RULE CHANGE: 8 States needed to be put into Nomination

[gte811i]

That isn't working. No matter how many times you try to tell yourself and others that it is, it doesn't make it so. You can throw out all of the names: Rand, Amash, Massie, etc....and unless they kiss the ring, they can't play. And here's the dirtiest little secret of all: even though Rand HAS kissed the ring, he probably has his own glass ceiling too...I don't expect he will secure the GOP nomination in 2016. That's along way off, and they will coronate some other little darling of the party between then and now.

He may not secure the GOP nomination . . . but there is an extremely good chance that there will be a Liberty minded candidate in the nomination process. Very similar instance happened with Pat Buchannan and you will always see a social conservative as a candidate.

 

[gte811i]

Yes, but there will be more to gain in the long run if we all start working toward that now.

That said, there so much the American people need to be educated about...and until THAT happens, we're really screwed because the establishment of both major parties will keep them doing the easy thing.

I will agree with you on education. A society always gets the government it deserves. If we had good honest people watching and engaged in politics the corruption couldn't happen because it would be exposed so quickly and the perpetrators kicked out.

 

[Grindleader]

They do hold most of the cards, but less cards than they used to hold. We have made inroads into the party infrastructure that have stung and scared them. We have given them a bloody nose, metaphorically speaking. They would not react this way if they did not feel threatened. And after they change the rules about delegate selection and whatever else they want to do, what happens to our compatriots who hold public office and positions within the party? Nothing. They will still be there tomorrow, pursuing our agenda for the next one, two, three, or four years. And at each turn we will continue to send motivated individuals to run for more offices and more positions and to vote for more like-minded people. If the establishment can energize their base and out organize us then they will win, but they have shown no ability to do that. If we keep picking off positions in the party one by one; if we keep changing minds about the role of government in a free society; at some point the majority becomes the minority and a sea change occurs. At some point the reins of the Republican Party will fall into the hands of individuals truly committed to liberty. But this will not happen overnight and it will not happen without a corresponding shift in public sentiment. That is where our biggest challenge still lies.

That is true. You are missing the point however. THEY CHANGED THE RULES. On their own whim. What makes you think they won't change OTHER rules? Or do any number of other things? Sure, we gave them a bloody nose, but by changing the rules, in other words, cheated, what did we get? Looks almost like a coup de grace.

The wounds inflicted on them don't seem as bad as the wounds inflicted on us. The only good thing about that is, that maybe, hopefully, it will wake a lot more people up to whats really going on.

The ONLY way I see us having any chance, is by getting 70-90 percent of the country to wake up. And then, you still have to deal with the division they create through the media etc. Just having the numbers isn't enough, you have to have cohesiveness as well. A single united body working together. An unruly mob is not exactly effective.

Sort of like a laser. The light from a light bulb sheds light, but doesn't have much power. Coherent light, as in a laser, where the light is all of one wavelength and focused, has great power.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

fuck them. vote obama

go head troll.

 

[gjdavis60]

That isn't working. No matter how many times you try to tell yourself and others that it is, it doesn't make it so. You can throw out all of the names: Rand, Amash, Massie, etc....and unless they kiss the ring, they can't play. And here's the dirtiest little secret of all: even though Rand HAS kissed the ring, he probably has his own glass ceiling too...I don't expect he will secure the GOP nomination in 2016. That's along way off, and they will coronate some other little darling of the party between then and now.

Having a presidential candidate is great for our message, and for winning hearts and minds, but I don't think we have to win the presidency to advance our cause. Rand has already taken some pretty gutsy stands in the Senate that - if he was really just a sell-out - he would not have taken. But he needs more friends there to be effective. It makes no sense for him to rage against the machine and self-immolate before the end of his first term. We don't have the numbers or the popular support yet to simply steamroll the system. We need people in front of the media to continue to make our case. Calmly and confidently to bring more people over to our side. I'm sorry things are not developing more quickly, but I will not let my disappointment obscure the real gains that the movement is making. We have never been in such a strong position as we are today.

 

[gjdavis60]

Thanks to the gains made in 2008 by some long-sighted Ron Paul fans who saw the corruption and decided to actually try and make a difference, I was recently nominated to the Executive Committee of my local GOP. We had about ~30 people nominated. The local GOP had interviews, about 18 people went to the interviews for 13 slots. All 18 are RPers. If I do not get on the Ex. Comm this time around we have our County Convention in March. I have been heavily involved so if we have enough people attend I will get on then.

