Secession thread.

I can't believe we don't have one of Obama's 57 :) states that is willing to secede.. I was hoping it would be Montana or New Hampshire, but I'll take anything. How about a small state like Vermont?
 
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The Machine said:
Obviously you never read the book I referenced nor do you seem to know about Claire Wolfe's other writings.

Basically it depends on how much you are willing to restructure your lifestyle. Self-sufficiency, bartering, self-employment, etc...these are the tools of a lifestyle of freedom and liberty in our system at this time--and can be done in a lot of places other than New Hampshire, Colorado, Montana, or the ocean.

I'm not against the ideas mentioned in this thread; just offering another alternative for folks that might not have the interest or means to physically relocate to another state or area.
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I'm sorry, you are right - I am just a little angry right now, as you may have noticed. The question wasn't entirely factitious, though, and I don't have time to read her books now. Does she advocate refusing to pay taxes, and a refusal to use government services?
 
I'll be 18 in about 3 years, will I be able to move to NH?

I am pissed off, fuck the United States. I need a new flag.
 
tremendoustie said:
I'm sorry, you are right - I am just a little angry right now, as you may have noticed. The question wasn't entirely factitious, though, and I don't have time to read her books now. Does she advocate refusing to pay taxes, and a refusal to use government services?
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No problem...I think a lot of folks are on "edge" right now due to this historical BS. Yes to your questions. She believes that we should ignore and turn away from the government that has enslaved us. I think the book is out of print now--maybe a copy can be found at Amazon or the internet--but I consider it essential reading for liberty minded people.

I live in a remote part of Appalachia and I personally know people who have lived "under the radar" for years...the government doesn't even know they exist. There are a lot of remote areas in the country where this can be done. The problem is, most people don't or won't have the stomach for it. It requires a major paradigm shift from the way most folks live, but it can--and is--being done by more people than you would think.

Good luck on your journey wherever it takes you!
 
Dianne said:
I can't believe we don't have one of Obama's 57 :) states that is willing to secede.. I was hoping it would be Montana or New Hampshire, but I'll take anything. How about a small state like Vermont?
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If Vermont secedes it will to be even more socialist. I think NH is more libertarian than you might believe. There are a lot of people who fall for the "lesser of two evils" crap, but go for liberty when given the option. Western sparsely populated states are options, but as far as eastern states, I don't think you'll do better than NH.
 
http://www.freestatewyoming.org/

I like the idea of the Free State Project but, as was pointed out by people in NH during the primaries, far too many people from The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts have moved there to escape the problems, but then they continue to vote the same way. The population of NH is just too many. We need a state with the lowest population. That way we have a bigger impact.

Read the book "Molon Labe".
 
Secession in the middle of this crazy continent isn't what I'd see as success. Tom Palin had the right idea in Alaska. It would stand a decent chance of being its own nation, as Hawaii would. We at least need coastline for imports and defense.
 
Here are some ideas in no particular order:

1) Alaska: Sparsly populated, lots of natural resources, secessionist support already present. Big con is that the feds wouldn't let this state go without a fight. Too much $$.

2) Oregon/Northern California

3) Montana or Wyoming: Big problem is that they are landlocked and don't have very good agriculture.

4) North Dakota and/or South Dakota: Eastern part of the states have agriculture. THey are landlocked though. Big plus is you might have strong ally with the Indian tribes.

5) Texas: Good location but the large population would make this very difficult, if not impossible.

6) Mississippi: This state always seems to have the most rebel tendencies.

7) Vermont: Has a strong secession movement already...problem is they are a socialist secession movement.

8) New Hampshire: Get rid of the transplanted Beantowners and it would be more realistic.

9) Canadian territories: Northern Canada has little/no population. If you could get people there quickly, you could take it over before the government knows what's going on. Problem is you'd have to find ways to smuggle guns in the country.
 
Scribbler de Stebbing said:
Secession in the middle of this crazy continent isn't what I'd see as success. Tom Palin had the right idea in Alaska. It would stand a decent chance of being its own nation, as Hawaii would. We at least need coastline for imports and defense.
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Personally, I'd include mountains as important as access to an ocean.
 
SovereignMN said:
3) Montana or Wyoming: Big problem is that they are landlocked and don't have very good agriculture.
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Although I'll have to research the subject more, Montana seems to have a good variety of agricultural products necessary to sustain human life.
 
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