Secession thread.

Personally, I'd suggest those of you west of the Mississippi river all move to Montana. Those of you east of the Mississippi river move to New Hampshire within the next TWO years. With the price of gas at current lows, I'd plan on moving within the next month! :)
 
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Some one has already mentioned it, but the ONLY way to turn this ship around is through education and educating the masses means gaining access to their minds. At the Obama rallies, did you notice the reactions of the crowd? These people are massively brainwashed. Other than reaching the minds of the indoctrinated, secession is the only viable answer. Personally, we should be continue working toward both ends, but put more emphasis on secession. We need to bring both options to birth. If one state managed to secede, would it be easier to use it as a platform for gaining access to the brainwashed masses in other states? I think so. If Montana seceded, think of Montana as an independent state with enough resources for reaching out and touching her neighbors. ;)
 
tpreitzel said:
Some one has already mentioned it, but the ONLY way to turn this ship around is through education and educating the masses means gaining access to their minds. At the Obama rallies, did you notice the reactions of the crowd? These people are massively brainwashed. Other than reaching the minds of the indoctrinated, secession is the only viable answer. Personally, we should be continue working toward both ends, but put more emphasis on secession. We need to bring both options to birth. If one state managed to secede, would it be easier to use it as a platform for gaining access to the brainwashed masses in other states? I think so. If Montana seceded, think of Montana as an independent state with enough resources for reaching out and touching her neighbors. ;)
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Secession would educate others.

If others saw successful seceding states then others would soon follow suit. Or change their policies.

After US seceded from Britian in 1776 this happened.
 
Could we, the people, also start an offshore, independent broadcast network similar to the VoA which would lie outside the jurisdiction of the FCC?
 
tpreitzel said:
Those of you east of the Mississippi river move to New Hampshire within the next TWO years. With the price of gas at current lows, I'd plan on moving within the next month! :)
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What's up with all the New Hampshire talk? The "Live Free or Die" state went big time for a socialist president...last place I would want to be, especially if actions speak louder than words. Another thing, you better bring a boat load of money, because it isn't a cheap place to live.

I think secession should be more of a state of mind, rather than a geographic location. Read "I'm Not A Number" by Clair Wolfe to understand what I'm talking about.
 
mediahasyou said:
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Holy crap, that's ambitious. By the way, I don't advocate any form of violence, but if you want to stand up and defend yourself, this is the only even remotely moral way to do it, IMO. Move somewhere remote (with a bunch of other people preferably), buy the land, make sure you're self sufficient, and declare independence (defending yourself from incursions if necessary).

Anyone advocating aggressive violence against anyone is way over the line, IMO.
 
hypnagogue said:
I don't see how a buoy in the ocean could be sustainable, let alone prosperous. Sure, a (classical) liberally run buoy would make the most of the resources it has, but that would still be a mean existence.
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Make it big, import lots of dirt and plants, and float it somewhere rainy!! It's have to be many square miles before I'd think of moving there of course ...
 
The Machine said:
What's up with all the New Hampshire talk? The "Live Free or Die" state went big time for a socialist president...last place I would want to be, especially if actions speak louder than words. Another thing, you better bring a boat load of money, because it isn't a cheap place to live.

I think secession should be more of a state of mind, rather than a geographic location. Read "I'm Not A Number" by Clair Wolfe to understand what I'm talking about.
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If I mentally secede, do I still have to pay taxes to support corporate fat cats and aggressive war, or keep using FRNs? Or am I supposed to mentally secede in the cage they put me in when I don't pay them?
 
mediahasyou said:
Secession would educate others.

If others saw successful seceding states then others would soon follow suit. Or change their policies.

After US seceded from Britian in 1776 this happened.
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Maybe. Today, the world is much more tightly integrated by technology. Secession doesn't automatically mean better lives. Secession does mean that the bonds of the federal government will be broken that would enable a people to more easily return to principles of limited government. No more FCC, FDA, etc. * so the people in the independent state could use their newly found freedom to reach out to her neighbors which will likely cause the establishment in D.C. to brand the independent state a terrorist state. Oh, well. It's time to put up.

* Pressure would surely exist within the newly created state to establishment similar functions, though.
 
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tpreitzel said:
Maybe. Today, the world is much more tightly integrated by technology. Secession doesn't automatically mean better lives. Secession does mean that the bonds of the federal government will be broken that would enable a people to more easily return to principles of limited government. No more FCC, FDA, etc. so the people in the independent state could use their newly found freedom to reach out to her neighbors which will likely cause the establishment in D.C. to brand the independent state a terrorist state. Oh, well. It's time to put up.
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The definition of the better life I want is a free life. I'd rather have liberty and no $5 lattes or gym memberships. Hell, I'd rather have liberty and scratch out a living on a farm for just enough to eat.
 
tremendoustie said:
If I mentally secede, do I still have to pay taxes to support corporate fat cats and aggressive war, or keep using FRNs? Or am I supposed to mentally secede in the cage they put me in when I don't pay them?
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Obviously you never read the book I referenced nor do you seem to know about Claire Wolfe's other writings.

Basically it depends on how much you are willing to restructure your lifestyle. Self-sufficiency, bartering, self-employment, etc...these are the tools of a lifestyle of freedom and liberty in our system at this time--and can be done in a lot of places other than New Hampshire, Colorado, Montana, or the ocean.

I'm not against the ideas mentioned in this thread; just offering another alternative for folks that might not have the interest or means to physically relocate to another state or area.
 
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