Some observations from today...

its 94

also, the majority of cab drivers here are African. (Somebody from chicago back me up on this?) not that that even matters

ok cool...

so.. give me your interpretation of the environment on how best to combat this?

I am not quizing you. what seemed to work when addressing those who came up?

What worked, what didn't work.. did people want to hear the explanation or not..

thanks for clarifying.
 
ok cool...

so.. give me your interpretation of the environment on how best to combat this?

I am not quizing you. what seemed to work when addressing those who came up?

What worked, what didn't work.. did people want to hear the explanation or not..

thanks for clarifying.

i just realized i have someone calling him a racist in my tape. im gonna post it right now (without tags of course) and you can see for yourself.. then i'll tell you about the other occurences. stay tuned.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCDcmpitc8E

here it is. please do not critize the guy when he's saying "you're wrong" to the guy in the car. at that point the windows were up and the car was driving away. when we got to actually talk to people about the issue, we were very inviting and polite. [edit: i say "end the drug war" to this guy. that was just a mistake. later on i say "war on drugs"}

the first time (which is what you'll see in the vid) a man shouted it from his car. Me and the guy I was with were surprised and couldnt really get a good response before he drove off.

second time a young girl yelled it from a passing car.

third time a group of young girls walked by. we tried to talk to them about ron paul and one of them said they could not support him because her friend was brown. (her words, not mine) referring to her indian friend that was with her. we told her that the newsletter was a smear and i attempted to take about paul ending the war on drugs, but they werent interested and walked on.

similar variations of the above happened and people would not let us clarify it. as one group was walking away i started about ending the war on drugs and how obama has not said anything about that (they were obama supporters). they yelled back at me, saying he did want to end the war on drugs. needless to say i was frustrated.

at one point a lady came up to me and asked me directly about the newsletter. i got the sense that she knew quite a bit about paul, and was almost disappointed. she allowed me to explain the whole story but i got the sense that it didnt make her feel any better about him


On the plus side, we did talk to a ton of people who knew nothing of Paul and gave them the direct message about his true intentions and love of freedom. this was never intended to be a discouraging post! just pointing out some things that got my attention today.
 
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Last week we held the huge RP sign (4'x8') on the overpass, and there was a white guy who walked past us and asked if he (RP) took money from a white supremacist. We had to answer yes, and tried to "clear it up" for him, but he said, "No, that's all I need to know..."

OTOH, someone was out signwaving in ATL today and noticed that there was a lot MORE support from African-Americans than there was last week. I have also noticed the the AAs seem to like him here in the suburbs.

There was quite a discussion the day the "news" came out about the white supremacist donation.

A few, including me, wanted Ron to return it and denounce the group. Very Simple to do. GREAT publicity.

But no. Instead, he has to answer questions and continue to explain to not much avail.

BAD MOVE. Think of all the NEGATIVE publicity he's received from this instead of the good he would have gotten by returning it.

He's a genius for sure, but he blew this opportunity. No one's perfect, but this was a "no-brainer."

I seriously don't know what he was thinking. How could he have imagined this wouldn't be anything other than a killer.

A simple thing. A simple symbolic gesture. Return $500 and denounce the w.s. group.

Instead he and we have to put up with all this FUD.

The w.s. contribution and now the newsletters.

Come on Ron, use the common sense God gave you so much of.
 
And the "should I give "your" $500 back to the group to use" answer is just plain pitiful.

It's just ridiculous. And it's not working because it's a stupid response.

SYMBOLISM RON. SYMBOLISM. Look up the definition. You seem to have forgotten it.
 
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There was quite a discussion the day the "news" came out about the white supremacist donation.

A few, including me, wanted Ron to return it and denounce the group. Very Simple to do. GREAT publicity.

But no. Instead, he has to answer questions and continue to explain to not much avail.

BAD MOVE. Think of all the NEGATIVE publicity he's received from this instead of the good he would have gotten by returning it.

He's a genius for sure, but he blew this opportunity. No one's perfect, but this was a "no-brainer."

I seriously don't know what he was thinking. How could he have imagined this wouldn't be anything other than a killer.

A simple thing. A simple symbolic gesture. Return $500 and denounce the w.s. group.

Instead he and we have to put up with all this FUD.

The w.s. contribution and now the newsletters.

Come on Ron, use the common sense God gave you so much of.

I wonder why the mainstream media doesn't look at contributions from other candidates.

