Shots fired, Bundy arrested

[Weston White]

Strongly worded letters (but not too strong, you want to stay respectful)
Sign waving (in the appropriately designated areas)
Petitions such as change.org (very important)

And obviously, voting super hard, is key.

I would add:

Aggressive 24/7 365/366 phone-banks (reach out and touch somebodies while the NSA covertly monitors you).
Strongly painted pictures (pictures are worth thousands of words).

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not gloating over anyone's death. I'm just happy this situation is finally starting coming to a close and this Johnny Reb crap is being exposed for the idiocy that it is and Bundys and others are hardly revolutionaries. Bottom line is you either believe in the process or you don't and if you don't then I would ask you take yourselves away from RPF and retreat to your compounds because you have no business being here.

I document, on a daily basis, how "the process" kills people and gets away with it.

The naiveté of your statement is stunning, not to mention your hubris, thinking you have the right to tell anybody to be anywhere.

Blow it out your ass.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Back to maintaining child pornography websites and what not.

Remember Joseph Salvati? The man the FBI knew was innocent but covered up evidence of his innocence for near thirty years? While the informant they knew had committed the murder murdered more people?

Real clean cut, straight arrowed folks, the FBI.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

"What do you want, tears?" - Harold Paul Rico, former FBI agent

 

[Natural Citizen]

Gone full circle now. Started in the courts then became an armed position now it is back in the court.

I can't wrap my head around the reality that the federal government remains both the plaintiff and prosecutor in this whole thing.

 

[Weston White]

Back to maintaining child pornography websites and what not.

Remember Joseph Salvati? The man the FBI knew was innocent but covered up evidence of his innocence for near thirty years? While the informant they knew had committed the murder murdered more people?

Real clean cut, straight arrowed folks, the FBI.

Also, there is the Little Lupe case, the prosecutor knew she was an adult and professional in the field, but still went on with the case. However, the defense won when the supposed "victim" walked into the courtroom to testify for the defense. This case should have, at the very minimum, gotten the prosecutor disbarred and seriously called into question these forensic "experts" that testify as to the exact age of a person by examining their developed body via digital image--who in this case testified that Lupe was something like eight-years old in the video.

(And if that was not bad enough, IIRC, the prosecutor even tried to prevent her testimony on the grounds that they did not get to depose her, however, her she placed on the witness list from the very start of the case by the defense, who had covertly arranged for her to appear on the very last day of trial, to which she gladly agreed.)

 

[goldenequity]

I can't wrap my head around the reality that the federal government remains both the plaintiff and prosecutor in this whole thing.

Good point. Think about it.

 

[Slave Mentality]

I can't wrap my head around the reality that the federal government remains both the plaintiff and prosecutor in this whole thing.

They also rule on the case. Banana Republic

 

[dannno]

I document, on a daily basis, how "the process" kills people and gets away with it.

The naiveté of your statement is stunning, not to mention your hubris, thinking you have the right to tell anybody to be anywhere.

Blow it out your ass.

It's pretty cute that he thinks a guy who wants to abolish over 90% of the government is going to attract people who believe in the "system", aka the most vast criminal enterprise in the world.

 

[nobody's_hero]

The matter of voting is entirely separate from representation. Voting is the ultimate result of being represented, which the latter entails the first right to be heard and to challenge the status quo--and laying the foundation for redress and due process.

Not to mention that voting in itself is not some fool-proof defense against tyranny, as Badger Paul seems to think. You could throw a dart at a list of 20th-Century dictators and land on someone who was elected to power with 99% of the vote.

 

[mrsat_98]

 

[goldenequity]

Cliven "That's the kind of people we're tired of dealin' with"

 

[goldenequity]

Sorry. Not funny.
Boston Tea Party wasn't about tea... and this wasn't about a bird sanctuary.
**disgust**

 

[vita3]

Who is the House of Representative for that County in Oregon?

 

[PursuePeace]

LaVoy Finicum's Stand For Freedom
22 hrs · Eagle Mountain, UT ·

****Finicum Family Response to LaVoy’s Murder****
***1/27/2016***
We thank all those reaching out to us in love during this difficult time. Your faithful prayers are felt. Please keep praying and keep using your voice to get the truth out. This fight against tyranny is not over. Press forward.

Forgiveness is what we can extend and understanding is what we want.
Christ was and is LaVoy’s exemplar. Though there are evil and conspiring men at work, Christ still forgave the executioners for they knew not what they did.
We give permission to all media to use this statement in their reports.

