Should Drunk Driving Be Legal?

[Anti Federalist]

Amen, Brother. Wonder what another 8 years will bring us? I'll wager total sobriety for any driver through built in control mechanisms. The breath ignition system is making a killing off the DUI industry but just imagine how much they could make off mandatory installment in all new autos.

Edit: I definitely see .05 in the next 8 years tied to highway funds.

I'm guessing "Zero Tolerance" will be in place by then.

0.00 and road side blood draws in all fifty states.

Watch this:

Once the "sniffers" become mandatory, imagine the boon and windfall to the insurance mafia, when the car's ECU and OBD system report that it smelled or shut down the vehicle due to alcohol and reported it to the onboard snitch box all the insurance companies are pushing now, and will soon be mandatory.

No accident, no ticket, no harm to anyone...but watch your premiums go through the roof.

And all you people rubbing your hands together waiting for the self driving car fleet?

You can just forget about having your car take you home when drunk, no, you will be required to monitor the system in a state of cat like readiness at all times.

Sniffers will shut you down as well.

Ten years...that's when you will see all this, within ten years.

 

[tod evans]

Ten years...that's when you will see all this, within ten years.

1956, points-n-condenser, power nuthin'......

 

[Anti Federalist]

1956, points-n-condenser, power nuthin'......

Banned for road use by the Brussels UN Clean Air Convention of 2019.

 

[Natural Citizen]

With regard to my previous post, I'm talking about people who are so tuned up that they are swerving all over the place and are demonstrating that they are dangerous. A reckless threat to my life. Some of these numbers that AF is mentioning, that's not what I mean by drunk. I'm talking about the ones who get behind the wheel and share the road with our children while shitfaced.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yes, it should be legal.

 

[Suzanimal]

With regard to my previous post, I'm talking about people who are so tuned up that they are swerving all over the place and are demonstrating that they are dangerous. A reckless threat to my life. Some of these numbers that AF is mentioning, that's not what I mean by drunk. I'm talking about the ones who get behind the wheel and share the road with our children while shitfaced.

My dad was swerving all over the road and someone called the cops to report a drunk driver. Luckily, the cop that pulled him over wasn't a complete moron and called an ambulance because my dad was having a massive stroke. I'm just pointing out that there are many reasons other than alcohol or drugs that may make someone drive like that. People having strokes have been know to get arrested for DUI and die in jail.

 

[Natural Citizen]

My dad was swerving all over the road and someone called the cops to report a drunk driver. Luckily, the cop that pulled him over wasn't a complete moron and called an ambulance because my dad was having a massive stroke. I'm just pointing out that there are many reasons other than alcohol or drugs that may make someone drive like that. People having strokes have been know to get arrested for DUI and die in jail.

Yeah, that's a great point, Suzanimal. Dang. My initial thought may not be a good solution, I suppose. Cripes, I'm ready to yank a feller up in distress. Heh. I'm kind of working with the subject here specific to drunk drivers. Actually, my way was comparable to what we're seeing from some police.

Someone smack me in the mouth, please.

I've known a lot of people who have been seriously hurt by drunk drivers is likely why I think the way I do when the subject comes up.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yes, it should be legal.

What If I'm blowing a 3.0 behind the wheel? There is nothing wrong with that in your book?

 

[Suzanimal]

Yeah, that's a great point, Suzanimal. Dang. My initial thought may not be a good solution, I suppose. Cripes, I'm ready to yank a feller up in distress. Heh. I'm kind of working with the subject here specific to drunk drivers. Actually, my way was comparable to what we're seeing from some police.

Someone smack me in the mouth, please.

I've known a lot of people who have been seriously hurt by drunk drivers is likely why I think the way I do when the subject comes up.

That's cool. I just thought I would point out that maybe you should take a minute and make sure the person's not in medical distress before you give 'em an ass whoppin'.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

What If I'm blowing a 3.0 behind the wheel? There is nothing wrong with that in your book?

If you are blowing a 3.0 then you aren't blowing at all, because you are dead. The highest BAC ever recorded in human history is like 1.3. Most people fall into a real coma around 0.5

 

[Natural Citizen]

If you are blowing a 3.0 then you aren't blowing at all, because you are dead. The highest BAC ever recorded in human history is like 1.3. Most people fall into a real coma around 0.5

Yeah, I had my numbers backwards. You get the idea though. Right? If someone is soaking wet drunk they have no business on the highway. That's my view on it.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, I had my numbers backwards. You get the idea though. Right? If someone is soaking wet drunk they have no business on the highway. That's my view on it.

