Scammed by Huckabee Supporter

[yaz]

I was in Iowa the last two weeks for Ron Paul's Student Christmas Vacation in Iowa. On the last day our database got messed up and we were not able to remind everyone to go vote and carpool. The group I was with was able to identify one Ron Paul supporter who needed a ride to the caucus.

We went to pick this old woman up and on the way to the caucus she was constantly talking about Ron Paul. We all (3 of us) waited in the school until after the caucus to give her a ride back. On the way back one of us asked her, "So what made you decide to vote for Ron Paul?" Then she replied, "Well, actually I voted for Huckabee because I'm a Christian and he's a Christian too."

Our mouths dropped...


I'm sure it went through all our minds leaving her in the middle of nowhere stranded but us Ron Paul supporters are incredibly nice. We didn't even give her crap for it we were pretty much speechless the way back. I got on my phone and pretended that I was talking to my mom. I tried to make her at least feel a little guilty, "Hey mom. Yeah I should be getting back to Texas on Saturday so I can still make it to church on Sunday. Yeah, I heard that pastor Chuck Baldwin endorsed Ron Paul." I cant remember the rest of the stuff I said but it was something about Ron Paul's brother also being a Christian before I pretended to hang up.

I got a picture of the so-called "Christian" that scammed us:

As she was getting out of the car I said something like, "We're sorry you didn't end up voting for Ron Paul but thanks anyway."


The worst part is because we gave her a ride and waited for her, we missed Ron Paul's rally in Des Moines.

 

[Alabama Supporter]

Mighty Christian of her. Hate to hear that man.

 

[Redcard]

Did you think that it might have been something she heard in the caucus that wasn't being delivered by our candidate?

I wish Dr. Paul would at least be a little less vague about his beliefs. His statement of Faith mentions abortion, but not Jesus.

 

[yaz]

No, right before she left our car to go to the caucus she mentioned something about Huckabee being a good Christian. It's obvious that the used us. Plus she told us in her room at the caucus that Ron Paul won with 5 votes and Huckabee got 2.

 

[chiplitfam]

The real reason

She is simply a by-product of Post Modernism pseudo Christiniaty. It is what has deeply infected the deceived Christian Right. Here is why.



http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=76839

 

[VoluntaryMan]

So she lied to you, to get a free ride? Yeah, that sounds like a Hackubee Christian to me. I'm a Christian, and I'm appalled. Ron Paul is a Christian, too. And 2 of his brothers are pastors, who, unlike the Huckster, actually have theology degrees.

Keep this in mind, also: Hackubee's Iowa margin of victory was provided almost exclusively my self-described "evangelicals." 60% of Iowa caucusers described themselves as "evangelicals." If Hackubee had received all of their votes, well.......he didn't. In fact, he received slightly less than half (the remaining balance of Hick's support came from the the "fair" tax idiots, who seem to prefer a sales tax to Dr. Paul's zero tax plan). Hack's support comes not from Christians, but from stupid Christians, who are, fortunately, in the minority, although an embarrassingly large minority.

 

[pcosmar]

Did you think that it might have been something she heard in the caucus that wasn't being delivered by our candidate?

I wish Dr. Paul would at least be a little less vague about his beliefs. His statement of Faith mentions abortion, but not Jesus.

You might want to read it again.

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

Ron Paul, Statement of Faith.

He is not the Pat Robertson, Jim Baker kind of Televangelist christian.

 

[asgardshill]

I was in Iowa the last two weeks for Ron Paul's Student Christmas Vacation in Iowa. On the last day our database got messed up and we were not able to remind everyone to go vote and carpool. The group I was with was able to identify one Ron Paul supporter who needed a ride to the caucus.

How did this identification take place? How did the group "identify" that the woman was a Ron Paul supporter in the first place? Did she actually tell anybody in the group that, "Yes I will definitely be casting my vote for Ron Paul today" on the way to the caucus? That seems to be the weak link here to me.

JMO and based on the answer to my question above, I don't see how the woman scammed you. She could have fully intended to vote for Paul but changed her mind based on what she was told or shown when she got to the caucus. She could have been interested in Ron Paul's message but fully intended all along to vote for somebody else. Its a pretty far stretch to assume that she was scamming you or anybody else.

And I've got to say, seeing her picture posted here chilled me to the bone. Unless you specifically asked for and received her permission to post her picture on a public forum like this (even if they don't clearly show her face as the pictures here don't), you could have placed yourself AND THE MOVEMENT in big legal trouble if she found out and chose to lawyer up. The legal bar to prove invasion of privacy or harassment is a LOT lower for a private person than it is for a public figure.

I can see your point though - based on what you relayed of the conversation on the way to the caucus, she probably gave you the impression that she was going to go in there and cast her vote for Ron Paul, and you probably feel betrayed when she told you that she didn't. But to call her a scammer then post her picture here goes too far.

My advice? Next time (if there is a next time), ask. And if you don't get the right answer, turn around and dump her Depends-clad wrinkled ass right back where you picked her up.

 

[eloquensanity]

So she lied to you, to get a free ride? Yeah, that sounds like a Hackubee Christian to me. I'm a Christian, and I'm appalled. Ron Paul is a Christian, too. And 2 of his brothers are pastors, who, unlike the Huckster, actually have theology degrees.

Keep this in mind, also: Hackubee's Iowa margin of victory was provided almost exclusively my self-described "evangelicals." 60% of Iowa caucusers described themselves as "evangelicals." If Hackubee had received all of their votes, well.......he didn't. In fact, he received slightly less than half (the remaining balance of Hick's support came from the the "fair" tax idiots, who seem to prefer a sales tax to Dr. Paul's zero tax plan). Hack's support comes not from Christians, but from stupid Christians, who are, fortunately, in the minority, although a an embarrassing large minority.

