SC GOP Senate 2014 Primary Poll: Graham <50%, Bright 13%, Mace 10%, Cash 7%

[Mr.NoSmile]

But he had the Paul name, that's the key difference.

It shouldn't be, though. Liz Cheney has the Cheney name. So? Hillary Clinton has the Clinton name, should she run. So? Lack of political experience is still lack of political experience, I don't care who your parents are.

 

[mosquitobite]

It shouldn't be, though. Liz Cheney has the Cheney name. So? Hillary Clinton has the Clinton name, should she run. So? Lack of political experience is still lack of political experience, I don't care who your parents are.

And I would assume Liz Cheney is a neo-con and Hillary Clinton is a socialist.

Just like everyone assumed Rand Paul was similar to his dad, especially since Ron Paul says he is.

Who vouches for Nancy Mace? (actually I just googled that Tom Davis pushed her to run - anyone have more on that)? What record can someone show me to prove she is truly a liberty candidate?

Because I can show you some of Lee Brights:
http://votesmart.org/candidate/47863/lee-bright#.Uivme9Ksj2w
http://benswann.com/hes-in-lee-bright-launches-u-s-senate-campaign-website/
http://www.leebrightsc.com/2012/05/sc-club-for-growth-endorses-senator-lee-bright/

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

And I would assume Liz Cheney is a neo-con and Hillary Clinton is a socialist.

Just like everyone assumed Rand Paul was similar to his dad, especially since Ron Paul says he is.

Who vouches for Nancy Mace? (actually I just googled that Tom Davis pushed her to run - anyone have more on that)? What record can someone show me to prove she is truly a liberty candidate?

Because I can show you some of Lee Brights:
http://votesmart.org/candidate/47863/lee-bright#.Uivme9Ksj2w
http://benswann.com/hes-in-lee-bright-launches-u-s-senate-campaign-website/
http://www.leebrightsc.com/2012/05/sc-club-for-growth-endorses-senator-lee-bright/

And others can assume Rand Paul is a racist obstructionist. See?

Anyway, on Mace, you can't have a record without political experience. I feel like we've been down this road already. No one's calling her ultimately better than Bright, but if she didn't have any in her, why speak at RLC groups? Never saw Rubio do that in an attempt to pander. Division is only going to give Graham the win, anyway. My main point is lack of political experience sometimes can harm you when running, but in the case of folks like Rand Paul- and not due to name recognition or nepotism- it doesn't harm you at all. Goal here should be to deprive Graham of his voter base and I think the combined effort of all three of them can do that. Ideally I'd prefer either Bright or Mace since I've read more about them than Cash.

 

[Saint Vitus]

wtf is wrong with South Carolina? They elect the most liberal/warmongering Senator, they boo the golden rule, they lick the boot of the MIC. This is the same state that was the first to have the guts to secede from the union. Now it seems to be the most anti-liberty state in all the U.S. This state seems to spit out the most aggressive neocon dickheads. I know there has to be some good liberty-minded people there, but I don't see how they stay in that cesspool of a state.

 

[mosquitobite]

And others can assume Rand Paul is a racist obstructionist. See?

Anyway, on Mace, you can't have a record without political experience. I feel like we've been down this road already. No one's calling her ultimately better than Graham, but if she didn't have any in her, why speak at RLC groups? Never saw Rubio do that in an attempt to pander. Division is only going to give Graham the win, anyway. My main point is lack of political experience sometimes can harm you when running, but in the case of folks like Rand Paul- and not due to name recognition or nepotism- it doesn't harm you at all. Goal here should be to deprive Graham of his voter base and I think the combined effort of all three of them can do that. Ideally I'd prefer either Bright or Mace since I've read more about them than Cash.

I agree the goal is to take out Graham. They have a run off vote there though, so strategy there is different than it would be in my state.

I just go for the devil I know over the devil I don't. I don't know why this seems like something I shouldn't say?

I have been voting for and supporting Republican candidates for almost 20 years now. I've been burned. a lot. I am skeptical is all. I don't want someone else who can be bought by the military ind comp and her Citadel background does concern me. It sucks, but that's where I am these days.

 

[AJ Antimony]

What's with the blind SC hate? This state elected Jim DeMint and Mark Sanford. Some of you need to take a breath.

