RULE CHANGE: 8 States needed to be put into Nomination

[sailingaway]

I understand we took over DURING the convention. However, who did the police listen to and why? They listened to the State Party Chairman because he was the one running the show. You still haven't answered the question. If one of our supporters was the State Party Chairman, who the police listened to, would he have ordered the police to attack anyone?

How did the state party chairman become state party chairman, and if they ignore one vote why not that one?

 

[tsai3904]

As opposed to your ideology of "taking over" the GOP while they change the rules to keep that very thing from happening. The world as you see it today is not how it will be tomorrow. There are more registered independents than then registered Democrats or Republicans. If you continue believing Team Red will magically change one day and accept you. Good Luck, I sincerely wish you the best.

I rather go after the independent then try and change the mentality of Team Red or Team Blue. Your logical fallacies astound me.

Independents fall victim to the team red and blue too. You say Independents outnumber Democrats and Republicans but how many stick to voting independent in the general election? Most independents label themselves that but still side with one major party over the other.

 

[cajuncocoa]

The police were going to listen to the people in charge of running the convention. My point is if the people in charge of running the convention from the beginning were Ron Paul supporters, none of it would have went down like that. Why were our supporters not in charge of running the convention from the beginning...because we had not yet taken over the state party leadership positions, from 2 years back or 4 years back whenever those elections occurred.

OK, I guess you were there and you know everything. I guess the stuff we saw on the video is wrong.

 

[tsai3904]

How did the state party chairman become state party chairman, and if they ignore one vote why not that one?

If you accept this thinking then there is absolutely zero hope in anything...why bother every voting?

 

[gte811i]

I'm not really following your question. Mr. Henry Herford Jr. was elected party chairman, but Villere ordered state police to have him and others removed. Villere is part of the good ol' boy LAGOP network. Of course the state police were going to listen to him.

Have you also seen the recent thread where it was posted they just passed a resolution that the rules going forward are basically whatever the establishment wants them to be? Trying to fight that is like fighting the IRS.

Yes and No. The RP elected chairman was elected in what amounts to a hostile takeover. According to the Roberts Rules and unless there is any state party rule contrary to the fact, the majority can call for the Party Chair to be vacant and elect a new chair. This is what they in effect did . . . this is like a hostile takeover. The point is that AFAIK the LA Chairman was not up for election during this convention cycle. What they did was completely legit, but not through the normal process.

For example, here in GA the Party Chairman is elected in off election years (i.e. next year). If we had had a majority, we could have removed by majority vote the current chair. Completely legit, but highly irregular and a hostile takeover. I imagine there is something similar in LA. If the LA Ron Paulers stay together they will be able to elect whoever they want to during a normal convention election cycle.

 

[cajuncocoa]

How did the state party chairman become state party chairman, and if they ignore one vote why not that one?

I don't think he's going to be convinced that he's wrong, sailing.

 

[cajuncocoa]

If you accept this thinking then there is absolutely zero hope in anything...why bother every voting?

That's a good question, really.

 

[gte811i]

In GA we are hoping everyone sticks together for next year when all these party positions are up for election. Getting our people elected next year will be seen as less of a threat (still a threat, just not as much of one). We will be able to gather more support from the regular Party base because it is being done according to what is normal.

 

[sailingaway]

OK, I guess you were there and you know everything. I guess the stuff we saw on the video is wrong.

No, I get what he is saying, but when the rot is as deep as we saw there it is way beyond process, we are going to have to take him out in the media and politically.

 

[sailingaway]

If you accept this thinking then there is absolutely zero hope in anything...why bother every voting?

In Louisiana that seems to be a very good question, and we need public outcry imho. Not all states are the same.

 

[tsai3904]

That's a good question, really.

I understand you want nothing to do with the GOP. What do you think is the best route to take? Libertarian party, don't vote, etc.?

 

[cajuncocoa]

No, I get what he is saying, but when the rot is as deep as we saw there it is way beyond process, we are going to have to take him out in the media and politically.

Yes, I think I do too after he clarified. Thing is, Villere is going to make sure his people turn out if/when he's up for re-election as party chair. It won't be like it was in June of 2012. They didn't turn out because they knew they needn't bother (same with the caucus in April; they knew they could just steal it later and they did).

 

[sailingaway]

Yes, I think I do too after he clarified. Thing is, Villere is going to make sure his people turn out if/when he's up for re-election as party chair. It won't be like it was in June of 2012. They didn't turn out because they knew they needn't bother (same with the caucus in April; they knew they could just steal it later and they did).

Not so much if he is already shown as a brownshirt in the media, possibly, given his actions at State Convention.

Or if there is a lawsuit on the facts.

 

[gte811i]

As opposed to your ideology of "taking over" the GOP while they change the rules to keep that very thing from happening. The world as you see it today is not how it will be tomorrow. There are more registered independents than registered Democrats or Republicans. If you continue believing Team Red will magically change one day and accept you. Good Luck, I sincerely wish you the best.

I rather go after the independent then try and change the mentality of Team Red or Team Blue. Your logical fallacies astound me.

Good luck trying to actually get people to vote Libertarian. As much as some people claimed tbone was a shill, he had some good points. In it's 40 something years of existence the Libertarian party has had ~3 people actually elected. In the last 4 years we have Rand Paul, Justin Amash, and we will have Massie coming soon.

It sucks, I wish it were different, but it is what it is. Good luck tilting at windmills in the Libertarian Party.

 

[gjdavis60]

Does it make sense at this point to take over the Libertarian party and to then use the grassroots to start winning elections? The R's have wised up to what we were doing and are circling the wagons.

The Libertarian Party (and all third parties) was condemned to irrelevance a long time a go by the duopoly. Third parties are nothing more than honey pots and "free speech zones", conveniently hobbled and secluded from public view. Why would we want to go there? It's exactly where the establishment wants us. Where they don't want us is inside their party,which is why they're fighting us. That's when you know you're on the right track: when they're not ignoring you.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Not so much if he is already shown as a brownshirt in the media, possibly, given his actions at State Convention.

Or if there is a lawsuit on the facts.

The whole thing barely made local news here. I know it was in the local paper, but it was buried.

I'm not trying to argue with you, sailing...I think we mostly see eye-to-eye on things. Lawsuit may be the only thing that takes him down, but in a good ol' boy system even that will be hard.

 

[sailingaway]

The whole thing barely made local news here. I know it was in the local paper, but it was buried.

I know. It would need to be a project.

 

[gjdavis60]

As opposed to your ideology of "taking over" the GOP while they change the rules to keep that very thing from happening. The world as you see it today is not how it will be tomorrow. There are more registered independents than registered Democrats or Republicans. If you continue believing Team Red will magically change one day and accept you. Good Luck, I sincerely wish you the best.

I rather go after the independent then try and change the mentality of Team Red or Team Blue. Your logical fallacies astound me.

Independents lack a political party which in this country is the vehicle needed to access the political means. Specifically, only 2 parties in this country have this capability. All others have been effectively disabled and made irrelevant.

 

[cajuncocoa]

The Libertarian Party (and all third parties) was condemned to irrelevance a long time a go by the duopoly. Third parties are nothing more than honey pots and "free speech zones", conveniently hobbled and secluded from public view. Why would we want to go there? It's exactly where the establishment wants us. Where they don't want us is inside their party,which is why they're fighting us. That's when you know you're on the right track: when they're not ignoring you.

You DO understand, don't you, that the censorship of 3rd parties is part of the problem...and as long as that censorship prevails, we haven't really changed anything.

 

[GARNET]

There is a website taking signatures re: Ron Paul running as an Independant.. how likely is that?