapped on every asset & must prove they don't owe or come across a cop having a pissy day who just NEEDS to taser/shot/beat senseless a civilian and get the treatment only to be told by all of their neoconned friends "you must have done something to deserve it. officer friend would never strike without a valid legal reason"

These types of people won't wake up until they are in FEMA camps.

 

[affa]

I love Robert A. Heinlein, and have read my share of him. I read Stranger in a Strange Land at the perfect age, and I credit it for 'waking' me up more so than any other single influence. The book isn't perfect; in particular, it's a bit sexist at times in a way that feels out of keeping for our time. But other than that, it's an important document on so many levels.

Highly recommended.

For those that know nothing about it (spoiler free), it's about a man who was raised by Martians (outdated, yes, but insert any alien race to your liking) and returns to the Earth capable of using his entire mind, free from the chains of our culture. That's the first chapter or so - the rest is about his interaction with our culture, our world, and serves as a perfect foil for Heinlein's priceless commentary.

 

[sevin]

UPDATE

Me: ‎"Some people just need to be killed..." Wow. Whatever happened to a right to trial by jury? The point is that it sets a dangerous precedent. This is how people like Hitler got so much power, the people let him get away with anything.

Neo-con: If anyone thinks he didn't have the support of congress they are mistaken. I hope they kill every asshole that raises their hand to run any terrorist organization. You don't deal with these people with courts and give them a stage for their followers to rally behind. You hunt everyone of them down like the rats that they are and you kill them. If the American public would get out of the way and let the military do what they do without bitching and whining about how they do it this would be over. The very people that complain about the assassination would be the first to complain when he attacked the US again. Except this time they would complain about the fact the Govt. Didn't do enough. I hate Obama and this may be about the only decision I agree with him on but he did it right.

/end

I'm not responding again. He's hopeless.

 

[moderate libertarian]

Adam Gadhan , a notorious leader of American Al Qaeda, has called for terror attacks against Americans repeatedly. Now that precedence has been set, could Obama order extra judicial killing of a white American Al Qaeda leader Adam Gadhan next to avoid criticism that his target killing decison was motivated by racism against Americans of arab descent and based on double standard?

New Al Qaeda Video: American Muslims Should Buy Guns, Start Shooting People

In a new video message released on the internet Friday, American-born al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn calls on Muslims living in America to carry out deadly one-man terrorist acts using fully automatic weapons purchased at gun shows, and to target major institutions and public figures.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-video-buy-automatic-weapons-start-shooting/story?id=13704264



Or this New Yorker jihadi activist Yousef al-Khattab:

Erdogan slams Obama for silence on Israel's Gaza flotilla raid

"I asked President Obama whether the reason he showed no interest in one of his nationals being killed was because [the victim] was [ethnically] Turkish - he didn't reply," said Erdogan.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...lence-on-israel-s-gaza-flotilla-raid-1.383618

 

[pcosmar]

Bullshit on top of propaganda bullshit.

Adam Gadahn calls on Muslims living in America to carry out deadly one-man terrorist acts using fully automatic weapons purchased at gun shows, and to target major institutions and public figures.

There are no fully automatic weapons being sold at "Gun Shows".
Apparently reality is not a deterrent to the reporter.
And yet the only "attacks" or "plots" have been instigated by the FBI. or in the case of the "car bomb' in New York was so lame as to be laughable. It was not able to make a good car fire. and would not have exploded.

 

[bunklocoempire]

The sad thing is that many of the people claim to be christian--the sadder part is a lot of alleged Christian leaders agree to this murder.

It isn't self-defense when you unilaterally strike! It's the same equivalent as shooting someone in the street because YOU thought they may attack and harm you, just because the person gave you a dirty look.

These type people...unless you can clearly get through to them, their minds are completely made up because they have been fed a daily diet of lies!! The only solution is to try to get to them to see that government has lied to them in the past and they continue to lie in the present.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gee/gee17.html
http://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/government-lies
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/smedleywarisracket.shtml

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."
~H. L. Mencken

"Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle." ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth." ~Lenin (1870 - 1924)

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..............The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
~Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945

+ Rep for: "...claim to be christian" and "...alleged Christian leaders"

As a Christian, I really appreciate your wording. Thank you.

Great quotes as well.



Bunkloco

 

[jtstellar]

I logged into facebook and my brother had posted this article: Assassin-in-Chief. This conversation was below it:

Some people just need to be killed and the American public doesn't need to know how it happens, why or by whom. As long as they are dead.

american public don't need to know every detail, but should they choose to, they should have the option to know, and should they choose to, they should have the power to decide. we need to start taking these questions head on in a more 1 on 1 perspective in concise, forceful terms that summarize the spirit of the constitution, not always long winded constitutional rhetorics. when you talk to rednecks, you need to sound rowdy, not like you're reciting off a book or talk like some academia.

 

[doctor jones]

Some people just need to accept that they are not pro-life but pro-tyranny.

 

[one male human]

when you talk to rednecks, you need to sound rowdy, not like you're reciting off a book or talk like some academia.

Like this?

 

[donnay]

I was curious about this quote, and as far as I can tell, no one knows who the original source was; it isn't known to be Goebbels.

In my research I came across this information...but there is nothing to cross-reference with. They give a weak argument as to say Goebbels would never admit that in public...but who is to say he did say that in public? He might of said it to one of the soldiers who repeated in a Nuremberg? *Shrugs shoulders*

Here is the source and another one to counter that it is indeed Goebbels who said it:
http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/falsenaziquotations.htm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080925001702AACvgY1

 

[Theocrat]

Another Strategy For the Chickenhawks

I logged into facebook and my brother had posted this article: Assassin-in-Chief. This conversation was below it:

Neo-con: I am a conservative and I agree with killing the piece of shit. As a matter of fact I would kill every terrorist foreign or domestic. The only difference is I wouldn't advertise it I would just do it.

My awesome mom: “First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.” -Martin Niemoeller

My brother: I understand the sentiment Dan, just think it sets a dangerous precedent for the President to decide something like that unilaterally. Now if military command was looking for various people who are considered dangerous leaders, that's different. I get the 'cut off the head' kind of strategy... but in the right hands...

Neo-con: Agree. And don't believe for a minute he did it on his own. Although he wants everyone to think he did I doubt it. His problem is he can't shut his mouth. Some people just need to be killed and the American public doesn't need to know how it happens, why or by whom. As long as they are dead.

/end of conversation

This is what we're up against.

If that neocon is so concerned with worldwide terrorism, why doesn't he start his own private militia, travel around the world, and fight the terrorists with his own resources, instead of having U.S. armed forces do it at the taxpayers' expense?

 

[Wolverine302]

On my facebook, not that anyone cares in my social network:

So, some REALLY important political figure thinks its ok to kill Americans without a trial. No matter how grave the crime, your are to be judged by your peers,convicted, and sentenced before you are "killed," or so the Constitution says. This important figure also claimed to be a Constitutional Professor. (lul)

This same important figure also claims to be a Christian-- a devout Christian. He tried really hard to make sure we all knew he was a Christian. What was Christ's opinion on captial punishment? "Let the first man with no sin, be first to throw the rock."

Even Timothy McVeigh had a trial, and even he had people proclaiming not to kill him, one of those being The Pope John Paul II.

It is very dangerous to have ONE man as the Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
We call this fascism, the very thing we fought against during WWII.