Shots fired, Bundy arrested

[nobody's_hero]

Oh give me a break.

The most we're going to get out of the political process is a chance to educate people. GunnyFreedom is right. The leviathan won't let go of power without a fight. Never has, never will. If what you are saying is true, then the patriots in 1775 got a lot of people killed unnecessarily because all they really had to do was vote harder or something and the king would've been like, 'whoops, my bad!'. That sir, is as much of a fantasy (if not more so) as what you refer to as the Johnny Reb mentality.

The question is not whether or not there will be a fight, but when and where it would be wisest to have that fight. I don't think Oregon was the time nor the place. Nevada was. Unfortunately Oregon sort of wiped out any progress made in Nevada and now militias are seen by boobus as the bad guys again.

And for what it's worth, the FBI is interested in everything said here, even the legal stuff. I'm sure I'm on a list somewhere just for being a delegate for Ron Paul, and that was using the process. Martin Luther King, Jr. used "the process" and the FBI has more files on him than Osama bin Laden. Maybe it's you who is delusional.

and if everyone who didn't believe in the process had to leave RPF then [Badger Paul] would be awfully lonely here. It's highly probable that most of us don't believe in it even as we work to get Rand Paul elected. This is more like something we can point to when SHTF and say that we honestly tried every alternative.

'Don't blame me, I voted for Rand Paul.'

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[Badger Paul]

"then the patriots in 1775 got a lot of people killed unnecessarily because all they really had to do was vote harder "

The patriots could not vote for people who made policy in Great Britain (i.e. Parliament) that affected them. That is what no taxation without representation means.

 

[JK/SEA]

"then the patriots in 1775 got a lot of people killed unnecessarily because all they really had to do was vote harder "

The patriots could not vote for people who made policy in Great Britain (i.e. Parliament) that affected them. That is what no taxation without representation means.

correct. They wrote strongly worded letters of discontent instead, only to be re-buffed with a police state, and the rest is...history.

 

[Deborah K]

Two different accounts. One a second hand source citing Ryan Payne, who was in the vehicle, said LaVoy Finicum charged the Feds. The second a first hand account from an 18 yr. old female in the car saying he was gunned down with hands raised. Both accounts are several pages back because of the detritus clogging the thread up.

The girl practically swoons over Payne in her testimony. (He's at least got her convinced that he's legit.) And Payne is supposedly stating that Finicum charged the Feds?? Hmmmm....

 

[phill4paul]

The girl practically swoons over Payne in herThere is no confirmation that Payne actually said anything. testimony. (He's at least got her convinced that he's legit.) And Payne is supposedly stating that Finicum charged the Feds?? Hmmmm....

No. The driver of Ammon's vehicle, a guy named McConell, who was stopped and released said that he talked to Payne. So what is being bandied about as what Payne said is unconfirmed.

 

[Deborah K]

No. The driver of Ammon's vehicle, a guy named McConell, who was stopped and released said that he talked to Payne. So what is being bandied about as what Payne said is unconfirmed.

Would love to hear from Payne. Would love to see the vehicle. Any chance we'll get either?

 

[phill4paul]

Would love to hear from Payne. Would love to see the vehicle. Any chance we'll get either?

I'm gonna buy a lotto ticket and see what comes out ahead.

 

[Deborah K]

Next, we'll be hearing how shots were fired from the vehicle, which is why the Feds shot it up. But will we ever see forensics results on whether their weapons were ever fired? Probably not...Will we get to see the vehicle?

 

[pcosmar]

Would love to hear from Payne. Would love to see the vehicle. Any chance we'll get either?

Doubts,, They will keep Payne away from any media.. as well as evidence of the ambush.

 

[Indy Vidual]

 

[phill4paul]

Next, we'll be hearing how shots were fired from the vehicle, which is why the Feds shot it up. But will we ever see forensics results on whether their weapons were ever fired? Probably not...Will we get to see the vehicle?

Doesn't matter. The Feds can fire for any reason under SCOTUS guidelines. Circular force continuum is no longer in the play book. It's simply comply or die.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Eye Witness to the shooting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSwAeVI1abc

I appreciate it, but I can't understand a word she's saying. I need subtitles. I tried the YouTube CC option but that's even more nonsensical than the audio.

 

[Deborah K]

Here's KrisAnn talking about it:

http://krisannehall.com/oregon-truth/

 

[Occam's Banana]

I regret that I have but one rep to give for this post.

Have you been in a coma for the last 15 years? "The process" has been hopelessly corrupted to the point where there is no justice left in the "justice" system. You can be sure that the corrupt monsters with their claws into the system down to the bone will not be routed peacefully. They are thugs and monsters, and force is the only language they speak.

Eventually, to route out the corruption, it will come down to force. Even if we won every election, and every Sheriff's office, and every DA in the country, these people will not leave peacefully. Once they have tasted power they will not let go without a fight. This is simply the nature of the beast.

 

[nobody's_hero]

"then the patriots in 1775 got a lot of people killed unnecessarily because all they really had to do was vote harder "

The patriots could not vote for people who made policy in Great Britain (i.e. Parliament) that affected them. That is what no taxation without representation means.

Here is an example of how your vote does not matter:



It's all predetermined bud. I'm sorry to have to be the one to break it to you, since it probably comes as a shock and all.

Oh and this was in the related videos: Here's the entire 2012 delegation from Maine holding a rump convention after they were KICKED OUT BY YOUR BELOVED "PROCESS"





I could post these videos all day (the evidence is as plentiful as it is damning) but I'm not gonna waste my time on someone who has been here for 8 damned years and has amnesia about how many times we've been shat on by the process.

 

[FrancisMarion]

18 U.S.C.
United States Code, 2011 Edition
Title 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 19 - CONSPIRACY
Sec. 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
From the U.S. Government Printing Office, www.gpo.gov

§372. Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title IV, §4002(d)(1)(D), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809.)

Historical and Revision Notes

Based on title 18, U.S.C., 1940 ed., §54 (Mar. 4, 1909, ch. 321, §21, 35 Stat. 1092).
Scope of section was enlarged to cover all possessions of the United States. When the section was first enacted in 1861 there were no possessions, and hence the use of the words “State or Territory” was sufficient to describe the area then subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. The word “District” was inserted by the codifiers of the 1909 Criminal Code.

Amendments
2002—Pub. L. 107–273 substituted “under this title” for “not more than $5,000”.

Blood boils.

 

[Bryan]

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Hope this clears things up.

 

[JK/SEA]

The girl practically swoons over Payne in her testimony. (He's at least got her convinced that he's legit.) And Payne is supposedly stating that Finicum charged the Feds?? Hmmmm....

'furtive move' or 'charged'...same thing to a coward.

 

[goldenequity]

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[JK/SEA]

III% on FB are having 'call to arms'...guns up. At least thats what he said.