So now what?

[Bastiat's The Law]

Well, Ron's plan is to take over the GOP. In the past, people were booted for not supporting Ron's plans. Yet today, this thread is rife with people who are not only quitting and/or migrating to third parties, but are adamant that those of us who are staying need to be talked out of it.

Like I said, it appears that the days of being banned for not supporting Ron's plans are over.

Aside from that, any effort that divides the movement is a loss to the movement UNLESS we pick up a new faction in the exchange. The more people that leave, the weaker the movement becomes and the less likely that the politicians we support will stay true, or in office.

It's astonishing that Ron Paul's plan and people following his plan are openly attacked for doing so on a Ron Paul website. I can understand some depressed supporters and even a few dropping out politically, but there's a coordinated effort on these forums to kick us when we're down and discourage us from further participation in the political process. And its in numerous threads, over and over again...usually by the same handful of screen names.

If these people really despise Ron Paul's plan of reforming the GOP than why are they here constantly attacking it? If they truly believed in something better wouldn't they be out working towards it instead of posting defeatism ad nauseam on an internet forum? These are obvious divide and conquer tactics by saboteurs.

 

[sailingaway]

It's astonishing that Ron Paul's plan and people following his plan are openly attacked for doing so on a Ron Paul website. I can understand some depressed supporters and even a few dropping out politically, but there's a coordinated effort on these forums to kick us when we're down and discourage us from further participation in the political process. And its in numerous threads, over and over again...usually by the same handful of screen names.

If these people really despise Ron Paul's plan of reforming the GOP than why are they here constantly attacking it? If they truly believed in something better wouldn't they be out working towards it instead of posting defeatism ad nauseam on an internet forum? These are obvious divide and conquer tactics by saboteurs.

Ron actually has been known to say this should be in ALL parties which means some of his supporters would have to carry it. He has also, unlike you, typically addressed the question of "what should I do" with the answer: "You should do whatever you choose to do!"

At one college he added, "And you may choose to do nothing, which in my opinion would be the wrong choice."

 

[cajuncocoa]

It's astonishing that Ron Paul's plan and people following his plan are openly attacked for doing so on a Ron Paul website. I can understand some depressed supporters and even a few dropping out politically, but there's a coordinated effort on these forums to kick us when we're down and discourage us from further participation in the political process. And its in numerous threads, over and over again...usually by the same handful of screen names.

If these people really despise Ron Paul's plan of reforming the GOP than why are they here constantly attacking it? If they truly believed in something better wouldn't they be out working towards it instead of posting defeatism ad nauseam on an internet forum? These are obvious divide and conquer tactics by saboteurs.

What is it going to take to get you to take my username out of your sig line?

I'll remove your name from mine when you do the right thing.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

While I'm not big on banning, I really think it speaks to the morality and integrity of those who would use private property here to relentlessly sabotage the official liberty movement as guided by Ron. Yet, the more I think of it, those who would go out of their way to actively piss on Ron's legacy perhaps should be banned. People are free to make their own choices as to what is effective activism but not to pursue it through this online channel. Again, I understand peoples' newly found frustrations but keep the hysteria to yourselves. Holding up what the RNC did as conclusive evidence that we as a whole will never be able to make any further headway is bunk and they know it. However, it is a convenient time to spread division amongst the onlookers who are perusing this board for direction. Mods need to tighten the leash esp in GRC of RPF.

Here, here!

 

[cajuncocoa]

delete

 

[MelissaWV]

So now what? Now we fight amongst ourselves over stupid crap, like whether or not we can have other folks' names in our sigs.

THAT'LL SHOW 'EM!

 

[cajuncocoa]

So now what? Now we fight amongst ourselves over stupid crap, like whether or not we can have other folks' names in our sigs.

THAT'LL SHOW 'EM!

Not about having names in sig lines, but whether to have name-calling of others in sig lines. Capiche?

 

[sailingaway]

Not about having names in sig lines, but whether to have name-calling of others in sig lines. Capiche?

this is in fact against TOS and goes to yours as well. Please remove it.

 

[Carlybee]

So now what? Now we fight amongst ourselves over stupid crap, like whether or not we can have other folks' names in our sigs.

THAT'LL SHOW 'EM!

Easy to say when it's not happening to you isn't it? We have a point of view that is shared by quite a few people on this board yet CC and I are the main one's being called out for it.

 

[cajuncocoa]

this is in fact against TOS and goes to yours as well. Please remove it.

Done.

