So you're thinking about voting for Trump in 2024?

[acptulsa]

Trump is by far our best shot at finding out who released the virus, and why. Obviously it was weaponized against him, so he has a good incentive to find that out.

He had good incentive to get to the bottom of that last "election", too, or seemed to. But instead of doing it, he sent 9iu11iani to fuck the investigation up. It took a documentary filmmaker you had never even heard of to do it.

Excuse me if I don't wait for the fat orange bastard to get around to it.

Old fox disguises himself with a six hundred dollar haircut and dannno not only thinks he's a rooster, but that he's the only cock who can guard the chicken coop. Dude. That's not a comb, it's a combover.

 

[TheTexan]

The facts are the Communist Chinese released an engineered bio weapon, a souped up cold virus that people within our government assisted in funding and researching this "gain of function" aspect.

They released it on purpose, lied about its origins and used it as a political tool of terror and manipulation that has left millions of US citizens dead and is still killing people to this day.

Are we going to fucking do anything about that?

Or are we going to continue to Dutch Rudder each other about meaningless minutiae?

Convene Nuremberg 2.0 now.

If you have convincing evidence Trump was in collusion with Fauci and the leaders of the CCP in China during this cluster fuck, present it, then let him swing with the rest of the rat bastards.

Somebody has got to be held accountable.

Yea no shit lol. Every day we let that shit continue, were rolling the dice on the lives of everyone on this planet.

It should be shocking how little anyone cares about this. But whatever, just another day in clown world.

 

[oyarde]

Yea no shit lol. Every day we let that shit continue, were rolling the dice on the lives of everyone on this planet.

It should be shocking how little anyone cares about this. But whatever, just another day in clown world.

Ya , I'm not really holding out any great hope for improvement

 

[dannno]

It took a documentary filmmaker you had never even heard of to do it.

You didn't know who Dinesh D'Souza was?

 

[CaptUSA]

Somebody has got to be held accountable.

I couldn't agree more. Like it or not, though, the worst of it happened during Trump's term. Biden's team took it many steps further, but the stage was set during Trump's reign. It's going to be hard for him to hold people accountable when his (metaphoric) signature is at the bottom. And if his reputation is exposed in any way, then you know it's never going anywhere.

To be honest, I'll be gobsmacked if it goes anywhere, anyway. These institutions protect themselves.

But yes - Nuremberg 2.0 MUST happen. So who will do that? DeSantis??

 

[TheTexan]

I couldn't agree more. Like it or not, though, the worst of it happened during Trump's term. Biden's team took it many steps further, but the stage was set during Trump's reign.

I'd be surprised if this ever came up on Trump's radar at all, prior to covid.

 

[Cleaner44]

It is amazing to me how some here can't see the big picture. Just step back and take it in. Let your vision refocus.

Arguing about details like is Trump conservative enough or too fat or bald or whatever is stupid meaningless minutiae.

Think about what our mission has been since 2007.

The idea is to build a society that the ideals of liberty and justice, coupled with free and honest markets.

The last 5 year have demonstrated that the Democrat party is the exact opposite of this idea. There are the leading opponents of our mission.

Ron Paul taught me a lesson in 2007 and that lesson is, the Libertarian Party is a waste of time and the Republican Party is the only viable path to pursue our mission. Dr Paul learned this lesson and shared it with us. I have taken that to heart.

Since 2008 I have voted thoughtfully to pursue this mission. That means I didn't vote for McCain or Romney because I wanted to signal to Republicans that they needed to offer a better product. Liberal Republican neocons will never earn my vote.

In 2016 Republican VOTERS overruled the Republican POLITICIANS and the liberal media by rejecting Jeb! and nominating Trump. While my preference was Rand Paul, Trump turned out to be very useful for our mission.

I didn't like the former Democrat Trump nor did I trust him. I did quickly learn that he would be better at advancing our cause than I ever imagined.

The list of details would be huge, but in the macro, just look at how the Democrats have exposed themselves as violent, authoritarian Marxists to our general population. When the liberal media screwed over Ron Paul our small group noticed but when the MSM did it to Trump the mass of Republican VOTERS finally took notice. Trust in the media is at an all time low and that is great because the MSM doesn't deserve any trust. Millions more people being grossed out by the left = WIN!