The thing is, Ron Paul is an individual. The media is trying to put his supporters in groups and pick them off one by one. Truthers and WS's are not popular so they start with them. Once those are picked off, there will be others.

Ron knows the media is trying to do this. He's not allowing it.

Twice the media has tried to make Ron Paul denounce support from lumped up supporters that they don't like.

Meanwhile, notice the media hasn't done this same hit job on anyone else?

All we can do is just keep it up. We can't show everyone the truth.

There was a person I knew who admitted to stealing a Ron Paul sign from a neighbor's yard because he got tired of seeing the signs. He threw it away. Then later I guess out of guilt, he did research online to see who this Ron Paul guy was and a new supporter it made out of him.
 
It may be too late now though to give it back. It may look like pandering or a "cover-your-backside" move.

I hate to say it, but, this lack of foresight and common sense may be the dagger that kills our momentum and the campaign.

"Racist" is a buzzword that can destroy most anything. Especially a political campaign.
 
Being in the Chicago area I can add two pieces of info to this thread:
1). the video looks legit, I know the intersection well.
2). the meetup group in greater Chicago did have a sign wave planned for today at that intersection.

Also, keep in mind us Midwesterners are always a little blah - it takes a lot to get us to crawl out of the woodwork, maybe it's the cold weather, or the slaughterhouses of our past, or maybe it is our king, mayor Daley, who, like his father seems to have been elected for life.
 
I wonder why the mainstream media doesn't look at contributions from other candidates.

The thing is, Ron Paul is an individual. The media is trying to put his supporters in groups and pick them off one by one. Truthers and WS's are not popular so they start with them. Once those are picked off, there will be others.

Ron knows the media is trying to do this. He's not allowing it.

Twice the media has tried to make Ron Paul denounce support from lumped up supporters that they don't like.

Meanwhile, notice the media hasn't done this same hit job on anyone else?

All we can do is just keep it up. We can't show everyone the truth.

There was a person I knew who admitted to stealing a Ron Paul sign from a neighbor's yard because he got tired of seeing the signs. He threw it away. Then later I guess out of guilt, he did research online to see who this Ron Paul guy was and a new supporter it made out of him.


Yeah, but one less smear attempt would sure help.

Oh course the MSM doesn't do it to others. We KNOW that already.

But Ron gave them ammunition that is practically impossible to defend against.

It makes things a WHOLE LOT harder.

Now we have to spend TONS of time explaining this to people who have no clue about things anyway .

What part of - "Give the money back and denounce" is SO HARD to understand in terms of the GREAT publicity it would garner.

It's pretty simple to do and common sense period.

Write a check, send it back, denounce. 5 minutes of work for GOLD to use.

Instead we'll spend the rest of the campaign trying to explain this junk.
 
Same experience today. I'm posting from the vegas march. Here in vegas, the cab drivers LOVE Ron Paul.
 
I really don't care if it looks like pandering now. One days worth of MSM "pandering charges" verses 10 months of defending it.

That's a whole lot LESS WORSE than having to deal with this mess for the next 10 months.

The reason he didn't return it is NOT "playing in Peoria".
 
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It may be too late now though to give it back. It may look like pandering or a "cover-your-backside" move.

I hate to say it, but, this lack of foresight and common sense may be the dagger that kills our momentum and the campaign.

"Racist" is a buzzword that can destroy most anything. Especially a political campaign.

Funny you bring this up. Me and my wife first started researching Ron Paul after that interview where he said: "Why give it back? He cant buy me out and its less money for them to use for their organization." Or something to that effect. We both thought that it was really clever.
 
Yeah, but one less smear attempt would sure help.

Oh course the MSM doesn't do it to others. We KNOW that already.

But Ron gave them ammunition that is practically impossible to defend against.

It makes things a WHOLE LOT harder.

Now we have to spend TONS of time explaining this to people who have no clue about things anyway .

What part of - "Give the money back and denounce" is SO HARD to understand in terms of the GREAT publicity it would garner.

It's pretty simple to do and common sense period.

Write a check, send it back, denounce. 5 minutes of work for GOLD to use.

Instead we'll spend the rest of the campaign trying to explain this junk.

We all got to see how Ron Paul stood up for himself and how MSM edited it. This is a plot to divide and conquer.

It's also put there so that all of his supporters will get bent out of shape and attack each other and exclude types of people that the media decided to smear.

If mainstream media were more fair and balanced, your idea is right on track but I can't trust them to not put a negative spin on it.
 
