So what do you DISAGREE about with Ron Paul?

[Brassmouth]

• I disagree with him on abortion. I think Roe vs. Wade should be maintained. It is non-coersive, it forces nobody to have/perform abortions, but allows anybody to do so if they wish. You can't get much more libertarian than that, folks.
• His announcement regarding his support of Chuck Baldwin was the most counterproductive thing he could have done. I am also convinced that it was out of spite.
• I don't like the fact that he keeps endorsing "nobodies." The Ron Paul Endorsement should be saved only for true patriots and people worthy of money-bombs. In a sense, he is subjecting his endorsement power to "inflation" and devaluing it.
• I only mention this because someone above me said this: I haven't heard him state that he acknowledged the Theory of Evolution.
• His obsession with trying to reform the GOP (his reason for not leaving the party and running third party or independent) is ridiculous, the GOP has been taken over by biblethumpers and neocons. That's not going to change. He should have never given up the presidential race.
• He seems to support strict border control, however simply ending amnesty would be sufficient. Keep people out of the country simply because we don't like them is very anti-freedom indeed.
• (Ugh, I'm gonna get flamed for this.) IMO, he talks about the constitution too much. It makes him seem like an ancient history teacher to some, notably younger sheeple. I also don't like the tendency to equate the constitution to some sort of libertarian bible. True, much of what it says is libertarian, but it also affords the states too much power. It should restrain government at all levels.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

His announcement regarding his support of Chuck Baldwin was the most counterproductive thing he could have done. I am also convinced that it was out of spite.

You really would've preferred it if he endorsed McCain?

I haven't heard him state that he acknowledged the Theory of Evolution.

To acknowledge that would be to give the thumbs up to the scam that is public schools.

His obsession with trying to reform the GOP (his reason for not leaving the party and running third party or independent) is ridiculous, the GOP has been taken over by biblethumpers and neocons. That's not going to change. He should have never given up the presidential race.

Running third party would be counterproductive. He lost the nomination because he refused to take sound advice from a man with a bad reputation and instead kissed up to Wolf Blitzer.

 

[v00513]

-The Sanctity of Life act (this was what my first post was about) -- I absolutely disagree with allowing genetic defects and those with non-cureable health conditions, victims of rape or incest, the right to live.
-Federal ban on embryonic stem cell research, prostitution and euthanasia
-The right for queers to marry

Anything else I can think of, I'll try to add later.

 

[yaz]

His endorsement of Chuck Baldwin.

 

[v00513]

His endorsement of Chuck Baldwin.

What may I ask, is wrong with Chuck Baldwin? He's the most moral man running for President, and yet a lot of the members here don't support him.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't realise your name was yaz. That explains a lot.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

What may I ask, is wrong with Chuck Baldwin?

He's not the figurehead of the personality cult that they all fell in love with. The millions spent marketing Paul to the masses were spent to market Paul, not Baldwin.

 

[Brassmouth]

Well, he wants a government.

QFT!

nuke power
the capitol investment is HUGE
maintnance & disposal cost are HUGE and DANGEROUS
chernobyl
not many continous jobs once built, i prefer agri power and material solutions whenever possible
future meltdown sites, ill pass

You're basing your knowledge on the safety of nuclear reactors off of a state-run Soviet reactor, that was outdated back when it blew up!?! Also, the free market is more than capable of raising huge amounts of capital, and as far as disposal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain

Free markets don't work for the exact same reason.

You have a horribly skewed conception of what a free market is, and how it operates. I recommend you read some of the books on RP's reading list.

Nothing. Ron Paul is right about everything. He changed my stance on abortion.

That is an extremely dangerous viewpoint. I hope you're not really that close-minded to belief that a man can be "right about everything." The forums in general have given RP a sort of cult of personality. He's just a man, people....

Pay them well and it would be done within a year or less.

The states have no right to sanction murder. Government's job is to protect life.

1) That's ridiculous. Not only would that have no point, it is physically impossible to locate, restrain, transport, and drop off millions of illegal immigrants. How childish.

2)You're right, the states have no right to sanction murder. However abortion is not murder so I fail to see your point.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

1) That's ridiculous. Not only would that have no point, it is physically impossible to locate, restrain, transport, and drop off millions of illegal immigrants. How childish.

2)You're right, the states have no right to sanction murder. However abortion is not murder so I fail to see your point.

Abortion is murder. Life begins at conception.

The illegals can be rounded up pretty quickly once the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is abolished and standards of citizenship change. Free association means your business can demand implantable chips for everyone doing business with them. Chips which contain DNA info, which will be the standard for citizenship as well.

The forums in general have given RP a sort of cult of personality. He's just a man, people....

We need a powerful personality cult type of leader. This way the people take their orders from him, not the MSM. However, that leader must make sure he doesn't step out of line with the elite that market him.

 

[Brassmouth]

You really would've preferred it if he endorsed McCain?

Why would you bring up Mccain? Of course not. I would have preferred him to run himself, but if he had to endorse someone it should have been Bob Barr.

To acknowledge that would be to give the thumbs up to the scam that is public schools.