Meanwhile over in the Republican party we see an internal war... WIN! Neocons are now disposed by Republican VOTERS. The voters have moved in a more libertarian direction. The mass of Republican VOTERS now realize what we were telling them, that their party is corrupt and just the other side of the Republicrat coin. Millions more people being grossed out by the GOP = WIN!

It doesn't matter that this isn't the perfect vision of Harry Browne at this time. This is a positive movement in the right direction.

If we want liberty and justice, coupled with free and honest markets, then the new right is that viable path to pursue our mission.

Everything else is meaningless minutiae that interferes with our mission.

 

[acptulsa]

You didn't know who Dinesh D'Souza was?

Leave it to a Californian to disregard everything but this.

 

[acptulsa]

Ron Paul taught me a lesson in 2007 and that lesson is, the Libertarian Party is a waste of time and the Republican Party is the only viable path to pursue our mission. Dr Paul learned this lesson and shared it with us. I have taken that to heart.

You make some good points, and some excellent points. But I'm not sure Dr. Ron would be entirely pleased to hear that part.



All I know is, we won't save ourselves by taking long rides around Miami on the short bus, like Ron Paul's delegates did in 2012.

 

[dannno]

Leave it to a Californian to disregard everything but this.

I've already made my thoughts on Giuliani abundantly clear. Why was Giuliani fighting so hard for Trump all of a sudden? He just sorta came out of nowhere, split with the other neocons and fought for Trump like his life depended on it. Well, maybe his life did depend on it? What does Trump know about 9/11? What does Giuliani know Trump knows about 9/11?

 

[acptulsa]

I've already made my thoughts on Giuliani abundantly clear. Why was Giuliani fighting so hard for Trump all of a sudden?

Fighting? Lord, dannno, what drug could possibly transform that deliberate sabotage of the election investigation into a fight for Trump in your mind?

You need to turn off Tim Pool and read more of the articles linked to on this forum.

Trump didn't insult the guy so dannno refuses to see just how completely old Rudy torpedoed the whole enterprise. Lordy lordy. That's just frightening.

 

[Cleaner44]

You make some good points, and some excellent points. But I'm not sure Dr. Ron would be entirely pleased to hear that part.



All I know is, we won't save ourselves by taking long rides around Miami on the short bus, like Ron Paul's delegates did in 2012.

Regardless of this RT media video, when I attended campaign meetings in 2007, I was taught that there is a good reason Ron Paul returned to the Republican party after running as a Libertarian in 1988. If you are under the impression that Dr. Paul was suggesting that the best path to liberty is the Libertarian party, I think he would disagree with you.

Voting 3rd party does serve a purpose, which is why I have done it. I voted to punish the Republican POLITICIANS in 2004, 2008 and 2012. I voted to reward the Republican VOTERS IN 2016.

Republican VOTERS are our allies. That doesn't mean that we always agree, but they are the allies of liberty. The Democrat voters are the enemy of liberty. If you don't see this point clearly then you need to step back and refocus.

 

[nobody's_hero]

There probably won't be much thought put into it if I end up voting for Trump.

If I vote for Trump that means that after working within the primary system and with local GOP meetings, there was a failure to offer up anything better than Trump. It is really too soon for me to give a yea or nea because good lord there are some real sleazeballs that the GOP leadership can heave onto the voters, and I am sure the dems will do everything they can to work with said neocon leadership to ensure that the people's choice (regardless of our opinions of their choices) won't see the light of election day.

I absolutely WILL do everything in my power to vote against some cvnt like Liz Cheney if she turns out to be the establishment's horse. And with the liberal media throwing parades for her and roses at her feet, I would put her as one of the likely establishment-stamped contenders, despite what Republicans in Wyoming think of her.

 

[acptulsa]

Regardless of this RT media video, when I attended campaign meetings in 2007, I was taught that there is a good reason Ron Paul returned to the Republican party after running as a Libertarian in 1988.

Yes, yes. Ron Paul said the same. But he also used the whole thing, in the end, to try to get other parties some leeway, and wean people from the duopoly. And with good reason...

Voting 3rd party does serve a purpose, which is why I have done it. I voted to punish the Republican POLITICIANS in 2004, 2008 and 2012. I voted to reward the Republican VOTERS IN 2016.

Republican VOTERS are our allies. That doesn't mean that we always agree, but they are the allies of liberty. The Democrat voters are the enemy of liberty. If you don't see this point clearly then you need to step back and refocus.

