Should the line about student visas be removed from the new immigration ad?

[Revolution9]

Seeing as I attended a top 5 university in this country and studied engineering I'm going to say this.

What MAKES our schools great IS the internationals. Some of my best friends and smartest people I knew at college were internationals. Not allowing them to come and learn here would be harmful to our country (especially considering that most of them end up staying here).

Your argument would almost imply that we should put an end to immigration or else all the smart internationals would "take our jobs" and we would "become a country of burger flippers, shoe shiners and Fuller brush salesmen."

If we were to not allow internationals to enter our country to study, our schools would take MAJOR hits, because they would lose a lot of talent. I would also like to point out that MOST of my professors were internationals. Should we also not let good teachers come too?

Last point, the best schools in this country are private. Who is the government to indirectly tell these schools what kind of people they can and cannot let study in their privately owned schools?

I see the poignant suggestion within your tome that there is not enough smart Americans to fill those seats. There is the precise reason I take this stance. You also suggest that to have to go to school with other Americans would be less than satisfying as compared to the individuals from other countries. A curious mindset to say the least. As for the professors. I presume they are American? Glad they stayed. Aga Khan did not stay and returned to create a nuclear technology black market of knowledge. It has cost us a great deal of treasure to keep track of this prick and his cohorts at the highest levels of far eastern Asian goverments and what they are up to.

Lastly, the government is not telling them who they can and cannot teach. It is simply dictating who can and cannot enter the country. Once here they can go anywhere their money gets them.

Best Regards
Randy

 

[IHaveaDream]

If this ad keeps running, I doubt that I'll support Ron Paul. Maybe, I'll vote for the Libertarian Party candidate, or maybe I won't vote for anyone. I'm not going to vote for a person I don't trust.

I think most people here would admit to not liking one thing or another about our candidate or our campaign. However, at least you know Ron Paul will abide by the Constitution, the rule of law..and most importantly..the will of the electorate. If he's elected President, he may attempt to enact changes that the majority will reject. If so, he'll accept that and carry on. The other candidates will attempt to force their agendas down our throats whether we like it or not.

 

[Revolution9]

If this ad keeps running, I doubt that I'll support Ron Paul. Maybe, I'll vote for the Libertarian Party candidate, or maybe I won't vote for anyone. I'm not going to vote for a person I don't trust.

Six posts and nothing but whning. The pampers line is over there.. You can pick up the baby powder for your burned ass in the next line. Put your own toys back in the playpen please. Sorry about the lines,. That is the way of socialism..and you seem stuck on it.

HTH
Randy

 

[Minuteman]

Who really gives a fuck, honestly. With whats going on in this country and around the world, you come here to nitpick over scrutinizing student visa's.

 

[user]

Six posts and nothing but whning. The pampers line is over there.. You can pick up the baby powder for your burned ass in the next line. Put your own toys back in the playpen please. Sorry about the lines,. That is the way of socialism..and you seem stuck on it.

HTH
Randy

A socialist who's thinking about voting for a Libertarian?

 

[expatinireland]

Hard to get a complicated idea over in 30 seconds

It is very tough to get ones intent across in 30 seconds.

In this ad, does Ron Paul really mean to ban all students from "terrorist nations"?

Does Saudi Arabia work any less harder against Al Queda than Spain or France works against ETA. The case could be made that China is committing economic terrorism against the USA, so maybe we should ban Chinese students.

I don't believe the intent behind the words is as harsh as the wording in the ad, but the wording leaves too much to the imagination.

Maybe the ad should have just read "stricter controls on student visas".

 

[Materialist]

A socialist who's thinking about voting for a Libertarian?

I've been an advocate of the Free Market for many years and have voted for the Libertarian Party candidate since 1980.

 

[user]

I've been an advocate of the Free Market for many years and have voted for the Libertarian Party candidate since 1980.

I understand, I was responding to Revolution9 calling you a socialist.

 

[apc3161]

I see the poignant suggestion within your tome that there is not enough smart Americans to fill those seats. There is the precise reason I take this stance. You also suggest that to have to go to school with other Americans would be less than satisfying as compared to the individuals from other countries. A curious mindset to say the least. As for the professors. I presume they are American? Glad they stayed. Aga Khan did not stay and returned to create a nuclear technology black market of knowledge. It has cost us a great deal of treasure to keep track of this prick and his cohorts at the highest levels of far eastern Asian goverments and what they are up to.

Lastly, the government is not telling them who they can and cannot teach. It is simply dictating who can and cannot enter the country. Once here they can go anywhere their money gets them.

Best Regards
Randy

No, most of my professors WERE NOT Americans.

I also never implied that there weren't "smart Americans" to take those seats. I just implied that those seats should be reserved for the smartest, international or American.

I don't think you have the slightest understanding how much our country benefits from immigration and international students.

If we were to put an end to this, our country would tank.

We should be encouraging the best and the brightest to come here, study, and work. Not telling them to go somewhere else.

 

[hcbrand]

I'm with Dr. Paul on this. I think the bigger picture here is the idea that if you want the Patriot act rescended and the troops brought home, then securing the borders-from all sides-has to be stepped up. Paying closer attention to who is knocking on the door is not a bad policy.

