RULE CHANGE: 8 States needed to be put into Nomination

[cajuncocoa]

I know. It would need to be a project.

I hope I was able to help a little with informing people...my GOP friends on Facebook have probably blocked me by now, but I keep posting!!

 

[gte811i]

Yes, I think I do too after he clarified. Thing is, Villere is going to make sure his people turn out if/when he's up for re-election as party chair. It won't be like it was in June of 2012. They didn't turn out because they knew they needn't bother (same with the caucus in April; they knew they could just steal it later and they did).

He could but it will be a lot harder to do so, especially when it's a regular election. You can't make up funny rules when it's a normal election and we hold a good majority.

Look guys, most people here just don't want to admit, we simply did not have enough people attend the conventions. We made an extremely good show but we didn't have enough. In LA for example, if we had had 75% of the delegates there is no flipping way they could unseat them. People as corrupt as Villiare only stay in power because not enough uncorrupt people attend convention and to kick him out.

 

[Grindleader]

All this cheating, lying, corruption, fraud, tyranny and breaking of rules, shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we no longer have a representative government. When criminals and thugs run our country, ignore our constitution and break their own rules to put THEIR choice in a position of power, we no longer have a country.

No matter who you support, the very acts that they commit, prove conclusively that they have no interest in what the people have to say or want. They do not represent us, they are only interested in themselves and maintaining their power.

They have basically declared war on the citizens of America. They have told us in no uncertain terms, that they run things and we have no say. They control the apparatus and will continue to do so. All for our own good of course. How very magnanimous of them.

This whole cycle has been nothing but a sham, full of blatant, in your face fraud. No matter what we do, they will cut us off at the knees. They are willing to do ANYTHING to preserve their power.

You can think you will win things by slow measures, and you may to some extent, but I seriously doubt they will let freedom and the constitution regain their statures. It is not in their best interest.

All you have to do is look at the games they have played during this cycle. It PROVES they are not going to play by the rules. Not now. Not EVER. It's a rigged game, and they hold most of the cards.

THAT is the truth.

 

[gjdavis60]

You DO understand, don't you, that the censorship of 3rd parties is part of the problem...and as long as that censorship prevails, we haven't really changed anything.

It's a chicken and egg problem, isn't it? You don't undo the duopoly without access to the political means, and you only get that through one of the two parties.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Nazi Party.

 

[jcarcinogen]

Is the campaign going to do anything to get in the news?

 

[kpitcher]

I rather go after the independent then try and change the mentality of Team Red or Team Blue. Your logical fallacies astound me.

I'm in a very Republican area. Even on the township level you must be republican to win, plain and simple. People are trained to vote straight party and that's that. There was a successful recall at my township level. The people voted back in where the friends of the guys kicked out simply because they were the GOP nominee. Straight party won. Seriously what do party affiliates matter on a township level in a rural area?

Now it'd be nice if Michigan was like a few other states where you couldn't vote straight party, didn't even see party affiliation on the ballot. But well, we're not. So until all states stop allowing straight party voting we need to take over one major party to have any chance. Educating the masses that there are more than 2 parties is just not going to be doable.

 

[low preference guy]

Is the campaign going to do anything to get in the news?

If getting in the news is going to be helpful to Mitt Romney, they would. If not, they won't. If you want to know whether the so-called Ron Paul campaign would do X, you have to ask yourself this question: Would X benefit Mitt Romney?

 

[DGambler]

I agree with you, now what?

All this cheating, lying, corruption, fraud, tyranny and breaking of rules, shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we no longer have a representative government. When criminals and thugs run our country, ignore our constitution and break their own rules to put THEIR choice in a position of power, we no longer have a country.

No matter who you support, the very acts that they commit, prove conclusively that they have no interest in what the people have to say or want. They do not represent us, they are only interested in themselves and maintaining their power.

They have basically declared war on the citizens of America. They have told us in no uncertain terms, that they run things and we have no say. They control the apparatus and will continue to do so. All for our own good of course. How very magnanimous of them.