 

[MichaelDavis]

And others can assume Rand Paul is a racist obstructionist. See?

Anyway, on Mace, you can't have a record without political experience. I feel like we've been down this road already. No one's calling her ultimately better than Bright, but if she didn't have any in her, why speak at RLC groups? Never saw Rubio do that in an attempt to pander. Division is only going to give Graham the win, anyway. My main point is lack of political experience sometimes can harm you when running, but in the case of folks like Rand Paul- and not due to name recognition or nepotism- it doesn't harm you at all. Goal here should be to deprive Graham of his voter base and I think the combined effort of all three of them can do that. Ideally I'd prefer either Bright or Mace since I've read more about them than Cash.

I am sceptical about Nancy Mace for the same reason I was sceptical about Kerry Bentivolio last year. I am not going to trust someone just because they say they are a liberty candidate. She not only has no record, but she has no great accomplishments either. Her one defining charicteristic is that she graduated from college. I am sticking with Lee Bright.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

If Cash, Mace, and Bright don't attack each other and attack Graham, this could go well. All the candidates need to focus on taking Graham's positive image down. The more they do that the more likely they will have a run-off. In my mind, having three candidates running against Graham is better than one. Also, each candidate is different and will bring in different activists that will work the ground. That is potentially more than 3 times the amount of negativity that can be brought against Graham from one opposing candidate.

Things are looking up in SC. I would only hope that the candidates facing Graham stay focused on attacking him and not each other. And rally behind whichever of them heads into the run-off.

If they all focus on Graham and use him as a punching bag we can win this. If they attack each other, they all lose.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

I am sceptical about Nancy Mace for the same reason I was sceptical about Kerry Bentivolio last year. I am not going to trust someone just because they say they are a liberty candidate. She not only has no record, but she has no great accomplishments either. Her one defining charicteristic is that she graduated from college. I am sticking with Lee Bright.

No one's saying you can't, mate. People are going to stick with whom they want. Hell, some folks probably want Richard Cash to win over Bright or Mace. Again, priority is chipping away at Graham's war chest through his voting record and credibility, not rip one another for who they personally want. Not saying that's who they want, but each of the three is better suited than Graham.

 

[Keith and stuff]

wtf is wrong with South Carolina? They elect the most liberal/warmongering Senator,

No they didn't.

they boo the golden rule

True. But there also cheered for drug legalization

they lick the boot of the MIC.

It is SC. The economy is in shambles down there. 1 of the few bright spots in the economy is lots of military jobs.

This is the same state that was the first to have the guts to secede from the union. Now it seems to be the most anti-liberty state in all the U.S.

Back when it left the US, it was controlled by wealthy, white slave owners. They didn't represent what the people of SC wanted in general, mostly just their own special interests.

As for now, my guess would be it is about average, maybe even above average. Here is another take. http://freedominthe50states.org/overall/south-carolina

This state seems to spit out the most aggressive neocon dickheads. I know there has to be some good liberty-minded people there, but I don't see how they stay in that cesspool of a state.

It did have a decent governor. Well, apparently he was abusive and rude, but he did usually stand for smaller government. And it now has that same guy in Congress and a decent Senator. And there are 3 decent state senators. I do agree that Graham is 1 of the worst neocons in the US (IMO, he is the worst neocon but still better than the majority of Senators).

 

[Lucille]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/n...vernor-of-new-jersey.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[Chris Christie] has also told South Carolina Republicans that he wants to help Senator Lindsey Graham, who is facing a conservative primary challenge next year.

The neo-Trots stick together.

Man, conservatives really have a tough road. They not only have to fight the progs in the blue jerseys, but the progs in the red jerseys too.

Polls: Lindsey Graham approval drops in South Carolina
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/lindsey-graham-approval-polls-99086.html#ixzz2jt2thiaP

 

[compromise]

Nancy Mace is a very poor candidate across the board.

Lee Bright is better in every way, he's both more electable and more ideologically pure.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Nancy Mace is a very poor candidate across the board.

Lee Bright is better in every way, he's both more electable and more ideologically pure.