I already worked on a local congressional campaign for a liberty minded candidate who unfortunately lost by ~4% points earlier this year. We will proceed to lay the groundwork to recruit liberty minded candidates to run for office and for liberty minded people to get involved. Our local GOP has breakfasts each month. One of my personal goals is for some of those breakfasts to bring in some liberty speakers from the Mises Institute. If we can succeed in our county we will work up to our Congressional District. We would like to get liberty individuals on the nominating committees, platform committees, etc. I would like to lay the groundwork for the next election cycle so we have a better chance of making an impact.

That is what I'm planning on doing. Much better than going to the Libertarian Party, moaning, complaining, tilting at windmills, etc.

All this crap the RNC is doing has only strengthen my resolve to replace all these corrupt SOBs.

This. Bravo!

 

[gte811i]

That is true. You are missing the point however. THEY CHANGED THE RULES. On their own whim. What makes you think they won't change OTHER rules? Or do any number of other things? Sure, we gave them a bloody nose, but by changing the rules, in other words, cheated, what did we get? Looks almost like a coup de grace.

The wounds inflicted on them don't seem as bad as the wounds inflicted on us. The only good thing about that is, that maybe, hopefully, it will wake a lot more people up to whats really going on.

The ONLY way I see us having any chance, is by getting 70-90 percent of the country to wake up. And then, you still have to deal with the division they create through the media etc. Just having the numbers isn't enough, you have to have cohesiveness as well. A single united body working together. An unruly mob is not exactly effective.

Sort of like a laser. The light from a light bulb sheds light, but doesn't have much power. Coherent light, as in a laser, where the light is all of one wavelength and focused, has great power.

You are right the only hope is for the country to wake up. You can not have small government if the people are not awake. We have Obamacare b/c frankly a huge portion of the actual people in this country wanted it. You only change that through education.

The good thing is that corruption is always its own destruction. For example, I'm LDS (mormon) and I used to think Romney was a decent moral guy, simply b/c most people who I know who are LDS are really good people. After the crap, I've seen over the past few days I think he is just as corrupt as the rest of them. He may be (IMO) a little better, but he is still corrupt. He may be LDS but he is still corrupt. My mom, LDS voted for Romney in the Primary (yet attended conventions for Ron Paul b/c of me )! is started to become convinced he is no better than Obama and that he is corrupt also.

Eventually if you have enough good, honest, decent individuals in society they will overturn the corruption. If individuals are corrupt themselves they will get a corrupt government.

 

[Grindleader]

They do hold most of the cards, but less cards than they used to hold. We have made inroads into the party infrastructure that have stung and scared them. We have given them a bloody nose, metaphorically speaking. They would not react this way if they did not feel threatened. And after they change the rules about delegate selection and whatever else they want to do, what happens to our compatriots who hold public office and positions within the party? Nothing. They will still be there tomorrow, pursuing our agenda for the next one, two, three, or four years. And at each turn we will continue to send motivated individuals to run for more offices and more positions and to vote for more like-minded people. If the establishment can energize their base and out organize us then they will win, but they have shown no ability to do that. If we keep picking off positions in the party one by one; if we keep changing minds about the role of government in a free society; at some point the majority becomes the minority and a sea change occurs. At some point the reins of the Republican Party will fall into the hands of individuals truly committed to liberty. But this will not happen overnight and it will not happen without a corresponding shift in public sentiment. That is where our biggest challenge still lies.

That is true. You are missing the point however. THEY CHANGED THE RULES. On their own whim. What makes you think they won't change OTHER rules? Or do any number of other things? Sure, we gave them a bloody nose, but by changing the rules, in other words, cheated, what did we get? Looks almost like a coup de grace.

The wounds inflicted on them don't seem as bad as the wounds inflicted on us. The only good thing about that is, that maybe, hopefully, it will wake a lot more people up to whats really going on.

The ONLY way I see us having any chance, is by getting 70-90 percent of the country to wake up. And then, you still have to deal with the division they create through the media etc. Just having the numbers isn't enough, you have to have cohesiveness as well. A single united body working together. An unruly mob is not exactly effective.

Sort of like a laser. The light from a light bulb sheds light, but doesn't have much power. Coherent light, as in a laser, where the light is all of one wavelength and focused, has great power.

Sorry for the double post. I would delete if I knew how.