This whole cycle has been nothing but a sham, full of blatant, in your face fraud. No matter what we do, they will cut us off at the knees. They are willing to do ANYTHING to preserve their power.

You can think you will win things by slow measures, and you may to some extent, but I seriously doubt they will let freedom and the constitution regain their statures. It is not in their best interest.

All you have to do is look at the games they have played during this cycle. It PROVES they are not going to play by the rules. Not now. Not EVER. It's a rigged game, and they hold most of the cards.

THAT is the truth.

 

[gte811i]

You DO understand, don't you, that the censorship of 3rd parties is part of the problem...and as long as that censorship prevails, we haven't really changed anything.

I agree with you . . . but you are only going to change that within the current party structure. IMO the reason why we have a two party system ultimately starts at the Electoral College and states having Winner-Take-All elections. In order to have a third party system you either need a run-off or some sort of power sharing agreement (like for example Greece's power-sharing coalition government).

You will never have a viable third-party as long as national elections do not have a run-off.

Too many people will vote for one of the major parties for fear that if they vote for who they want to the really bad guy will get into office.
Shoot the Civil War started exactly because of this issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860

Lincoln gathered less than 40% of the vote. 60% of the country voted against Lincoln, yet because we did not have a run-off and states were Winner-Take-All in the electoral college, Lincoln slammed everyone in the electoral college.

This is the precise reason why both parties put out the fear of the lessor of two evils and why a third-party will never be viable. You have to rectify the systemic flaw within the U.S. election process in order to have viable 3rd parties.

 

[gte811i]

All this cheating, lying, corruption, fraud, tyranny and breaking of rules, shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we no longer have a representative government. When criminals and thugs run our country, ignore our constitution and break their own rules to put THEIR choice in a position of power, we no longer have a country.

No matter who you support, the very acts that they commit, prove conclusively that they have no interest in what the people have to say or want. They do not represent us, they are only interested in themselves and maintaining their power.

They have basically declared war on the citizens of America. They have told us in no uncertain terms, that they run things and we have no say. They control the apparatus and will continue to do so. All for our own good of course. How very magnanimous of them.

This whole cycle has been nothing but a sham, full of blatant, in your face fraud. No matter what we do, they will cut us off at the knees. They are willing to do ANYTHING to preserve their power.

You can think you will win things by slow measures, and you may to some extent, but I seriously doubt they will let freedom and the constitution regain their statures. It is not in their best interest.

All you have to do is look at the games they have played during this cycle. It PROVES they are not going to play by the rules. Not now. Not EVER. It's a rigged game, and they hold most of the cards.

THAT is the truth.

So what are you going to do about it? Even if it is true, whine complain on the internet. Let it go on without a fight?

 

[Grindleader]

The die is cast. The course is already plotted. Nature will take it's course and history will repeat once again.

 

[gte811i]

The die is cast. The course is already plotted. Nature will take it's course and history will repeat once again.

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[mport1]

I'm officially done with the GOP. Sad thing is, most of the GOP "public" won't even realize that this has happened.

Somebody talk me off the ledge, I see this great ship, the US, nose diving into the ground by 2016. Doom and gloom I am.

I say jump of the ledge... Screw the GOP.

 

[Grindleader]

That doesn't answer the question.

What are YOU going to do?

 

[gjdavis60]

All this cheating, lying, corruption, fraud, tyranny and breaking of rules, shows beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we no longer have a representative government. When criminals and thugs run our country, ignore our constitution and break their own rules to put THEIR choice in a position of power, we no longer have a country.

No matter who you support, the very acts that they commit, prove conclusively that they have no interest in what the people have to say or want. They do not represent us, they are only interested in themselves and maintaining their power.

They have basically declared war on the citizens of America. They have told us in no uncertain terms, that they run things and we have no say. They control the apparatus and will continue to do so. All for our own good of course. How very magnanimous of them.

This whole cycle has been nothing but a sham, full of blatant, in your face fraud. No matter what we do, they will cut us off at the knees. They are willing to do ANYTHING to preserve their power.

You can think you will win things by slow measures, and you may to some extent, but I seriously doubt they will let freedom and the constitution regain their statures. It is not in their best interest.