Right, right. I see it, thank you. I'm not dannno, unable to see anything until some celebrity tells me it's there. But if the organization is so overrun with corruption and intransigence that it actually is easier to get the voters to switch than to clean it out, you have to be ready to take that tack.

I don't know which might work first, and though you're invoking Ron's good name, I don't see any sign that he does either.

 

[acptulsa]

There probably won't be much thought put into it if I end up voting for Trump.

If I vote for Trump that means that after working within the primary system and with local GOP meetings, there was a failure to offer up anything better than Trump. It is really too soon for me to give a yea or nea because good lord there are some real sleazeballs that the GOP leadership can heave onto the voters, and I am sure the dems will do everything they can to work with said neocon leadership to ensure that the people's choice (regardless of our opinions of their choices) won't see the light of election day.

I absolutely WILL do everything in my power to vote against some cvnt like Liz Cheney if she turns out to be the establishment's horse. And with the liberal media throwing parades for her and roses at her feet, I would put her as one of the likely establishment-stamped contenders, despite what Republicans in Wyoming think of her.

This. I remember Dubya. I remember his daddy. I'm not going to be a team player for the GOP and turn off my discretion and good sense under any circumstances.

Sure, it's the party that gave us Coolidge and Eisenhower. Since then, it gave us Nixon and two Bushes who gave me the bird. It may be making dannno happy, but what has it done for me lately?

Try to affect the GOP primary process. If you can't, then they don't deserve your support in the general. They don't deserve it.

 

[orafi]

Vote for Grandpa Moderna? Nah. I don’t like immoral and promiscuous trannies.

 

[Cleaner44]

Yes, yes. Ron Paul said the same. But he also used the whole thing, in the end, to try to get other parties some leeway, and wean people from the duopoly. And with good reason...



Right, right. I see it, thank you. I'm not dannno, unable to see anything until some celebrity tells me it's there. But if the organization is so overrun with corruption and intransigence that it actually is easier to get the voters to switch than to clean it out, you have to be ready to take that tack.

I don't know which might work first, and though you're invoking Ron's good name, I don't see any sign that he does either.

Well I don't need Ron to tell me what's there, I can see it for myself.

What I am wondering is, what plan or path do yo see for the mission going forward?

 

[acptulsa]

Well I don't need Ron to tell me what's there, I can see it for myself.

What I am wondering is, what plan or path do yo see for the mission going forward?

Hell, man, I don't have a crystal ball. We don't need one plan, we need five or six, and an ability to play it by ear when none of them work quite right.

You want to overthrow the status quo in a neat and tidy manner, without the quarterback ever calling an audible? Don't know it has ever worked that way anywhere.

All I know is, place a childish, dannno-the-groupie-like faith in a fiscally irresponsible ex-Democrat New York proven failure is not one of the plans that might get us there. I have long told mistreated spouses that bullies never, never, ever change while they're getting what they want. The GOP is a bully, and if you want different behavior out of it, it has to understand you aren't so scared of the alternative that you won't dump the damned thing right on its ass when it refuses to be different from that "alternative".

 

[Cleaner44]

Hell, man, I don't have a crystal ball. We don't need one plan, we need five or six, and an ability to play it by ear when none of them work quite right.

You want to overthrow the status quo in a neat and tidy manner, without the quarterback ever calling an audible? Don't know it has ever worked that way anywhere.

All I know is, place a childish, fannno-like faith in a fiscally irresponsible ex-Democrat New York proven failure is not one of the plans that might get us there.

What I know is that the Trump presidency and all that has come with it, has had more real world results than both Ron Paul campaigns combined.

Now I am not knocking what we did in 2008 and 2012, and I do think we helped make 2016 happen, but nobody knew what the hell we were talking about in 2008 when we were telling them the news is fake. Now they do.

Now countless million of people realize that the pharmaceutical companies are crooked.

People see that the schools are full of groomers.

People know now that universities are Marxist factories.

This is all happening regardless of your complaining about Trump and his big spending ways.

Nobody anywhere is arguing that Trump is better than Harry Browne when it comes to policy.

I am just saying that we have some significant wins to celebrate and its ok to thank Trump for his role in making this happen.

Or one can just screech Orange Man Bad!!!

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

My Great Grandmother that died in 1953 voted 74 times in 16 states for Biden in the last election.