'Very poor' is subjective. After all, none of Graham's challengers could get any sort of backing if people in South Carolina thought they were poor. No one's arguing that Bright has more experience than both Mace and Cash since, you know, he's been a State Senator, but people will back who they want to. After all, look at the funding:

http://www.thestate.com/2013/10/17/3044284/graham-challengers-hope-for-outside.html

So rhetoric wise, they're all better than Graham, but as far as fundraising and having support across the state, they're still slacking. A few backing from Facebook fans, Facebook pages and local groups has to go further, which is why, rather than debating which one is superior- that can really come later- it'd be better to just focus on lowering Graham's defenses. After all, the whole let's get behind this one candidate because they look better is the same mentality the GOP used when trying to rally everyone behind Romney. No comparison rhetoric-wise, but having three- as of now- candidates gives more of an opportunity to focus on attacking Graham.

 

[Hyperion]

wtf is wrong with South Carolina? They elect the most liberal/warmongering Senator, they boo the golden rule, they lick the boot of the MIC. This is the same state that was the first to have the guts to secede from the union. Now it seems to be the most anti-liberty state in all the U.S. This state seems to spit out the most aggressive neocon dickheads. I know there has to be some good liberty-minded people there, but I don't see how they stay in that cesspool of a state.

That's a tad strong. The SC house delegation is perhaps the best Republican delegation in the country.

 

[T.hill]

Nancy Mace is a successful small business owner, she's connected to Tom Davis and Mark Sanford. She enthusiastically supported Mark Sanford during the special election and Ron Paul has said he probably is gonna endorse her, but that was before it became a competitive race with 3 anti-graham candidates.

 

[T.hill]

She was vague and ambiguous in her interviews on Fox and TheBlaze, but that was more being unprepared and nervous then trying to dodge the issues. Those interviews were immediately after she announced.

 

[eduardo89]

This is good, and we haven't even gotten to the big groups like Club for Growth, GAO, and FreedomWorks spending against Graham yet. Not to mention anti-immigration groups.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I don't see why its presumed that all the "not Graham" people would vote for ANY "not Graham" candidate. I don't think that's the case.

I've heard enough from Bright that I believe he's solid. Nancy Mace... I looked at her campaign page, and while she certainly seems "Better than Graham" I'm not sure exactly what she is. I'm guessing she's probabbly more of a Cruz type, although that may not be the case.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I am sceptical about Nancy Mace for the same reason I was sceptical about Kerry Bentivolio last year. I am not going to trust someone just because they say they are a liberty candidate. She not only has no record, but she has no great accomplishments either. Her one defining charicteristic is that she graduated from college. I am sticking with Lee Bright.

Kerry was a Reindeer Rancher, HS Teacher, Autoworker, Part Time Santa, and occasional actor who backed in to a House Seat because the real candidate got taken off the ballot. When he filed those papers, nobody, least of all him, had any expectation that he'd come even remotely close to winning that primary. He had no political experience and was looked at as an outsider and nuisance by the state GOP. So to compare him to Mace is a bit ridiculous.

Mace is a small businesswoman who runs a business that revolves entirely around politics. She is BFF's with the man who is probably the most powerful Liberty Republican in any state legislature in all of America. Her firm worked for Scott and Mulvaney. The difference between Mace and Bentivolio is that even if Mace is a lightweight like him, she's lightweight that is firmly in our camp and she has a strong support network made up entirely of our people. She's completely in bed with the Sanford/Davis wing of the SC GOP and since that is the ascendent strain of Republicanism in SC right now, there is no reason to thing she'd go off the rails even if she were some kind of cynical, finger in the wind type.

Nacey Mace introduces Tom Davis before his big endorsement of Ron Paul back in 2012:



I like Bright and Mace, think both would make great Senators, and think both are good enough to beat Graham. I'm pulling for Mace because ideologically, I don't think there would be an difference, and if there is no difference, all things being equal a Woman who is part of the Internet Generation is probably better for the overall image of the movement then another older, male, Southern conservative christian type. Especially since Paul Broun (love the guy, hope he wins and believe he will win but there is no denying he's the National Media's wet dream in terms of how they want to stereotype us) is probably going to be the Republican candidate in Georgia.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

wtf is wrong with South Carolina? They elect the most liberal/warmongering Senator,

Since 1994, Graham has NEVER received any serious challenge to his seat.