So, I hope it is now perfectly clear...

[LibertyEagle]

^^^Good. Too bad so many others chose wrongly.

Which one would have best given you the world government that you are seeking?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Which one would have best given you the world government that you are seeking?

...hopefully someday ?you republicans [and democrats too---but there aren't any here, tmk] get the memo that ?your stinking ($)elections are fraudulent...and that participating in these fraudulent ($)elections is terribly destructive to any honest attempt to improve the mi$erable exi$ting order...

...if you want to/must participate in ($)elections/voting for 'legitimate' local issues, etc...please consider writing F@#& YOU! (in extra heavy lead) in the write-in box of any political race where they offer you nothing but republicrats (that's all of them ime)..

...stop voting for/affirming the stinking republicans and democrats, it only encourages the gd fools...one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind...

 

[jmdrake]

When can we admit there are only like 3 actual conservative Republicans?

 

[merkelstan]

To put things INTO PERSPECTIVE

 

[ARealConservative]

"Protect American interests" is foreign policy code for taking other people's stuff by force. The only justification for armed violence is SELF DEFENSE.

bullshit.

in Rand's case - it is trying move us back into an America First outlook on foreign policy.

 

[Jan2017]

Well, it was pretty minimal, but I guess some people thought it looked 'beautiful' on TV. Do you have an explanation or that? Why did they bomb the airstrip and leave them with a working airstrip?

Here's a Russian Su-22 purportedly taking off "post US strike" . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4r35SnvNmI

This says (in subtitles) the runway was cleared and operational "by noon" [after 3:45am local time attack]
(that second word in Russian title is "Tomahawk")


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfWcXkgyzio

It also says (in subtitles) it is verified that the chemical agent attack in Idlib province "was organized" by "the Jabhat an-Nusra militants"
also, a video shot of a Raytheon label on a fragment about a minute and a half in.

 

[merkelstan]

bull$#@!.

in Rand's case - it is trying move us back into an America First outlook on foreign policy.

LOL - And it was a Germany First outlook on foreign policy to invade Poland? And it was justifiable because it was in 'German Interests'?

 

[Mordan]

LOL - And it was a Germany First outlook on foreign policy to invade Poland? And it was justifiable because it was in 'German Interests'?

Go away sock puppet. This forum is overrun with new fake accounts.. How can a Mars 2017 account have so much rep. This rep has becoming meaningless. Seems you can print reputation at will.

I want to see only replies from people verified as true members.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Go away sock puppet. This forum is overrun with new fake accounts.. How can a Mars 2017 account have so much rep. This rep has becoming meaningless. Seems you can print reputation at will.

I want to see only replies from people verified as true members.

...any post which exposes trumplings as gd fools, apologists for warmongers and terrorists, etc., is generated by 'fake members' the same way any news that exposes trump is 'fake news'...

...you republicans need a place just for yourselves...the same way little leaguers need a league of their own...

 

[shakey1]

So, I hope it is now perfectly clear...

yes, yes... for quite some time now.

 

[merkelstan]

Go away sock puppet. This forum is overrun with new fake accounts.. How can a Mars 2017 account have so much rep. This rep has becoming meaningless. Seems you can print reputation at will.

I want to see only replies from people verified as true members.

I guess even the lowest forms of attack can be a springboard for a 'teaching moment'. So here's my best shot:

First off I'll address a side-issue: neither you nor ARealConservative have responded to my argument. Both resorted to name calling. This is a reliable sign that my comment about the immorality of War in pursuit of "national interests" triggered a deep cognitive dissonance -- Part of your brain knows I'm right, but your ego has erected an emergency wall to full realization of this, so you reflexively attack my person. Please stop being dishonest with yourself, friends.

Secondly, my high reputation with few posts probably results from my posts on a Ron Paul forum reflecting RON PAUL's OPINIONS. So let's take a quick look at those. What kind of war does Ron Paul consider justifiable?

"The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence. All initiation of force is a violation of someone else's rights, whether initiated by an individual or the state, for the benefit of an individual or group of individuals, even if it's supposed to be for the benefit of another individual or group of individuals. Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense." - Ron Paul, Freedom Under Siege (1987)

Ron Paul explicitly has pointed-to the perverse code-speak of "national interest" in foreign policy as a cover for the interests of special interest groups connected to policy makers. I didn't find the best quote of this but this at least indicates the direction of his thinking:

"Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts ... not privileged government contracts to the military-industrial complex, and a foreign policy controlled by corporate interests and overseas investments." - Ron Paul, Has Capitalism Failed? (2002)

"Special interests and the demented philosophy of conquest have driven most wars throughout history." - Ron Paul, Statement on the Iraq War Resolution (February 14, 2007)

"Imagine [...] that thousands of armed foreign troops were constantly patrolling American streets in military vehicles. Imagine they were here under the auspices of "keeping us safe" or "promoting democracy" or "protecting their strategic interests." - Ron Paul, Imagine (2009)

So to summarize, saying that you are pursuing your "interests" as a justification for raping your neighbors wife (I needed sex!) stealing your neighbors car (It's in my interest to have a car!) or killing his dog (I was interested in seeing what it felt like!) is immoral and evil. Just as is your defense of it.