People like that are not Christian. Christian means Christ like, Lying and deception is NOT Christ like.

Just because they claim to be Christian does not make it so.


Matthew 7:19-23 KJV
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Devil_rules_in_extremes]

Man that story sucks.... What a shame.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

Christian means Christ like

While that's a fair semantic definition, it isn't a very practical one. I've never met a Christ-like person. I'm certainly not very Christ-like. I'm a Christian because of what I believe about who Christ was/is, and what that means to me: that I'm flawed, and in need of redemption, and that Christ is that Redeemer. The "Christians" who actually believe themselves "Christ-like" scare and embarrass the heck out of me (unfortunate choice of words, I know).

Christians should strive to be righteous, but should never be self-righteous; there's a BIG difference.

 

[yaz]

How did this identification take place? How did the group "identify" that the woman was a Ron Paul supporter in the first place? Did she actually tell anybody in the group that, "Yes I will definitely be casting my vote for Ron Paul today" on the way to the caucus? That seems to be the weak link here to me.

JMO and based on the answer to my question above, I don't see how the woman scammed you. She could have fully intended to vote for Paul but changed her mind based on what she was told or shown when she got to the caucus. She could have been interested in Ron Paul's message but fully intended all along to vote for somebody else. Its a pretty far stretch to assume that she was scamming you or anybody else.

And I've got to say, seeing her picture posted here chilled me to the bone. Unless you specifically asked for and received her permission to post her picture on a public forum like this (even if they don't clearly show her face as the pictures here don't), you could have placed yourself AND THE MOVEMENT in big legal trouble if she found out and chose to lawyer up. The legal bar to prove invasion of privacy or harassment is a LOT lower for a private person than it is for a public figure.

I can see your point though - based on what you relayed of the conversation on the way to the caucus, she probably gave you the impression that she was going to go in there and cast her vote for Ron Paul, and you probably feel betrayed when she told you that she didn't. But to call her a scammer then post her picture here goes too far.

My advice? Next time (if there is a next time), ask. And if you don't get the right answer, turn around and dump her Depends-clad wrinkled ass right back where you picked her up.

When we call the first question that we ask is, "Are you a supporter of Ron Paul?" She said yes and that she would vote for him but doesn't have a ride. We said we could provide her a ride for her to vote for Ron Paul. You need to get real and calm down btw.

 

[Gorgy]

She is apparently as shifty as the average adherent to organized religion. Color me unsurprised.

 

[jeffrey7]

How did this identification take place? How did the group "identify" that the woman was a Ron Paul supporter in the first place? Did she actually tell anybody in the group that, "Yes I will definitely be casting my vote for Ron Paul today" on the way to the caucus? That seems to be the weak link here to me.

JMO and based on the answer to my question above, I don't see how the woman scammed you. She could have fully intended to vote for Paul but changed her mind based on what she was told or shown when she got to the caucus. She could have been interested in Ron Paul's message but fully intended all along to vote for somebody else. Its a pretty far stretch to assume that she was scamming you or anybody else.

And I've got to say, seeing her picture posted here chilled me to the bone. Unless you specifically asked for and received her permission to post her picture on a public forum like this (even if they don't clearly show her face as the pictures here don't), you could have placed yourself AND THE MOVEMENT in big legal trouble if she found out and chose to lawyer up. The legal bar to prove invasion of privacy or harassment is a LOT lower for a private person than it is for a public figure.

I can see your point though - based on what you relayed of the conversation on the way to the caucus, she probably gave you the impression that she was going to go in there and cast her vote for Ron Paul, and you probably feel betrayed when she told you that she didn't. But to call her a scammer then post her picture here goes too far.

My advice? Next time (if there is a next time), ask. And if you don't get the right answer, turn around and dump her Depends-clad wrinkled ass right back where you picked her up.

she has no expectation to privacy in public, no laws were broken by posting her picture

 

[VoluntaryMan]

She is apparently as shifty as the average adherent to organized religion. Color me unsurprised.

As shifty as the charlatan she voted for, anyway.

 

[thisisgiparti]

Someone needs to figure out who stole the call lists and crashed the database and see if it can be traced back to the Huckabee camp. Ron Paul volunteers were unable to call all day and organize rides to the caucuses.

It is only coincidence right now that this woman was contacted by Huckabee's people. The OP said he only remembered giving her a ride, but it was impossible to remember everyone. She was just old and voted for the last person who called her and sold her on "Christian." She probably didn't even remember you guys or Ron Paul!

 

[pcosmar]

Originally Posted by asgardshill
But to call her a scammer then post her picture here goes too far.

Next time call her a "lying sack of Huckabee Shit".
And post a clear picture of her face.

 

[thisisgiparti]

Next time call her a "lying sack of Huckabee Shit".
And post a clear picture of her face.

Do you people even get what the memo was about? He is saying a Huckabee supporter infiltrated the grassroots office and stole valuable information!

"She was a crafty old lady... KILL GRANNY!" LOL. Oh, God it hurts! LOL.

 

[Lyn]

If this woman purposely deceived people into taking her to vote by stating she was a Ron Paul supporter than she is a scammer and most unchristian. That is lying plain and simple. While not criminal it is unethical and I'm surprised she calls herself a Christian. If she really wanted to vote Chucklebee she should have just called them up for a ride.

That said, I do believe that what goes around comes around.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

HUCKABEE: "Even if we lose elections, we should not lose our honor"

she has no expectation to privacy in public, no laws were broken by posting her picture

I have no problem with you posting her picture. If she's embarrassed, she should be: she earned it. She stole from you and from Dr. Paul's campaign. If someone here recognizes her, how about giving her a call, and chastizing her for her outlandish behavior? This sort of treachery should be discouraged. The hypocrisy of it is just galling.