RIP LaVoy

 

[Weston White]

Who is the House of Representative for that County in Oregon?

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=OR

http://ziplook.house.gov/htbin/findrep?ZIP=97721

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/OR

 

[phill4paul]

Let this be a lesson to anyone going forward. Anything and everything you say will be used against you. I'd recommend a collection of all video devices including phones, do not allow vloggers unlimited access, no one is to speak to the press or do interviews except the spokespersons. Any violation should be considered immediate expulsion from site. This is not to say that the op should not be well documented so that it may be used against the Feds. It just needs to be secured offsite with a limited number, not engaged directly, having access. Any video from within the site needs to be vetted for propaganda purposes before release. Hotheads need to find the door.

Where was the FBI during the armed standoff in Oregon? Out of sight, but listening and watching

the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon dragged on for most of January, local law enforcement was spread thin and federal agents were nowhere to be seen.

Behind the quiet facade, however, the FBI was running surveillance on the occupation and recording the activists’ public statements, mostly drawn from media reports and the activists' use of social media, while FBI agents encouraged locals to report their experiences with the new strangers in town.

According to the allegations in an indictment and supporting affidavit, the FBI was collecting information that confirmed the occupiers were armed, angry and willing to die.

The court documents detail how a source told a Harney County sheriff’s officer that the protesters “had explosives, night vision goggles, and weapons and that if they didn't get the fight they wanted out there they would bring the fight to town.” The documents show that authorities grew concerned as the occupiers used increasingly heated rhetoric when discussing their plans and the occupation.

One activist, Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, 55, was shot and killed Tuesday in an altercation between some of the occupiers and authorities. Ryan Bundy suffered a gunshot wound to his arm.

On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Magistrate Judge Stacie F. Beckerman unsealed the government’s criminal complaint against two brothers, Ammon and Ryan Bundy, and Jon Ritzheimer, as well as five others arrested in connection with the occupation.

All stand accused of conspiring to use threats, intimidation or force to stop federal officers from doing their duty, a charge also used against tax protesters Edward and Elaine Brown, a New Hampshire couple who holed up in their home in 2007 and engaged in an armed standoff with federal agents for months. It eventually ended peacefully with their arrest.

A significant amount of the FBI’s information used to charge Ammon Bundy came from an activist named Pete Santilli, who was living inside the refuge and broadcasting live his conversations with fellow activists.

To demonstrate a conspiracy, the government has a lower burden than it would with similar charges, such as aiding and abetting, or solicitation. A conspiracy charge in federal court does not require the underlying offense to have taken place, so prosecutors can charge the defendants based on their statements, without proving they actually committed a crime.

That is where Santilli’s broadcasts proved so useful to the FBI.

“We’re continuing the stand at the Malheur National Wildlife Reserve,” Ammon Bundy told Santilli in a conversation on Jan. 2, the day the occupation began. “Let everybody know that.”

Criminal complaint against Oregon protesters
Later, Bundy was recorded telling Santilli, “Malheur, Malheur,” at which point, the FBI affidavit says, Santilli nods and then introduces Bundy, who gives a speech.

At one point in a video, Santilli’s cameraman is recording Bundy speaking to another activist when the cameraman seems to realize he shouldn’t be broadcasting it. The cameraman steps away and bumps into someone. “I was trying to get away from that conversation,” he explains.

The charges filed Wednesday detail activists' behavior in the media and the behavior reported to the FBI by federal employees who said they endured threats from the protesters in town before the occupation.

One employee with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, a prime target of the protesters, said Ritzheimer, an anti-Muslim activist who led an armed protest at a mosque last May, and another man accosted her in a grocery store for wearing a BLM shirt.

“When she turned around, the second individual shouted ‘you're BLM, you're BLM,’ at her,” FBI Special Agent Katherine Armstrong wrote in the affidavit.

“That person further stated to [the BLM employee] that they know what car she drives and would follow her home. He also stated he was going to burn [her] house down.”

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Then activists began targeting her, she said. A vehicle matching one she saw Ritzheimer and the other man driving began to appear parked in front of her home and in front of her workplace, she said.

A week later, a white truck with a Confederate flag sticker in the rear window tailgated her and flashed its lights, the affidavit says.

The documents are also sprinkled with repeated references to the occupiers’ principle concerns—upholding the Constitution, protecting the rights of individuals and crushing socialism. It also quotes various protesters using social media to urge “good patriots” to join the occupation.