 

[ARealConservative]

LOL - And it was a Germany First outlook on foreign policy to invade Poland? And it was justifiable because it was in 'German Interests'?

you are comparing words with actions.

fucking nut jobs all over the place these days

 

[merkelstan]

you are comparing words with actions.

$#@!ing nut jobs all over the place these days

"But ponies are not toothbrushes"

We were discussing illegitmate justifications for war, which Rand Paul offered. So yes, words are the subject.

 

[ARealConservative]

"But ponies are not toothbrushes"

We were discussing illegitmate justifications for war, which Rand Paul offered. So yes, words are the subject.

illegitimate justifications are words - war is an action and the subject of our debate.

~$#@!ing nut jobs all over the place these days

 

[Jan2017]

In addition to words . . . and the pictures and videos
what are gonna be the "numbers" to help make it all crystal clear for the Syrian scorecard (?)

Trump batting average ? .983
(a solid 58 hits out of 59 tries, using stats from US scorekeepers like Brian Williams maybe)

Trump spent how much in operational costs and weapons in this day (?)
Trump ever get to spend more in a day (?)

Jus' wonderin'

 

[acptulsa]

Which one would have best given you the world government that you are seeking?

Why are you acting like you didn't seek it out yourself?

You were told what you were supporting and you went into full bitch mode in defense of it. Now you have your One World Government, and rather than be happy and pleasant about your victory, here you are continuing to spit vitriol at people who you wrongly believe to love One World Government as much as you do, but prefer a different figurehead than the one you like.

'I did the bidding of the One World Government, and responded to the false flag by killing children, because my daughter told me to.' Oh, you're so right. What a delightful and charming figurehead you chose for this One World Government! Who couldn't be charmed by a figurehead who so loves his daughter that he'll kill innocent civilians on her whim (and cop a feel of her hips every chance he gets)...

 

[euphemia]

I am glad that I am not saved by the grace of government, but by the grace of God. The quality of my life and relationships are not affected by what government does. It can definitely make it more expensive, but I am still free to love and be loved by family and friends.

 

[acptulsa]

I am glad that I am not saved by the grace of government, but by the grace of God. The quality of my life and relationships are not affected by what government does. It can definitely make it more expensive, but I am still free to love and be loved by family and friends.

The quality of your life is not affected by what this government does? That's a neat trick. You should be so kind as to let us in on your secret.

So, while you are basking fat and happy in your faith, what of your brothers and sisters in Syria? Is it not true that what you do for (or unto) the least of these innocent bystanders in Syria, you do unto Him?

 

[Anti Federalist]

The quality of your life is not affected by what this government does? That's a neat trick. You should be so kind as to let us in on your secret.

So, while you are basking fat and happy in your faith, what of your brothers and sisters in Syria? Is it not true that what you do for (or unto) the least of these innocent bystanders in Syria, you do unto Him?

Good to see you...

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing...wish I could ignore government as well.

Kind of tough when these assholes are hut hutting around all over...

 

[jllundqu]

I guess even the lowest forms of attack can be a springboard for a 'teaching moment'. So here's my best shot:

First off I'll address a side-issue: neither you nor ARealConservative have responded to my argument. Both resorted to name calling. This is a reliable sign that my comment about the immorality of War in pursuit of "national interests" triggered a deep cognitive dissonance -- Part of your brain knows I'm right, but your ego has erected an emergency wall to full realization of this, so you reflexively attack my person. Please stop being dishonest with yourself, friends.

Secondly, my high reputation with few posts probably results from my posts on a Ron Paul forum reflecting RON PAUL's OPINIONS. So let's take a quick look at those. What kind of war does Ron Paul consider justifiable?

"The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence. All initiation of force is a violation of someone else's rights, whether initiated by an individual or the state, for the benefit of an individual or group of individuals, even if it's supposed to be for the benefit of another individual or group of individuals. Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense." - Ron Paul, Freedom Under Siege (1987)

Ron Paul explicitly has pointed-to the perverse code-speak of "national interest" in foreign policy as a cover for the interests of special interest groups connected to policy makers. I didn't find the best quote of this but this at least indicates the direction of his thinking:

"Capitalism cherishes voluntary contracts ... not privileged government contracts to the military-industrial complex, and a foreign policy controlled by corporate interests and overseas investments." - Ron Paul, Has Capitalism Failed? (2002)

"Special interests and the demented philosophy of conquest have driven most wars throughout history." - Ron Paul, Statement on the Iraq War Resolution (February 14, 2007)

"Imagine [...] that thousands of armed foreign troops were constantly patrolling American streets in military vehicles. Imagine they were here under the auspices of "keeping us safe" or "promoting democracy" or "protecting their strategic interests." - Ron Paul, Imagine (2009)

So to summarize, saying that you are pursuing your "interests" as a justification for raping your neighbors wife (I needed sex!) stealing your neighbors car (It's in my interest to have a car!) or killing his dog (I was interested in seeing what it felt like!) is immoral and evil. Just as is your defense of it.

It appears cognitive dissonance is not only a defense mechanism of the trumpkin, but it is actually an ideal they strive for!