Runoff election for a free state - round 2

[picaro]

If you're too blinkered by your pre-conceptions of New England... there is the Free State Wyoming project (another splinter group).

If you splinter in a dozen different directions it defeats the point of these projects to begin with.

 

[damon04]

Texas, Nevada, Colorado

 

[mvpel]

The nice thing about New Hampshire is that we're all within arguing distance of one another. You can get from anywhere, to anywhere in the region where 90% of the population lives in a couple hours drive tops.

In Montana, on the other hand, if one activist lives in Wibaux and another lives in Troy, they're an 11-hour drive apart and might never meet. Likewise, Troy is about 5 hours from the capitol, and Wibaux is about a seven hour drive. Good luck testifying on anti-freedom bills... Here in New Hampshire, we can turn out dozens, or hundreds, in Concord for big legislative days on very short notice, and they can all sleep at home that night.

In Nevada, there's not even a north-south interstate - if you want to get from Las Vegas to Carson City, it's an eight-hour drive on rural highways.

Sure, if you want to just hide out and not get involved in the process, and not be an activist except for the occasional letter to the editor or to your state rep who lives 120 miles away and has no idea who you are, then sure, Nevada or Montana, Texas or Alaska, why not?

But if you want to be an activist, and work with a great group of energetic people to take real, meaningful action to protect and expand liberty in your home state, it's gotta be New Hampshire.

And Picaro - it's not the largest legislative body "per capita" - it is, in its own right, the third-largest legislative body in the entire English-speaking world. First is the US Congress, second place is the English House of Commons, and the third is the New Hampshire Legislature.

 

[mvpel]

But there only 500 people! it's not going to swing a vote.

Actually, it already has swung at least one vote - my wife and I, Free Staters, were the deciding votes in a 154-153 decision at our town's deliberative session to cut $1.54 million from the town budget.

 

[forsmant]

Wyoming

 

[montanarp]

53 nice and sunny

 

[LibertiORDeth]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=122743

Here is some ideas.

 

[TXcarlosTX]

TEXAS!!!! all colors all culturals!! perfect weather stable real estate market. many professional sport teams to choose from. border state. ocean front. we already have many military bases. i say we keep them and claim them as our own. we will need our own army and navy. haha this is gangster

 

[OferNave]

Actually, it already has swung at least one vote - my wife and I, Free Staters, were the deciding votes in a 154-153 decision at our town's deliberative session to cut $1.54 million from the town budget.

You rock!

People don't seem to understand exactly how effective 500 *activists* can be. The FSP isn't about getting 20k liberty minded *voters*, it's about getting 20k liberty minded *activists*. The people here on the ground, who already plugged in, are telling me that 20k is way overkill. We're already doing great work with 500 people, and with the First 1000 pledge people starting to show up, we'll be in great shape for the 2010 elections. I'm working on the 2008 elections right now.

 

[Joe3113]

It needs to be either Alaska or a border state with sea access.

- You would be morons to make it Colorado because, logistically, you are still under US control.
- Montana would mean you are logistically controlled by the Canadians who may eventually be infiltrated (No sea access).
- Nevada is ridiculous for the same reason as Colorado (land-locked).

Your only options are TX, NH, WA and AK....now lets break them down

- New Hampshire is too close to Washington D.C. and almost completely surrounded by other states with only relatively small sea access (easily US controlled)
- Texas sea access is dependent on the Gulf of Mexico which could be easily controlled by US ships due to it's confinement.

So I think AK and WA are the only really good options.

Alaska would be perfect because you could align yourself with Russia, be extremely far away from Washington D.C., and have Canada as a buffer. Obviously a lot of you have a problem with the weather so Washington State is also a good choice because you have excellent sea access, you are far away from Washington D.C and you have a significant proportion of your border with Canada and not other US states.

In short I think Alaska and Washington State easily take first and second place.

A very distant 3rd and 4th is NH and Texas.

The rest are just ridiculous.

 

[Acidlump]

New Hampshire although it has a small population that we could "overpopulate" it, the cost of living is to expensive for a move-in. The problem with Texas is that it is too big and to many people live there. For these reasons I have voted for Alaska, Montana, and Nevada. Although looking back on it Colorado and Washington could also be good states.

 

[katjust]

Wyoming would have been the state to pick. I am from there (now in Texas), but the tiny population would have been the best. Montana is my second choice. NH is my third.

 

[ThomasJ]

Montana...
Total Population
997,195
Total land area
147,165 square miles
6.19 persons per sq/mile

New Hampshire.
Total Population
1,235,786
Total land Area
9,350 square miles
137.8 persons per sq/mile

Alaska
Total Population
626,932
Total land Area
663,267 square miles
1.09 persons per sq/mile


I would suggest Alaska and Montana on population density alone. With 20k people you could completely take over a county.

You cannot do that in NH there is to many people.

 

[ThomasJ]

Wyoming would have been the state to pick. I am from there (now in Texas), but the tiny population would have been the best. Montana is my second choice. NH is my third.

The only reason I cannot endorse Wyoming is that Darth Cheney is from there. They have Dick Cheney federal building there in Casper.........

I cannot endorse Wyoming.

 

[forsmant]

The only reason I cannot endorse Wyoming is that Darth Cheney is from there. They have Dick Cheney federal building there in Casper.........

I cannot endorse Wyoming.

Thats ridiculous. I am sure you can find an example of an unliked man that resided in each state.

 

[BuddyRey]

You can't hold the fraud of a few against the many. NH was not lost legitimately.

Are you sure about that?

If the race was closer than it was, I would probably be suspicious of fraud myself, but we got so thoroughly trounced up there, I can't help but think NH just wasn't ready for the Ron Paul Revolution.

 

[Cleaner44]

It needs to be either Alaska or a border state with sea access.

- You would be morons to make it Colorado because, logistically, you are still under US control.
- Montana would mean you are logistically controlled by the Canadians who may eventually be infiltrated (No sea access).
- Nevada is ridiculous for the same reason as Colorado (land-locked).

Your only options are TX, NH, WA and AK....now lets break them down

- New Hampshire is too close to Washington D.C. and almost completely surrounded by other states with only relatively small sea access (easily US controlled)
- Texas sea access is dependent on the Gulf of Mexico which could be easily controlled by US ships due to it's confinement.

So I think AK and WA are the only really good options.

Alaska would be perfect because you could align yourself with Russia, be extremely far away from Washington D.C., and have Canada as a buffer. Obviously a lot of you have a problem with the weather so Washington State is also a good choice because you have excellent sea access, you are far away from Washington D.C and you have a significant proportion of your border with Canada and not other US states.

In short I think Alaska and Washington State easily take first and second place.

A very distant 3rd and 4th is NH and Texas.

The rest are just ridiculous.

I think these are very valid points. I was thinking much the same with sea access.

 

[Benaiah]

//

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

#1 New Hampshire
#2 Wyoming
#3 Montana

 

[Carolina_Misfit]

If you look up what the Indians are saying..and I did..none of those states are safe..right now the area above me would be and its not on the list....western mountains of NC...east of Tn. as far as you can go..my husband and I have been talking about finding a place..a community..we're ready...screw the bills and the house...no point in staying if the government just going to take it later anyway.