I honestly do not think 'official numbers' are the answer though. Someone drinks 750ml of hooch a day then after a while they are going to be pretty sober even at a 0.3, while a teatotaller or a lightweight may be completely incapable of controlled movement around 0.04. It shouldn't be focused on 'this is the magic number,' but rather, 'this guy is crossing the centerline in traffic and hitting mailboxes.'

 

[Natural Citizen]

I honestly do not think 'official numbers' are the answer though. Someone drinks 750ml of hooch a day then after a while they are going to be pretty sober even at a 0.3, while a teatotaller or a lightweight may be completely incapable of controlled movement around 0.04. It shouldn't be focused on 'this is the magic number,' but rather, 'this guy is crossing the centerline in traffic and hitting mailboxes.'

Agreed. Of course, those trinkets that record the numbers aren't always accurate from what I understand. I don't know if that is true or not.

 

[phill4paul]

Agreed. Of course, those trinkets that record the numbers aren't always accurate from what I understand. I don't know if that is true or not.

They aren't accurate. Here is a link that can share some insight regarding them. Also browse the DUI section of the motorist association. They have some great write-ups debunking some myths and a fair approach, IMHO, as to how to deal with drunk driving.

http://www.motorists.org/dui/breathalyzers-fail-legitimacy-test

 

[euphemia]

I honestly do not think 'official numbers' are the answer though. Someone drinks 750ml of hooch a day then after a while they are going to be pretty sober even at a 0.3, while a teatotaller or a lightweight may be completely incapable of controlled movement around 0.04. It shouldn't be focused on 'this is the magic number,' but rather, 'this guy is crossing the centerline in traffic and hitting mailboxes.'

Or killing people? Pardon me if my bias is showing. A driver with a history of DUI, who spends the night drinking and then gets in the car and kills someone needs to go to jail. Forever. Cars don't kill people. Irresponsible people--especially the drunk ones--kill people.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Or killing people? Pardon me if my bias is showing. A driver with a history of DUI, who spends the night drinking and then gets in the car and kills someone needs to go to jail. Forever. Cars don't kill people. Irresponsible people--especially the drunk ones--kill people.

How exactly does focusing on impairment levels rather than BAC lead to drunk drivers getting away with killing people?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Or killing people? Pardon me if my bias is showing. A driver with a history of DUI, who spends the night drinking and then gets in the car and kills someone needs to go to jail. Forever. Cars don't kill people. Irresponsible people--especially the drunk ones--kill people.

Exactly.

They have caused harm, let the state prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that impairment was involved and apply appropriate punishment.

I fail to see how this has anything to do with middle of the night roadside blockades with phalanxes of cops hut hutting about and people getting their blood taken against their will.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I've known a lot of people who have been seriously hurt by drunk drivers is likely why I think the way I do when the subject comes up.

Brother, I've lost friends and family to both drunk driving and gun violence.

Yet, here I am.

I'll risk a crash before accepting living in world where I could be driving along, minding my own business, and get hung down in a Gestapo-esque roadblock with hut hutting cops waiting to tackle my ass and poke me with hypodermics.

Freedom can be dangerous.

 

[osan]

It should be non-criminal. As posited in the related thread, it is not a matter of how much alcohol, but how much impairment. Some people can slug down a pint of Wild Turkey and drive safely. On the other hand, my wife so much as enters a room that has a bottle of beer in the fridge and she passes out drunk within seconds. Yes, my wife in fact is the cheapest date on the planet.

Rather than wrecking people's lives over this, why not toss them in the drunk tank over night as used to be customary?

We are so focused and hell-bent upon hurting those who offend us that what is basically become a culture of bile and vengeance has gone completely off the rails.

Most folks, after having spent their first night in the vomit-laden, pee-soaked, and shit-stinking drunk tank are going to start getting some religion. To those who do not, I doubt they would have anyway. OTOH, if you injure of kill someone while behind the wheel, I am inclined to say that drunkenness should qualify as an aggravating factor.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yah, it'll get this one thrown in the sub dungeon.

Told ya'll so.