Scott Adams and Rasmussen's "It's okay to be white" poll

[Occam's Banana]

I hope the mods don't merge the threads or if they do they change the false title of the other thread because that title perpetuates Scott Adams lie. That's why I created a new thread.

Merging. There's no reason for there to be two separate threads on what is essentially the same topic.

The title of AF's thread ("Dilbert Creator Scott Adams Warns White People ‘Get the Hell Away’ from Blacks") isn't really false, though. It accurately characterizes what Adams actually said. However, the title of the article AF took his thread title from goes on to say "... As Poll Shows They’re Not ‘Okay’ with Being White" - and If I understand correctly, that is the part jmdrake takes issue with. But I'll change the title, anyway.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's not so much a matter of there being more of it as it is a matter of it being more noticeable (due to the Internet in general, and social media in particular).

I am desperately trying to put my finger on that.

We went through all this same shit in the 60s.

Is there more now, or is it just because the internet has given everybody a bullhorn, that we notice it more.

At first i thought that was the case, but I'm beginning to think not, after lengthy discussions and interviews of people that I know that lived through it.

I lived through it, but I was just a child.

There's something severely broken this time around...not sure if it's the dumbed down populace, the millions of foreign invaders, the complete abandonment of church and faith...not sure...something I'm not looking for?

But ask anybody that lived through the 60s, and they'll tell you that even with war and riots and assassinations, things were not as fractured and ugly as they are today.

 

[jmdrake]

You'll note I dropped that portion of it when I created the thread.

Adams position, as I understand it, is this:



FWIW, in 2021, blacks committed more "hate crimes" than their percentage of the overall population, and whites committed less than their overall percentage of the population.

As to the original title of the article, that came from Infowars.

Seems to me your issue is with Infowars and not Adams.

LOL @ Infowars. I remember when Alex Jones was somewhat credible.

And my biggest issue is with Rassmussen really for putting together a crappy and dishonest poll. Think about it. The very same Rassmusen video that raised concern about blacks supposedly not being okay with someone "being white", gleefully pointed out that blacks rejected the "woke" idea that blacks couldn't be racist. So you've got a HUGE overlap of black people who agree that blacks can be racist and who also either disagree or are not sure if they agree. So....do all of these black people think they are racist themselves? I bet the answer is no.

Here's a question for YOU. Do you think that every white person who isn't sure if he or she agrees with the statement "Black lives matter" actually wants black people to die? If the answer to that question is yes then there are a lot of hateful white people out there. If the answer to that question is no....then Scott Adams (and Alex Jones) are full of shyt.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Merging. There's no reason for there to be two separate threads on what is essentially the same topic.

The title of AF's thread ("Dilbert Creator Scott Adams Warns White People ‘Get the Hell Away’ from Blacks") isn't really false, though. It accurately characterizes what Adams actually said. However, the title of the article AF took his thread title from goes on to say "... As Poll Shows They’re Not ‘Okay’ with Being White" - and If I understand correctly, that is the part jmdrake takes issue with. But I'll change the title, anyway.

Damn it OB, I deliberately edited my thread title to drop that part out, because I knew it was Infowars hyperbole.

Grrr....

 

[acptulsa]

I'd suggest, with all due respect, that he might be better served getting his own people in check, instead of yelling at us, for the most mild of "pushback".

Is that what he's doing? I appreciate his perspective. We're all just trying to see through this psyop, so as to be better prepared for the effect it has on people. He's helping me see the other edge of this two-edged sword the powers that be are swinging so recklessly.

There's something severely broken this time around...not sure if it's the dumbed down populace, the millions of foreign invaders, the complete abandonment of church and faith...not sure...something I'm not looking for?

But ask anybody that lived through the 60s, and they'll tell you that even with war and riots and assassinations, things were not as fractured and ugly as they are today.

They aren't playing around. They're going for broke with all of this. They've tipped their hand just enough that they have to play it. They need the races at each other's throats, because if we ever grow brains enough as a species to point a Day of Reckoning where it's really needed, they won't be in power any more.