Look at the video of the Chicago meetup that was posted.

The dude trys to go into a long explanation. "No he's not", the drug war ect.

Instead of - "He returned the money and denounced the group."

Now which answer is more effective. I hope I really don't have to answer that for anyone.
 
Look at the video of the Chicago meetup that was posted.

The dude trys to go into a long explanation. "No he's not", the drug war ect.

Instead of - "He returned the money and denounced the group."

Now which answer is more effective. I hope I really don't have to answer that for anyone.

yeah you're right. we were both kind of surprised by it and so we didnt have a good response. also, i assume he was talking about the newsletter, not the donation (or maybe both). the other people we actually got a chance to talk to were referring to the newsletter. in that case, what should we say? "he didnt write it" which is true, sorta. "he doesn't actually have those beliefs" which nobody will believe us.
 
Look at the video of the Chicago meetup that was posted.

The dude trys to go into a long explanation. "No he's not", the drug war ect.

Instead of - "He returned the money and denounced the group."

Now which answer is more effective. I hope I really don't have to answer that for anyone.

Then the person would bring up the newsletter and another "no he's not" would be said even though Ron Paul spoke up about that too but that video was later edited.

The best way to deal with quick interractions where someone calls Ron Paul a racist is mention the war on drugs and how racist that is. Then give the person a flyer, a dvd, whatever material you have. Thank the person for their time and smile.
 
it was the first meetup thing ive done. i should have clarified that. i posted here because i though you might be interested in my impressions, as a newer supporter. what's with the troll stuff? kinda condescending dont you think.

Welcome to the forum! You can see, the negative stuff we face with the press, takes it's toll on the supporters too. Some start to be leery of anyone new who might post anything negative. Please forgive those here who do this. We just need to keep pushing on, and not let the smear attempts get us down, or give the smears an excuse to hurt each other. Thanks for what you are doing!
 
someone was out signwaving in ATL today and noticed that there was a lot MORE support from African-Americans than there was last week. I have also noticed the the AAs seem to like him here in the suburbs.

1. The War on Plants...Blacks...DRUGS

2. Asset Forfeiture

3. Tribute

4. War on Islam

5. Death Penalty

These are all issues of special concern to black voters, because they all have a disparate impact on black Americans. These are all issues on which Ron Paul shines above all other candidates, from either party. Black voters already know more about these issues, and Dr. Paul's position on them, than many white voters, to whom some of these issues may be of lower priority.

Most black people aren't going to vote in the GOP primary, but would vote for RP, by a large margin, in the general election, unless Obama wins his party's nomination, in which case Dr. Paul would still likely get the largest percentage of the black vote of any Republican -- in quite some time.

If Ron Paul were a racist, the policies he promotes would be a funny way of showing it. Do WNs support him? Sure. They may find many of his policies attractive, because of their own prejudices, but that certainly doesn't make them racist policies. For example, RP wants to stop illegal immigration because it results in fewer entry level jobs for Americans, creates a strain on gov't services, and increases crime. WNs want to stop it because they hate "mex-kins." RP wants to end foreign aid, because it increases US debt, creates entagling alliances, and swells the already heavy tax burden on American wage-earners. WNs want to end funding to Israel because they hate "the jews."

I have a secret for you: there are racists in every race. If you aren't a racist, you probably either know or are related to at least one. This goes for all of us, red, yellow, black, white, or brown. What we also know about these racist is, aside from making us shake our heads and groan from time-to-time, they are MOSTLY harmless. They say stupid things, and vent, and rant, but most of them wouldn't hurt a fly. Regardless, though, we try to get them to shake off old ways of thinking, but they are still family or friends, and, unless they are of the really bad, dangerous variety, we treat them accordingly. We may try to change their minds, but we don't force them to change their addresses, just because they have some stupid, backwards opinions.

Cut Dr. Paul some slack for thinking that friendship or family, even if that friend or family member is an ignorant bigot, is more important than some political office, even if that office is the presidency. Most Presidents have had their black sheep, and we usually don't demand they be thrown under the bus (remember Roger Clinton and Billy Carter?). He's going to stick to his guns, and continue to protect whomever he is protecting. If we can't accept that, then we need to find another candidate. For me, there is no other candidate. I'm sticking with Ron Paul. And, I admire his loyalty. Under the same circumstances, most of his opponents would have sold out their crazy cousin Joe or their old college buddy in a hot minute; and I'm pretty sure that's not the kind of president I would want.
 
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