One activist, Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, 55, was shot and killed Tuesday in an altercation between some of the occupiers and authorities. Ryan Bundy suffered a gunshot wound to his arm.

On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Magistrate Judge Stacie F. Beckerman unsealed the government’s criminal complaint against two brothers, Ammon and Ryan Bundy, and Jon Ritzheimer, as well as five others arrested in connection with the occupation.

All stand accused of conspiring to use threats, intimidation or force to stop federal officers from doing their duty, a charge also used against tax protesters Edward and Elaine Brown, a New Hampshire couple who holed up in their home in 2007 and engaged in an armed standoff with federal agents for months. It eventually ended peacefully with their arrest.

A significant amount of the FBI’s information used to charge Ammon Bundy came from an activist named Pete Santilli, who was living inside the refuge and broadcasting live his conversations with fellow activists.

To demonstrate a conspiracy, the government has a lower burden than it would with similar charges, such as aiding and abetting, or solicitation. A conspiracy charge in federal court does not require the underlying offense to have taken place, so prosecutors can charge the defendants based on their statements, without proving they actually committed a crime.

That is where Santilli’s broadcasts proved so useful to the FBI.

“We’re continuing the stand at the Malheur National Wildlife Reserve,” Ammon Bundy told Santilli in a conversation on Jan. 2, the day the occupation began. “Let everybody know that.”

Later, Bundy was recorded telling Santilli, “Malheur, Malheur,” at which point, the FBI affidavit says, Santilli nods and then introduces Bundy, who gives a speech.

At one point in a video, Santilli’s cameraman is recording Bundy speaking to another activist when the cameraman seems to realize he shouldn’t be broadcasting it. The cameraman steps away and bumps into someone. “I was trying to get away from that conversation,” he explains.

The charges filed Wednesday detail activists' behavior in the media and the behavior reported to the FBI by federal employees who said they endured threats from the protesters in town before the occupation.

One employee with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, a prime target of the protesters, said Ritzheimer, an anti-Muslim activist who led an armed protest at a mosque last May, and another man accosted her in a grocery store for wearing a BLM shirt.

“When she turned around, the second individual shouted ‘you're BLM, you're BLM,’ at her,” FBI Special Agent Katherine Armstrong wrote in the affidavit.

“That person further stated to [the BLM employee] that they know what car she drives and would follow her home. He also stated he was going to burn [her] house down.”

See more of our top stories on Facebook >>

Then activists began targeting her, she said. A vehicle matching one she saw Ritzheimer and the other man driving began to appear parked in front of her home and in front of her workplace, she said.

A week later, a white truck with a Confederate flag sticker in the rear window tailgated her and flashed its lights, the affidavit says.

The documents are also sprinkled with repeated references to the occupiers’ principle concerns—upholding the Constitution, protecting the rights of individuals and crushing socialism. It also quotes various protesters using social media to urge “good patriots” to join the occupation.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-oregon-refuge-fbi-20160127-story.html

Here is the criminal complaint and the interviews, youtube videos, blogs, etc. they used to build the case for conspiracy.

http://community.statesmanjournal.com/data/bundy_case.pdf

 

[phill4paul]

Three more members of the milita group occupying a federal wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon were arrested Wednesday at one of the checkpoints the FBI had established around the area.

One of those arrested was 43-year-old Jason Patrick, who had taken over leadership of the group from Ammon Bundy. Bundy was arrested Tuesday after a confrontation on a remote highway that resulted in the death of militant Robert Finicum.

The FBI and Oregon State Police said that 45-year-old Duane Leo Ehmer of Irrigon, Oregon, and 34-year-old Dylan Wade Anderson of Provo, Utah, turned themselves in hours before Patrick's arrest. FBI officials said Wednesday night that in addition to the three arrests, five others left the refuge through the checkpoints and were released without arrest.

All three arrested men face a single felony charge of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats, as does Bundy and the seven others who were arrested Tuesday.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/2...ccupying-oregon-wildlife-refuge-arrested.html

 

[The Gold Standard]

I document, on a daily basis, how "the process" kills people and gets away with it.

The naiveté of your statement is stunning, not to mention your hubris, thinking you have the right to tell anybody to be anywhere.

Blow it out your ass.

Can't rep you, but I'm sure someone will cover me.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

To demonstrate a conspiracy, the government has a lower burden than it would with similar charges, such as aiding and abetting, or solicitation. A conspiracy charge in federal court does not require the underlying offense to have taken place, so prosecutors can charge the defendants based on their statements, without proving they actually committed a crime

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