 

[dannno]

Here's a question for YOU. Do you think that every white person who isn't sure if he or she agrees with the statement "Black lives matter" actually wants black people to die? If the answer to that question is yes then there are a lot of hateful white people out there. If the answer to that question is no....then Scott Adams (and Alex Jones) are full of shyt.

Pretty much every conservative, if not all of them, are willing to say that they agree with the statement that "black lives matter". They just don't support the organization or the movement. I also don't think Scott ever said that just because some black people don't agree that it's ok to be white, that they want them to die. Just that they harbor resentment or indifference.

I think one thing you are not getting here is that Scott's point, which Tucker Carlson has also made, is that it isn't the black community or any minority group that is causing this problem of directing hate toward white people. It is primarily being caused by white liberals, that is where the fault is.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I am desperately trying to put my finger on that.

We went through all this same shit in the 60s.

Is there more now, or is it just because the internet has given everybody a bullhorn, that we notice it more.

At first i thought that was the case, but I'm beginning to think not, after lengthy discussions and interviews of people that I know that lived through it.

I lived through it, but I was just a child.

There's something severely broken this time around...not sure if it's the dumbed down populace, the millions of foreign invaders, the complete abandonment of church and faith...not sure...something I'm not looking for?

But ask anybody that lived through the 60s, and they'll tell you that even with war and riots and assassinations, things were not as fractured and ugly as they are today.

I won't argue against the proposition that things are (or may be) much more fractious at present than they have been since [insert decade]. Bur fractiousness, on the one hand, and the exploitation of (real or "manufactured") "outrage", on the other hand, are entirely distinct and separate things. Even a largely unified populace with no significant internecine "fractures" can nevertheless be animated, manipulated, and exploited by outrage-mongers.

In fact, outrage-mongering is a great way to achieve that kind of political unification to begin with - see, for example, World War One and the outrage manufactured against "the Hun" in order to unify America in "glorious common purpose" (unless you're Eugene Debs or the like ...). And then add to this mix the fact that there are some things about which people really ought to be outraged, and, well ... it's all kind of an outrageous mess, even during better times than these.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Damn it OB, I deliberately edited my thread title to drop that part out, because I knew it was Infowars hyperbole.

Grrr....

File under "damned if you do, damned if you don't" ...

But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well, you see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself
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[Anti Federalist]

Here's a question for YOU. Do you think that every white person who isn't sure if he or she agrees with the statement "Black lives matter" actually wants black people to die? If the answer to that question is yes then there are a lot of hateful white people out there. If the answer to that question is no....then Scott Adams (and Alex Jones) are full of shyt.

Of those who answer "not sure", I would say no.

I tried to find some polling on this, but I came across this instead. Bear in mind, this was only a week after the Buffalo shooting.

Poll: 75% of Black Americans Fear Being Physically Attacked Because of Race

In face of what the crime facts are, that's a stunning poll number.

The poll also found this:

The survey also found that 27 percent of Black Americans think "half" of white people hold white supremacist beliefs, while 35 percent think "most" white people hold those beliefs. Eight percent of respondents, however, said "very few" of white Americans hold white supremacy beliefs.

Meanwhile, 75 percent of Black Americans said white supremacists are a "major threat," and 66 percent said white supremacy is a larger issue now compared to five years ago, according to the poll.

So in this poll over half of blacks polled said half or more of whites "hold white supremacist beliefs".

 

[Anti Federalist]

File under "damned if you do, damned if you don't" ...

But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well, you see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself
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I was a little pissed but I'm really just busting balls.

 

[jmdrake]

I wonder...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1629580902547292161

I've "known" [MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION] for 15 years now, and have never had anything but engaging and pleasant discussions, he's a brother and a friend of liberty.

I'd suggest, with all due respect, that he might be better served getting his own people in check, instead of yelling at us, for the most mild of "pushback".

With all due respect, I have more to fear from jackasses like the Buffalo Shooter then you have from the cow who's picture you posted. I'm pretty sure she's never touched a gun in her life. And the thugs going around shooting up people black or white typically aren't motivated by some critical race theory manifesto despite all you power fantasies to the contrary. They're more likely to come at you because they think you have nice wheels than as part of some fanciful Marxist revolution. I've personally known thugs. This is what motivates them.