...That makes absolutely no sense. What does the Theory of Evolution have to do with public schools, besides the fact that it is taught there? The Atomic Theory is taught in public schools too, should he reject that? How about Newton's Laws of Thermodynamics?

Running third party would be counterproductive. He lost the nomination because he refused to take sound advice from a man with a bad reputation and instead kissed up to Wolf Blitzer.

He lost the nomination because the media fucked him over, and the average American is fucking stupid.

What may I ask, is wrong with Chuck Baldwin?

He's a biblethumping protectionist theocrat that has no respect for freedom and no understanding of economics. He is also a shill for conspiracy theory.

 

[angelatc]

Wherever free markets exist.

But it's not going to work here. We have too many social programs, EPA regulations, etc etc.

Hong Kong and Singapore are probably the only two places with free trade policies that have succeeded.

But you can't believe in copyright law and a Hong Kong market. They're incompatible.

 

[angelatc]

You have a horribly skewed conception of what a free market is, and how it operates. I recommend you read some of the books on RP's reading list.

Bite me. I have read more than you ever will. Ron Paul believes in tariffs.

I am prefectly clear on how a free market is supposed to work, and I am old enough to know that other countries game the system, making fair trade a better option.

Like it or not, I disagree with the concept of free markets being a viable alternative in today's environment.

 

[Brassmouth]

Abortion is murder. Life begins at conception.

That's your opinion. I respectfully and vehemently disagree.

The illegals can be rounded up pretty quickly once the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is abolished and standards of citizenship change. Free association means your business can demand implantable chips for everyone doing business with them.

Once again, impossible. If you don't believe so then prove me wrong.

 

[Brassmouth]

Bite me. Ron Paul believes in tariffs.

Ad hominem attacks prove your ignorance. And yes, RP does believe in tariffs. Were you trying to make some kind of point? If so, you failed.

 

[JS4Pat]

Nothing. Ron Paul is right about everything. He changed my stance on abortion.

Wow - That is great to hear.

He changed my position on abortion as well. I have always been Pro-Life - but he made me realize the issue does not belong at the federal level. It should be decided by the states.

 

[angelatc]

Ad hominem attacks prove your ignorance. And yes, RP does believe in tariffs. Were you trying to make some kind of point? If so, you failed.

THe only point I was trying to make was that I disagree with Ron Paul about free trade.

Accusing me of not being well read was the attack. I was only responding in kind.

dumbassmouth.

 

[angelatc]

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Once again, impossible. If you don't believe so then prove me wrong.

Get 12 million Americans to stop paying taxes and see how fast they are rounded up. Prove me wrong.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

That's your opinion. I respectfully and vehemently disagree.

So it's only murder once it starts breathing? Life begins at first breath? Why not let life begin at first word or first job?

Once again, impossible. If you don't believe so then prove me wrong.

Henry Ford proved a lot of people wrong regarding what they told him was impossible. The invasion will be thwarted.

Why would you bring up Mccain? Of course not. I would have preferred him to run himself, but if he had to endorse someone it should have been Bob Barr.

He was your personality cult leader and you miss him.

He lost the nomination because the media fucked him over, and the average American is fucking stupid.

He could've danced around the Ron Paul Political Report scandal and became the greatest nationalist hero in American history, but he fucked himself and his supporters over by kissing up to communists MLK and Rosa Parks.

But it's not going to work here. We have too many social programs, EPA regulations, etc etc.

Hong Kong and Singapore are probably the only two places with free trade policies that have succeeded.

But you can't believe in copyright law and a Hong Kong market. They're incompatible.

EPA regs, social progs, and copyrights will be eliminated to herald in the new dawn of the free market. Hail the new dawn!

 

[v00513]

Brassmouth, the average anyone is stupid. And if anything, I'd say we Europeans are more so than anyone. We've been lied to repeatedly for seven decades now, about everything. So this plague that we have has only moved west, and I with it, hoping that the outcome here will be different than back in that islamic shithole everyone calls Europe. Looks like it won't be, unfortunately.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

Brassmouth, the average anyone is stupid. And if anything, I'd say we Europeans are more so than anyone. We've been lied to repeatedly for seven decades now, about everything. So this plague that we have has only moved west, and I with it, hoping that the outcome here will be different than back in that islamic shithole everyone calls Europe. Looks like it won't be, unfortunately.

That's gullibility, not stupidity. Word is getting out and people are wising up. Nationalism based on genetics is on the rise worldwide.

 

[H Roark]

* His TV advertisement that stated student visas should be denied, if said student comes from a "terrorist" country.

* His constant riffing on abolishing the Dept. of Education, which in actuality only imposes the No Child Left Behind onto the State Dept. of Education. Some people get the wrong impression that as president he can abolish all public education.

* The fact that he did not call out Anderson Cooper and the MSM during his last national televised debate on CNN. Sorry I cannot get over this debate, I still seethe from it.

* I also think that receiving a Ron Paul endorsement is something that should only be reserved for candidates that share in his Freedom Principals. To all the detractors; Chuck Baldwin fits the bill.

* I don't think he makes a valid case for environmental protection. He should of really hashed his ideas out and expanded on them during the campaign. I read the Manifesto and found his proposals for environmental protection inadequate.