Shouldn't we be getting ready Rand for a contested convention?

[unknown]

Yes.

If Boehner is saying that Paul Ryan should get the nomination, then HELL YES.

 

[thoughtomator]

All the planning for these things should have started a year ago. Right now if you aren't working on an already-underway-for-2016 effort, you should be focused on 2017 and 2018 state and local elections.

 

[Petar]

Trying to get Rand nominated really only makes you a tool of the establishment at this point...

 

[EBounding]

I'm pretty sure Rand isn't interested in being a long-long-long shot nominee. He's obviously focusing on his re-election and doing his job in the Senate. More power to anyone who wants to be a delegate though.

 

[65fastback2+2]

Besides half the states voting already, you guys realize most of the delegate tricks that worked last time are blocked, right? In my own state, Minnesota, which had a Ron Paul delegate majority last time, delegates are now bound to the straw poll results to prevent another Ron Paul 2012 redux.

It was as longshot last time when Ron Paul kept lots of people energized until nearly the end. This time around, there's no support for Rand delegate fights outside a tiny number of people on this forum. There is no organic momentum remaining for Rand and it seems like he dropped out an eternity ago.

A much better option is funneling that energy into electing other liberty minded candidates.

not completely true.

to contest Trump, the GOP needs a brokered convention to go to the 2nd round of voting.

By rule, starting in the 2nd round, all delegates are unbound.

 

[CPUd]

not completely true.

to contest Trump, the GOP needs a brokered convention to go to the 2nd round of voting.

By rule, starting in the 2nd round, all delegates are unbound.

Aren't there a couple states bound by statute to the 2nd round?

 

[DisneyFan]

It's going to be a total mess if Trump doesn't get enough delegates before the convention. A total, crazy shit show that ends up hurting a number of political futures. I'd rather Rand stay away from it. He has a Senate campaign to run.

 

[Valli6]

Actually, I don't think Rand himself needs to be doing anything other than his job right now. I just hope Paul supporters are ready to back him up if any possibility should arise later on.

 

[65fastback2+2]

Aren't there a couple states bound by statute to the 2nd round?

Not that I am aware...and I figured GOP party rules overrode any state rules anyhow.

 

[dude58677]

So when is the first State Convention?

 

[Anti-Neocon]

The RNC/GOP wants to win the Senate. Rand will ensure that in Kentucky. They aren't going to nominate Rand, or Rob Portman, or any other Senator in a state that could potentially go Democrat. You don't even need to assume them all to be a bunch of lying, corrupt neocons in order to arrive at the conclusion that Rand has no chance.

 

[dude58677]

The RNC/GOP wants to win the Senate. Rand will ensure that in Kentucky. They aren't going to nominate Rand, or Rob Portman, or any other Senator in a state that could potentially go Democrat. You don't even need to assume them all to be a bunch of lying, corrupt neocons in order to arrive at the conclusion that Rand has no chance.

When is the first State Convention?

 

[Ender]

Yes.

If Boehner is saying that Paul Ryan should get the nomination, then HELL YES.

DOUBLE HELL YES! LET'S DO IT!

 

[francisco]

The RNC/GOP wants to win the Senate. Rand will ensure that in Kentucky. They aren't going to nominate Rand, or Rob Portman, or any other Senator in a state that could potentially go Democrat. You don't even need to assume them all to be a bunch of lying, corrupt neocons in order to arrive at the conclusion that Rand has no chance.

Agreed.

Also, Rand at this point has a much better chance of advancing the Liberty cause as a Senator.

I would favor a "Draft Amash" movement as best strategy in a contested convention scenario. To make this work, Liberty people have to get themselves elected as delegates, however temporarily allocated and bound by rule to a different, non-liberty candidate.

Can't vote on the second ballot unless you're on the floor. Rand will not have any delegates allocated to him other than the single delegate that he earned in Iowa, except in the highly-unlikely event that he un-suspends his presidential campaign and then actually gets traction in remaining primaries. Rand will not want to jeopardize his near-certain win in the Senate race for the thin chance of getting the presidential nod at the convention.

 

[dude58677]

Agreed.

Also, Rand at this point has a much better chance of advancing the Liberty cause as a Senator.

I would favor a "Draft Amash" movement as best strategy in a contested convention scenario. To make this work, Liberty people have to get themselves elected as delegates, however temporarily allocated and bound by rule to a different, non-liberty candidate.

Can't vote on the second ballot unless you're on the floor. Rand will not have any delegates allocated to him other than the single delegate that he earned in Iowa, except in the highly-unlikely event that he un-suspends his presidential campaign and then actually gets traction in remaining primaries. Rand will not want to jeopardize his near-certain win in the Senate race for the thin chance of getting the presidential nod at the convention.

We lat least try it and if Rand wants to do it we at least give him the option.

 

[erowe1]

We lat least try it and if Rand wants to do it we at least give him the option.

If he wants to, he needs to say so yesterday.

I see no reason to go through all the trouble and expense of becoming a national convention delegate without Rand even wanting to pursue the nomination.

 

[dude58677]

If he wants to, he needs to say so yesterday.

I see no reason to go through all the trouble and expense of becoming a national convention delegate without Rand even wanting to pursue the nomination.

I don't want to not try. What if we try and prevail? I'm not saying it will happen but I don't want to spend the next 4-8 years asking "What might have been", especially when there is an opportunity this time around.

 

[invisible]

If he wants to, he needs to say so yesterday.

I see no reason to go through all the trouble and expense of becoming a national convention delegate without Rand even wanting to pursue the nomination.

But it isn't just about the national convention. It's about state county executive committees, and chairman positions at every level.

 

[dude58677]

But it isn't just about the national convention. It's about state county executive committees, and chairman positions at every level.

Exactly!

 

[erowe1]

But it isn't just about the national convention. It's about state county executive committees, and chairman positions at every level.

Those are fine things to pursue, and if people want to, then more power to them. But the decision about whether or not to pursue national convention delegate slots is separate from those things.