Hell. I knew one that car jacked someone in the middle of the pandemic just to pay his cell phone bill and help his girl pay her rent. And his dumb ass didn't even where a mask....while there was a mask mandate....

 

[jmdrake]

Pretty much every conservative, if not all of them, are willing to say that they agree with the statement that "black lives matter".

A) You're being too generous.

B) You're assuming a poll structure that is different from the one presented.

If the only choices you were given in a poll was "Do you support the statement black lives matter" and your choices were "yes, no, not sure" I bet YOU would not give an unequivocal yes. Hell, I know I would not give an unequivocal yes. Doing that would be stupid. "Hey. 99% of Americans support black lives matter!" That's how that would be spun and you know it. Quit playing dumb.

 

[dannno]

A) You're being too generous.

B) You're assuming a poll structure that is different from the one presented.

If the only choices you were given in a poll was "Do you support the statement black lives matter" and your choices were "yes, no, not sure" I bet YOU would not give an unequivocal yes. Hell, I know I would not give an unequivocal yes. Doing that would be stupid. "Hey. 99% of Americans support black lives matter!" That's how that would be spun and you know it. Quit playing dumb.

I would say 100% yes, I support the statement that black lives matter. I've never heard any conservative say anything different. I don't support the movement or the organization.

 

[acptulsa]

In face of what the crime facts are, that's a stunning poll number.

I've seen a lot of stunning poll numbers over the last few years. Whites are supposed to be naturally brilliant at science, according to this psyop, but huge numbers couldn't see all the discrepancies between the facts and the narrative around covid and the jab, and the glaring difference between that narrative and scientific methodology.

When you're in herdthink, "reality" seems to have little truck with facts.

 

[jmdrake]

Merging. There's no reason for there to be two separate threads on what is essentially the same topic.

The title of AF's thread ("Dilbert Creator Scott Adams Warns White People ‘Get the Hell Away’ from Blacks") isn't really false, though. It accurately characterizes what Adams actually said. However, the title of the article AF took his thread title from goes on to say "... As Poll Shows They’re Not ‘Okay’ with Being White" - and If I understand correctly, that is the part jmdrake takes issue with. But I'll change the title, anyway.

Fair enough.

Damn it OB, I deliberately edited my thread title to drop that part out, because I knew it was Infowars hyperbole.

Grrr....

It's the hyperbole that's the problem! And you and others have been feeding off the hyperbole. Such hyperbole on both sides is dangerous. And for the record I have called out both sides. I will refrain from giving you the middle finger over your snark about "getting my own people in check" but that was BS on your part. Here is the bottom line. You can't tell jack shyt from this stupid Rassmusen poll. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

This is what is crap AF. You want to post about Candace Owens saying black people should back away from BLM? Most black people don't give a crap about BLM but BLM support has been plummeting among African American!

https://www.newsweek.com/support-black-lives-matter-plummets-among-african-americans-poll-1708122

Support for the Black Lives Matter movement is plummeting, including among African Americans, according to a new poll.

As the country prepares to mark the second anniversary of the killing of George Floyd, which sparked a nationwide reckoning on race and policing, the University of Massachusetts Amherst survey found that support for the movement has fallen since last April.

The poll of 1,000 people, conducted by YouGov between May 5 and 9, found support for the movement's goals had decreased from 48 percent to 31 percent.

Meanwhile, support for the movement's strategies and tactics dropped from 40 percent to 31 percent.

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Some of the steepest declines in support for the movement were found among African American respondents. Their support for the movement's goals dropped from 67 percent to 56 percent since last April, while support for the movement's strategies and tactics want from 65 percent to 49 percent.

'Growing Tired' of the Movement
"While Black Lives Matter signs still adorn lawns from coast to coast, Americans may be growing tired of the Black Lives Matter movement as support for the strategies, tactics and goals of the movement have experienced a precipitous decline in the past year across demographic and political groups," said Tatishe Nteta, an associate professor of political science at UMass Amherst and the director of the poll.

The poll also found that support for police reform has declined since April last year. Support for reducing funding for state and local police departments to divert money to social services dropped seven points, from 38 percent to 31 percent, while support for banning the use of military grade equipment and weaponry by state and local police fell from 48 percent to 42 percent.