 

[sailingaway]

Done.

thank you.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

DAMNIT!!! Every time I think that I should just tell the GOP to FUCK itself, I find people such as yourself talking sense. STOP IT!
Do you think it would be easier to take over the Democratic party? lol

Umm, no lol. The democratic party is utterly hopeless. Another lesson from Ron Paul's run, that Brian Doherty points out so well, is that very few democrates actually care about protecting civil liberties or ending the wars. The biggest mover to those people is income RE-distribution on a massive scale. It's virtually their religion.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Well, you have to be honest. The Liberty movement has made tremendous inroads in the last 4 years.
I AM willing to give Rand an opportunity to prove that he is the man we hope he is.
In the meantime - goddam GOP

You're good man Sematary. Just do what everyone did last go around, get drunk or go to the firing range and pop off a few rounds. Not at the same time mind you

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

You'll know that the GOP has turned the corner when it is renounced by William Kristol.

Don't hold your breath.

I'm hard pressed to think of a more worthy goal actually!

 

[coffeewithchess]

Interesting attempt to squash dissent (as well as the truth) coming from someone who professes to be part of a FREE state.(If one goes by the FSP in your handle). CC is not the only one who feels that way...are you going to try and have everyone banned who disagrees that the Republican party can be reformed?

Sounds like a good GOP/RNC model to follow. Just taking lessons from the professionals apparently.

 

[Rocco]

Excuse me, but what gives you more authority then Ron Paul to decide what our movement is about? You do realize that the OFFICIAL Ron Paul rally is centered around the idea of taking back the GOP, right? You do realize that HE has directed all of the changes that have been made by the campaign to better our GOP standing, right? If Bastiat is an outsider then Ron Paul is an outsider. Unfortunately, I think that is EXACTLY the mentality of many of these ancap/kokesh types who continue to decry the movement.

Yeah, but your entire participation in this subforum has been to pull people OUT of it to your projects, so I kind of personally see you more as an outsider (on this subforum, not to the forums overall) trying to make everyone go your way, than as one of the members of this subforum community determining direction.

 

[sailingaway]

Excuse me, but what gives you more authority then Ron Paul to decide what our movement is about? You do realize that the OFFICIAL Ron Paul rally is centered around the idea of taking back the GOP, right? You do realize that HE has directed all of the changes that have been made by the campaign to better our GOP standing, right? If Bastiat is an outsider then Ron Paul is an outsider. Unfortunately, I think that is EXACTLY the mentality of many of these ancap/kokesh types who continue to decry the movement.

I'm not defining what OUR movement is about, and Ron has made it clear everyone should do what they think is right, in ALL parties and outside politics as well, and that HIS choice is to work in the GOP and he cites his reasons for his choice.

I never said Bastiat is an outsider to the movement, he knows who he is. But he wasn't part of pushing Ron's campaign and participating in activities to further Ron's campaign, which is the purpose of this SUBFORUM. His activity here has been solely to pull people to other activities, so he isn't part of the 'us' deciding what now that Ron's campaign is ending, he left long ago, before he joined the forums, if he was in it previously.

I shouldn't have used the word 'outsider', though, it was careless. He is biased about where we should go because he wants us to push goals he already has and has been trying to get us to push, for months.

 

[Rocco]

Don't give me that self determination garbage, that applies to policy not politics. In politics we must function as a coalition in order to ever effectively change things. This requires that people not do things which are completely destructive, like abandoning the plan to take back the GOP. Our movement is about taking the GOP back, and if you aren't on board to take back the GOP you are not apart of the liberty movement. You may believe in the tenets of liberty but you will not be a part of the group advancing it.

I'm not defining what OUR movement is about, and Ron has made it clear everyone should do what they think is right, in ALL parties and outside politics as well, and that HIS choice is to work in the GOP and he cites his reasons for his choice.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Don't give me that self determination garbage, that applies to policy not politics. In politics we must function as a coalition in order to ever effectively change things. This requires that people not do things which are completely destructive, like abandoning the plan to take back the GOP. Our movement is about taking the GOP back, and if you aren't on board to take back the GOP you are not apart of the liberty movement. You may believe in the tenets of liberty but you will not be a part of the group advancing it.

Are you the decider of who is a part of the liberty movement? LOL! How liberty-minded of you.

 

[sailingaway]

Don't give me that self determination garbage, that applies to policy not politics. In politics we must function as a coalition in order to ever effectively change things. This requires that people not do things which are completely destructive, like abandoning the plan to take back the GOP. Our movement is about taking the GOP back, and if you aren't on board to take back the GOP you are not apart of the liberty movement. You may believe in the tenets of liberty but you will not be a part of the group advancing it.

so you get to bully people to do it your way?

Where's your nonagression principle?

if you aren't on board to take back the GOP you are not apart of the liberty movement

fascinating. You might want to run that by Ron.