 

[Materialist]

I've been an advocate of the Free Market for many years and have voted for the Libertarian Party candidate since 1980.

I see! My mistake!

 

[apc3161]

Paying closer attention to who is knocking on the door is not a bad policy.

I agree, but saying NO ONE from a certain countries can't come here to study is ridiculous. I also just don't like the idea of "terrorist nation". RP to me always seemed like the candidate of reason, peace, friendship, et cetera.

The use of the term "terrorist nation" to me sounds like war propaganda that the other campaigns constantly spew out.

Again, thats not to say that we shouldn't enforce visa laws for strictly, or not have meticulous background checks on people who enter the country.

 

[hcbrand]

The use of the term "terrorist nation" to me sounds like war propaganda that the other campaigns constantly spew out.

It was a little surprising to me also (to hear it), but the fine print states that we should 'scrutinize' the ease of obtaining a student visa. I read no where any specific about denying entry to entire countries.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No, most of my professors WERE NOT Americans.

I also never implied that there weren't "smart Americans" to take those seats. I just implied that those seats should be reserved for the smartest, international or American.

I don't think you have the slightest understanding how much our country benefits from immigration and international students.

If we were to put an end to this, our country would tank.

We should be encouraging the best and the brightest to come here, study, and work. Not telling them to go somewhere else.

Wow! I just so totally disagree with you on this. Preference should be given to AMERICANS at our own universities. Allowing some international students is great, but I don't think it is our job to educate the world.

Why is it that you think our country "would tank" if we primarily educated Americans at our universities? I'm really curious. From what I see, we are "tanking" right now, because of the big government managed trade agreements, coupled with all the big government regulations put on American businesses.

To me, this seems like more of the "world citizen" type of stuff. I am not a world citizen, I am an American.

 

[Ron LOL]

Just based on the volume of posts critical of the ad, I think RP definitely does need to clarify what he means.

But that being said, I have no issue with denying student visas wholesale.

It's pretty simple, to me. Ron Paul's foreign policy says we shouldn't intervene in the affairs of other nations. He also feels that economic sanctions are an act of war (or something similar). But one thing we can do is make it clear that we won't put up with another nation's crap (so to speak) if they aren't willing to police themselves.

I have no idea how the background check process works for obtaining a visa, but I have to imagine it relies in large part on the applicant's government furnishing at least some documents. If a nation abides terrorism within its borders, the credibility of its government is damaged IMO. There's a trust relationship here, and I see no reason to trust those who can't keep their own house in order.

 

[Ron LOL]

Wow! I just so totally disagree with you on this. Preference should be given to AMERICANS at our own universities. Allowing some international students is great, but I don't think it is our job to educate the world.

Why is it that you think our country "would tank" if we primarily educated Americans at our universities? I'm really curious. From what I see, we are "tanking" right now, because of the big government managed trade agreements, coupled with all the big government regulations put on American businesses.

To me, this seems like more of the "world citizen" type of stuff. I am not a world citizen, I am an American.

I definitely disagree with you here. With the obvious exceptions Ron Paul raises, our universities should be open to anybody academically qualified and able to pay tuition.

The bachelor's degree is the new high school diploma. A university education used to mean something special, but these days it's just "that thing what comes after high school" to so many Americans. I'm an engineer too, and I studied with plenty of jackasses who didn't appreciate what they were getting. Luckily, the attrition rate in most engineering departments is enough to weed these folks out.

But seriously, I'd rather see foreigners come here to study if they're taking the place of people who honestly just aren't university material*. Smart, hard working folks immigrating to the US in droves has never been a bad thing.

*But will graduate with a degree anyway, thereby diluting the marketability of my degree.

 

[disciple]

The term is divisive, distractive, offensive, inherently false, and is not worthy of the campaign and the good name of Dr. Paul. We may win some voters in the short run but we will definitely lose much more in the long run. We are giving our opponents amnution that could be used effectively against us.

Whoever thought this is a good idea should be fired immedietaly.

 

[Paulinista4TW]

"Terrorist Nations"? Next ad will talk about "axis of evil" maybe? Someone should be fired for this.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I definitely disagree with you here. With the obvious exceptions Ron Paul raises, our universities should be open to anybody academically qualified and able to pay tuition.

The bachelor's degree is the new high school diploma. A university education used to mean something special, but these days it's just "that thing what comes after high school" to so many Americans. I'm an engineer too, and I studied with plenty of jackasses who didn't appreciate what they were getting. Luckily, the attrition rate in most engineering departments is enough to weed these folks out.

But seriously, I'd rather see foreigners come here to study if they're taking the place of people who honestly just aren't university material*. Smart, hard working folks immigrating to the US in droves has never been a bad thing.

*But will graduate with a degree anyway, thereby diluting the marketability of my degree.

I said nothing about lowering the standards to be admitted to a given university. I said preference should be given to Americans and I stand by that.

 

[Ron LOL]

I said nothing about lowering the standards to be admitted to a given university. I said preference should be given to Americans and I stand by that.

So academic affirmative action, basically?