All you have to do is look at the games they have played during this cycle. It PROVES they are not going to play by the rules. Not now. Not EVER. It's a rigged game, and they hold most of the cards.

THAT is the truth.

They do hold most of the cards, but less cards than they used to hold. We have made inroads into the party infrastructure that have stung and scared them. We have given them a bloody nose, metaphorically speaking. They would not react this way if they did not feel threatened. And after they change the rules about delegate selection and whatever else they want to do, what happens to our compatriots who hold public office and positions within the party? Nothing. They will still be there tomorrow, pursuing our agenda for the next one, two, three, or four years. And at each turn we will continue to send motivated individuals to run for more offices and more positions and to vote for more like-minded people. If the establishment can energize their base and out organize us then they will win, but they have shown no ability to do that. If we keep picking off positions in the party one by one; if we keep changing minds about the role of government in a free society; at some point the majority becomes the minority and a sea change occurs. At some point the reins of the Republican Party will fall into the hands of individuals truly committed to liberty. But this will not happen overnight and it will not happen without a corresponding shift in public sentiment. That is where our biggest challenge still lies.

 

[cajuncocoa]

It's a chicken and egg problem, isn't it? You don't undo the duopoly without access to the political means, and you only get that through one of the two parties.

That isn't working. No matter how many times you try to tell yourself and others that it is, it doesn't make it so. You can throw out all of the names: Rand, Amash, Massie, etc....and unless they kiss the ring, they can't play. And here's the dirtiest little secret of all: even though Rand HAS kissed the ring, he probably has his own glass ceiling too...I don't expect he will secure the GOP nomination in 2016. That's along way off, and they will coronate some other little darling of the party between then and now.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I agree with you . . . but you are only going to change that within the current party structure. IMO the reason why we have a two party system ultimately starts at the Electoral College and states having Winner-Take-All elections. In order to have a third party system you either need a run-off or some sort of power sharing agreement (like for example Greece's power-sharing coalition government).

You will never have a viable third-party as long as national elections do not have a run-off.

Too many people will vote for one of the major parties for fear that if they vote for who they want to the really bad guy will get into office.
Shoot the Civil War started exactly because of this issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860

Lincoln gathered less than 40% of the vote. 60% of the country voted against Lincoln, yet because we did not have a run-off and states were Winner-Take-All in the electoral college, Lincoln slammed everyone in the electoral college.

This is the precise reason why both parties put out the fear of the lessor of two evils and why a third-party will never be viable. You have to rectify the systemic flaw within the U.S. election process in order to have viable 3rd parties.

Yes, but there will be more to gain in the long run if we all start working toward that now.

That said, there so much the American people need to be educated about...and until THAT happens, we're really screwed because the establishment of both major parties will keep them doing the easy thing.

 

[gte811i]

What are YOU going to do?

Thanks to the gains made in 2008 by some long-sighted Ron Paul fans who saw the corruption and decided to actually try and make a difference, I was recently nominated to the Executive Committee of my local GOP. We had about ~30 people nominated. The local GOP had interviews, about 18 people went to the interviews for 13 slots. All 18 are RPers. If I do not get on the Ex. Comm this time around we have our County Convention in March. I have been heavily involved so if we have enough people attend I will get on then.

I already worked on a local congressional campaign for a liberty minded candidate who unfortunately lost by ~4% points earlier this year. We will proceed to lay the groundwork to recruit liberty minded candidates to run for office and for liberty minded people to get involved. Our local GOP has breakfasts each month. One of my personal goals is for some of those breakfasts to bring in some liberty speakers from the Mises Institute. If we can succeed in our county we will work up to our Congressional District. We would like to get liberty individuals on the nominating committees, platform committees, etc. I would like to lay the groundwork for the next election cycle so we have a better chance of making an impact.

That is what I'm planning on doing. Much better than going to the Libertarian Party, moaning, complaining, tilting at windmills, etc.

All this crap the RNC is doing has only strengthen my resolve to replace all these corrupt SOBs.

 

[Shane Harris]

fuck them. vote obama