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The poll also saw a decline in support for: allowing citizens to sue individual police officers accused of the excessive use of force or misconduct (from 59 percent to 54 percent); for restricting the ability of police officers from deactivating their body cameras (71 percent to 64 percent); and for banning chokeholds by police officers (from 62 percent to 58 percent.)
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So maybe rather worrying about the black community you could try educating yourself about what's really going on in the black community?

 

[jmdrake]

I would say 100% yes, I support the statement that black lives matter. I've never heard any conservative say anything different. I don't support the movement or the organization.

It doesn't matter. That's how the poll would be spun if you answered it that way.

 

[jmdrake]

Avoiding the word hate, as it is itself an overloaded term -

What % do you think, of black people, harbor resentment towards white people?

Probably the same % of white people that harbor resentment towards black people even if they don't admit it. Now, what percentage of white people or black people are ready to pick up a gun and start shooting people of the other race like the Buffalo Shooter (white on black violence) or start randomly stabbing white people after shouting "black lives matter" (black on white violence)? I'm betting very few....because there's no race war going on at the moment. But let people start interpreting every instance of interracial violence as prelude to a race war even before the facts come in (as recently happened here) and America becomes a powder keg ready to go off.

 

[dannno]

A) You're being too generous.

B) You're assuming a poll structure that is different from the one presented.

If the only choices you were given in a poll was "Do you support the statement black lives matter" and your choices were "yes, no, not sure" I bet YOU would not give an unequivocal yes. Hell, I know I would not give an unequivocal yes. Doing that would be stupid. "Hey. 99% of Americans support black lives matter!" That's how that would be spun and you know it. Quit playing dumb.

Scott Adams had a Black Lives Matter twitter avatar for a few weeks back around 6 months or so ago, it was around the time Ye had the White Lives Matter shirt at the fashion show.

After Ye went off the deepend with the Hitler stuff, Scott disavowed what he was saying, said he was on his own.

 

[TheTexan]

Probably the same % of white people that harbor resentment towards black people even if they don't admit it.

I don't think so. I'm the most racist person I've ever met and I don't harbor any resentment towards black people. I have various prejudices and biases of course, but never have I said, or hear anybody say, "damn those black people, tryin' to keep me oppressed!"

Instances of black people saying that about white people, can be found across the internet, in congress, on mainstream TV, and I'm guessing - (I've never been) - black neighborhoods across America.

Now, what percentage of white people or black people are ready to pick up a gun and start shooting people of the other race like the Buffalo Shooter (white on black violence) or start randomly stabbing white people after shouting "black lives matter" (black on white violence)?

By any measure, black on white violence far surpasses white on black violence. What percentage of that is racially motivated can be disputed, but to say "there is violence on both sides" isn't a meaningful representation of the facts.

I'm betting very few....because there's no race war going on at the moment. But let people start interpreting every instance of interracial violence as prelude to a race war even before the facts come in (as recently happened here) and America becomes a powder keg ready to go off.

The race war is already happening. The 2020 coup was part of it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

With all due respect, I have more to fear from jackasses like the Buffalo Shooter then you have from the cow who's picture you posted. I'm pretty sure she's never touched a gun in her life. And the thugs going around shooting up people black or white typically aren't motivated by some critical race theory manifesto despite all you power fantasies to the contrary. They're more likely to come at you because they think you have nice wheels than as part of some fanciful Marxist revolution. I've personally known thugs. This is what motivates them.



Hell. I knew one that car jacked someone in the middle of the pandemic just to pay his cell phone bill and help his girl pay her rent. And his dumb ass didn't even where a mask....while there was a mask mandate....

I'm not that concerned with Corn Pop looking to jack my ride.

That is almost a non existent threat, out here in my tiny little town, frozen in the hills of NH.

I am concerned with that parade of people in the twitter clip.

They are teachers, professors, pundits, "community activists".

They have the ear of the president of the United States, and the federal law enforcement apparatus.

Which the President has directed to be turned toward me: I am the greatest threat to "our democracy".

Did you miss the story that the IRS will now start equity based enforcement and will target whites and Asians for increased audits and enforcement actions?