So now what?

[wgadget]

Ah, cat-herding...

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Personally, I'm waiting to see Rush Limbaugh do an about face. If you listen to him (I do for a chuckle), it is UNBELIEVABLE how behind Romney this asshat is. Romney is the opposite of EVERYTHING that Limburger has been preaching all these years but somehow he brought himself to forsake everything he professed to believe in to give Romney his full support. Go figure. So, when he does the same for a Liberty candidate (Rand maybe?) then we can talk.

They have no real political philosophy or internal principal, it's their biggest weakness. Once again, Ron Paul was right @ 2:05

 

[sailingaway]

Ah, cat-herding...

you can't herd cats, you have to tempt them with something they want, so they WANT to come to or with you.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I presume your point is what the RNC is doing to Ron/us. Aside from that let's see from '08-present, we own the IA, NV and AK state parties, we will have controlling interests in likely ME, MN, LA, OK, MI and a few others if things hold and our delegates show, instead of just Ron in the House we'll have Massie, Bentivolio, Amash, perhaps Robinson, the RP dem (dude on the underwear bomber flight) from here in MI, some other obscures that I can't think of, Rand in the Senate along w/ Lee, DeMint, Cruz, perhaps Bills and a few others in the TP caucus, loads more precinct delegates across the landscape, we actually have more than a handful of at-large nat'l dels and committeepersons, and more that don't rightly come to mind.

Great summation of our accomplishments thus far.

+Rep

 

[sailingaway]

They have no real political philosophy or internal principal, it's their biggest weakness. Once again, Ron Paul was right @ 2:05

odd you picked a 2008 video right after he had appeared with various third party candidates saying what was important was the principles and platforms and putting out a four point platform he endorsed, challenging parties to accept it.

 

[Rocco]

I'm not bullying anyone, but the fact of the matter is the large majority of us have decided to go one way with the movement. It's not that people who dont join the GOP aren't welcome to be a part of the movement, it's just that the legitimate activism of the movement will be entirely GOP centric for the foreseeable future. Therefore, libertarian party members (for example) will basically have the same ineffective outlets they did before. Really the liberty movement and the libertarian party are two separate movements in that their basic functions and basic goals are different. My appeal is for those people to join the superior liberty movement that has clearly made all the progress and abandon the plan that has shown itself to be completely ineffective.

so you get to bully people to do it your way?

Where's your nonagression principle?



fascinating. You might want to run that by Ron.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

The only thing I was referencing is the relentless trash talking of Ron's concept to restore the GOP beyond making one's initial point. Sorry if cajun took offense and as I said I normally don't go for banning nor have I ever neg repped someone I didn't see eye to eye with. But, I'm starting to see a mini-conspiracy club around here with the blatant attempt to troll Ron's own forum to do other things besides his mission. I realize Ron's own buddies like Lew and Woods don't do politics yet they aren't out bashing those who do nor crapping on Ron for pushing for this. The successes we've had across the scenery injecting our people into the GOP is beyond questioning and reproach based on current results yet some will stop at nothing to find any wedge to muddy the waters all the while abusing this forum to do so.

You're not the only one seeing something is rotten in the state of Denmark. We must separate genuine disillusionment (Sematary) and the mini-conspiracy club that trashes Ron Paul's restore the GOP concept with every post. They're like moths to a flame piling on when a genuine person is feeling discouraged.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Great summation of our accomplishments thus far.

+Rep

Do we own NV? LA? MI? OK? If so, why doesn't RP have 5 states, and exactly what good has "owning" those done? RP lost NV, placed third in Iowa behind Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney, and let's not talk about LA, MI, and the others.

Ron Paul lost Nevada behind NEWT GINGRICH.

Again, I have said it before, if this was about a movement/message...whatever the campaign is selling you for wasting your time/money, there are several other ways to have "ended" this that might have been slightly difficult for some, but at least had a foundation to move forward on and not sit by in silence as the entire thing was/is collapsing.

The gains that have been made though, I give credit to the supporters for getting out and investing their time/money into those areas, not the campaign. The problem is, with gains, there have been losses. Some very good "liberty" candidates has lost, and the GOP/RNC know the RP supporters more by name now, and will come out in full force against them.

The campaign has been effective in a few things though. Causing a split the "movement", and being absolutely horrible at what it was designed to do: getting RP elected.

 

[Sematary]

There's an inordinate number of us in the liberty movement,...especially since we only comprise 2% of the population.