 

[pcosmar]

 

[Shane Harris]

go head troll.

not troll. just upset. I won't actually vote Obama. But its this kind of shit that makes me want to just to spite them.

 

[gte811i]

This. Bravo!

Thank you. It is actually quite sad. All we need to completely revamp our State party is around 11,000 people. In a State of over 8 million people we need ~11,000. About 100-200 people in each county. That is it. The fact is there just isn't enough people who get involved who care. Over 40,000k registered republicans in my county and only about 200 show up at the conventions.

 

[gjdavis60]

That is true. You are missing the point however. THEY CHANGED THE RULES. On their own whim. What makes you think they won't change OTHER rules? Or do any number of other things? Sure, we gave them a bloody nose, but by changing the rules, in other words, cheated, what did we get? Looks almost like a coup de grace.

The wounds inflicted on them don't seem as bad as the wounds inflicted on us. The only good thing about that is, that maybe, hopefully, it will wake a lot more people up to whats really going on.

The ONLY way I see us having any chance, is by getting 70-90 percent of the country to wake up. And then, you still have to deal with the division they create through the media etc. Just having the numbers isn't enough, you have to have cohesiveness as well. A single united body working together. An unruly mob is not exactly effective.

Sort of like a laser. The light from a light bulb sheds light, but doesn't have much power. Coherent light, as in a laser, where the light is all of one wavelength and focused, has great power.

I respectfully disagree. They have everything to lose and we have nothing to lose. They cannot hurt us nearly as much as we can hurt them. We have made gains (which we continue to hold) in their organization at their expense. We control a number of state parties and more local organizations. We have enthusiasm. They have apathy. I think we have hurt them more than you know. I think they sense their control slipping away and they are scared to death. They can cheat all they want, but they cannot stop an idea whose time has come. We just need to keep at it and convince more people to join us.

 

[McChronagle]

These fools. Their foreign policy is not reserved for foreign countries. It has become their entire outlook on life and how you treat other people. The blow back principle will stand true in this regard as well.

 

[pcosmar]

not troll. just upset. I won't actually vote Obama. But its this kind of shit that makes me want to just to spite them.

If the delegates fail to do the right thing,, Obama will mop the floor with Romney.
Not that there is any damn difference between them.

I won't vote for Obama,, I'll write in RP first.
But a lot of folks will vote 3rd party,, or just not vote.
Most Conservatives won't vote for Romney (he disgusts them) and will just stay home.

Nominating Romney guarantees Obama another term.

 

[Starfield]

How important is the "getting Ron Paul's name put into nomination" thing? Delegates can still vote for Ron Paul even if his name isn't put into nomination, can't they?

 

[gjdavis60]

Thank you. It is actually quite sad. All we need to completely revamp our State party is around 11,000 people. In a State of over 8 million people we need ~11,000. About 100-200 people in each county. That is it. The fact is there just isn't enough people who get involved who care. Over 40,000k registered republicans in my county and only about 200 show up at the conventions.

Culture changes very slowly; especially when people are content. But satisfaction is waning and the sour economy will drive even more people our way. We are on the right track. Congrats and thanks for showing the way!

 

[cajuncocoa]

fuck them. vote obama

OH HELL NO.

 

[Lightweis]

Should i keep giving news?

 

[Tinnuhana]

Ron's name in nomination means a free 15 minute unfettered speech to the convention. Now it seems that if he is nominated, they will change the rules so he can't give the speech. But that would be so blatant and right on prime time television. That's why the delegates should do all they can to nominate him. Let the country and the world see what is going on. One way or another, put those seeds of doubt in a lot of status quo minds.
Then start training new crops of delegates for the next elections, etc.

 

[twomp]

He may not secure the GOP nomination . . . but there is an extremely good chance that there will be a Liberty minded candidate in the nomination process. Very similar instance happened with Pat Buchannan and you will always see a social conservative as a candidate.

Ask Pat Buchannan how far he has gotten with that whole "social conservative" thing? The GOP has been paying lip service to the evangelicals for over 2 decades now and nothing has changed. Even when George Bush was president and had both the house and the senate, nothing happened for them.

You of course believe things will magically change just because you want it to? Look at the writing on the wall. This movement staying in the GOP will result in one of 2 things, the death of the movement due to the GOP changing it's rules at every turn. Or the movement gets co-opted which means they will say they are for liberty but not do a damn thing about it. Just ask the evangelicals how their attempt at "taking over" the GOP is going lol