I'm an ENTJ

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not bullying anyone, but the fact of the matter is the large majority of us have decided to go one way with the movement. It's not that people who dont join the GOP aren't welcome to be a part of the movement, it's just that the legitimate activism of the movement will be entirely GOP centric for the foreseeable future. Therefore, libertarian party members (for example) will basically have the same ineffective outlets they did before. Really the liberty movement and the libertarian party are two separate movements in that their basic functions and basic goals are different. My appeal is for those people to join the superior liberty movement that has clearly made all the progress and abandon the plan that has shown itself to be completely ineffective.

who elected you spokesman for 'the movement'?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

odd you picked a 2008 video right after he had appeared with various third party candidates saying what was important was the principles and platforms and putting out a four point platform he endorsed, challenging parties to accept it.

I think Ron learned that that was a terrible strategy, especially when Bob Barr was a no show. I don't think he anticipated inciting a real movement. That's why his later efforts have been much more focused (C4L, YAL, Restore the GOP), instead of saying do whatever.

 

[sailingaway]

You're not the only one seeing something is rotten in the state of Denmark. We must separate genuine disillusionment (Sematary) and the mini-conspiracy club that trashes Ron Paul's restore the GOP concept with every post. They're like moths to a flame piling on when a genuine person is feeling discouraged.

what I see is people trying to drive people so hard in one direction that they are driving them away, and I think you are going to create what you fear.

 

[Carlybee]

All I see here are directives and ultimatums. Sorry but none of you get to define the liberty movement in terms directly opposed to the very definition of the word liberty. We do as we wish...keep your collectivism but you can't force anyone to crawl in bed with the devil.

 

[sailingaway]

I think Ron learned that that was a terrible strategy, especially when Bob Barr was a no show. I don't think he anticipated inciting a real movement. That's why his later efforts have been much more focused (C4L, YAL, Restore the GOP), instead of saying do whatever.

He has said 'do whatever' on the campaign trail in 2011 and 2012, actually.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

Sounds like a good GOP/RNC model to follow. Just taking lessons from the professionals apparently.

Clever yet not so much. The difference is the RNC cheating and committing fraud yet those of us that want either the trolls to behave or gtfo are completely transparent about it and have put up with it for months and it's climaxing now. The saturation of negativity about Ron's restoration program and the overlooking of any of its successes is rampant by a small cabal of rabid saboteurs. Just calling it as is.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Do we own NV? LA? MI? OK? If so, why doesn't RP have 5 states, and exactly what good has "owning" those done? RP lost NV, placed third in Iowa behind Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney, and let's not talk about LA, MI, and the others.

Ron Paul lost Nevada behind NEWT GINGRICH.

Again, I have said it before, if this was about a movement/message...whatever the campaign is selling you for wasting your time/money, there are several other ways to have "ended" this that might have been slightly difficult for some, but at least had a foundation to move forward on and not sit by in silence as the entire thing was/is collapsing.

The gains that have been made though, I give credit to the supporters for getting out and investing their time/money into those areas, not the campaign. The problem is, with gains, there have been losses. Some very good "liberty" candidates has lost, and the GOP/RNC know the RP supporters more by name now, and will come out in full force against them.

The campaign has been effective in a few things though. Causing a split the "movement", and being absolutely horrible at what it was designed to do: getting RP elected.

I really don't want to rehash Nevada with you *sigh* but we didn't really control Nevada until AFTER the primary. We made our biggest gains at the conventions.

 

[coffeewithchess]

I think Ron learned that that was a terrible strategy, especially when Bob Barr was a no show. I don't think he anticipated inciting a real movement. That's why his later efforts have been much more focused (C4L, YAL, Restore the GOP), instead of saying do whatever.

When Bob Barr didn't show? Serioiusly? Ron Paul didn't endorse Bob Barr in 2008, and he didn't endorse John McCain (the Republican nominee). Ron Paul endorsed a third party candidate.

 

[Rocco]

Well, I attended the YAL National Convention where nearly all of the lectures and training sessions centered around taking back the GOP. It certainly seemed like the leaders of the movement have coalesced around the GOP. It's pretty obvious that our movement is GOP centric. I'm not a spokesman for anything, i'm just not a fool.

who elected you spokesman for 'the movement'?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

He has said 'do whatever' on the campaign trail in 2011 and 2012, actually.

No, he clearly stated he wanted to reform the GOP and get his supporters involved with the political process at the state, delegate, and convention level.

 

[coffeewithchess]

I really don't want to rehash Nevada with you *sigh* but we didn't really control Nevada until AFTER the primary. We made our biggest gains at the conventions.

Which is my point. If the "gains" made were the delegate strategy, how exactly did that pay off?