Rubin: Rand Paul is right on marriage

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. As much as I disagree with Rand Paul on his larger vision on foreign policy, he is worth heeding on marriage. Americans have not bought into the “traditional marriage” advocates (presumably high divorce rates in heterosexual marriages are none of their business?), most especially the claim that same-sex marriage “harms” other mrriages. (I confess to never having understood that argument.) Paul is dead right: It is time for conservatives to move on and start focusing on issues that are properly the concern of elected leaders and on which the public actually wants government to act.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/03/13/rand-paul-is-right-on-marriage/

Methinks Rubin wasn't too happy with Huckabee's kind words toward Rand and is trying to kneecap him with SoCons to have her way on foreign policy. But that's just my guess, and I certainly agree with Rand's position.
 
I can't wait to hear Christie call him a whimp in the debates...lol. And if that happened Rand should come back "we don't need a big bully telling everyone how to be either!"
 
Rubin is a classic neo-con. Moderate on both fiscal and social policy, but extreme on foreign policy.
 
Good to see Rand taking a solid libertarian position on the gay marriage issue; in the past, I hadn't heard him speak on it at length, but had been given the impression that he might toe the conventional Republican line on this one.
 
Steve Deace is a little concerned.


"I am frankly more interested in what Rand will do if the Supreme Court attempts to circumvent 31 state constitutions on the issue of marriage this summer, including his home state of Kentucky," said Iowa conservative talk radio host Steve Deace, referring to the Supreme Court's upcoming ruling on California's Proposition 8. "I would think someone who cares so deeply for states' rights, separation of powers, and the Constitution would be very uncomfortable with nine judges who fancy themselves a perpetual unelected constitutional convention, and would have a lot of problems with judicial oligarchy."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-gay-marriage-2013-3#ixzz2NSWbbIar
 
I don't think it will. Didn't hurt Ron at all.

I don't know. I just think it would be better if he didn't talk about it. Why bring it up at all? It shouldn't be seen as an important issue. Just focus on fiscal issues and foreign policy issues.
 
Good to see Rand taking a solid libertarian position on the gay marriage issue; in the past, I hadn't heard him speak on it at length, but had been given the impression that he might toe the conventional Republican line on this one.

What is Rand's stance BTW? Honestly gay marriage is the least important issue in politics.

I don't know. I just think it would be better if he didn't talk about it. Why bring it up at all? It shouldn't be seen as an important issue. Just focus on fiscal issues and foreign policy issues.

I'm not suggesting that Rand should force any state to legalize marijuana as President, but he should advocate for it if and when it inevitably comes up. Fiscal and foreign is primary though. Gay marriage, who the heck cares?

And I suspect someone will say "liberty" and that's fine but there are much liberty issues to worry about. I really don't think the average American cares either.
 
I don't know. I just think it would be better if he didn't talk about it. Why bring it up at all? It shouldn't be seen as an important issue. Just focus on fiscal issues and foreign policy issues.

I'd argue it's better to do it now than later. Establish a position and stick with it 3 years ahead of time. I don't think social issues killed Rudy, just that he was an all-around moderate and had a terrible campaign. Abortion is much more toxic than a stance on marriage anyways.
 
I'd argue it's better to do it now than later. Establish a position and stick with it 3 years ahead of time. I don't think social issues killed Rudy, just that he was an all-around moderate and had a terrible campaign. Abortion is much more toxic than a stance on marriage anyways.

I'm not sure to what extent that's actually the case with social conservatives. I've seen some that I think are definitely more worried about SSM than abortion.
 
I'm not sure to what extent that's actually the case with social conservatives. I've seen some that I think are definitely more worried about SSM than abortion.

It's because social conservatives are extremely reactionary folks with usually an incoherent political strategy which leads them to losing battles more often than winning. I think Ron was the best social conservative in the last election but look at how the "social conservatives" treated him.
 
I'd argue it's better to do it now than later. Establish a position and stick with it 3 years ahead of time. I don't think social issues killed Rudy, just that he was an all-around moderate and had a terrible campaign. Abortion is much more toxic than a stance on marriage anyways.

I guess, but his overall stance still seems kind of muddled to me. One day he says that he supports state marriage amendments that define marriage as between a man and a woman, and the next day he makes it sound like the government should be out of marriage all together. As Freedom Fanatic said it's not really an important issue, but it's good to be consistent.
 
I really don't think the average American cares either.

I wish that were the case, but I don't think it is. It seems to me like gay marriage is a lot more important to the average American than the possibility of drone strikes on American soil.
 
I guess, but his overall stance still seems kind of muddled to me. One day he says that he supports state marriage amendments that define marriage as between a man and a woman, and the next day he makes it sound like the government should be out of marriage all together. As Freedom Fanatic said it's not really an important issue, but it's good to be consistent.

I think he is taking a State's Rights position. In the latter case he was talking about DOMA, which he has also argued against from a social conservative perspective.
 
It's because social conservatives are extremely reactionary folks with usually an incoherent political strategy which leads them to losing battles more often than winning. I think Ron was the best social conservative in the last election but look at how the "social conservatives" treated him.

That all depends how you define "Social conservative." If it were up to me personally, "Social conservative" shouldn't really be a political term. I'm socially conservative, in that I support conservative social norms. But I don't think government should have anything to do with enforcing those norms (Unless we're talking about a norm that has a victim if violated... obviously murder, theft, fraud, and the like would apply, I also believe, more controversially, that laws against abortion and piracy are also justified as I believe that those actions do actually have victims.

I guess, but his overall stance still seems kind of muddled to me. One day he says that he supports state marriage amendments that define marriage as between a man and a woman, and the next day he makes it sound like the government should be out of marriage all together. As Freedom Fanatic said it's not really an important issue, but it's good to be consistent.

Yeah, true. It still doesn't matter though. If I ever run for any level of office I'm going to try as hard as I can not to mention the issue whatsoever. I think that even articulating a stance in public gives it attention that it doesn't deserve.
I wish that were the case, but I don't think it is. It seems to me like gay marriage is a lot more important to the average American than the possibility of drone strikes on American soil.

Well, I think the average American votes on the economy, not social isues, and not foreign policy. I, of course, am the opposite. I vote primarily on foreign policy and civil liberties issues and put economic issues as secondary. If a left-winger supported peace and the Bill of Rights I'd probably vote for them. I'd probably support Kucinich for President if he had a better second amendment view. Not over Rand or any other freedom candidate, but against any neocon I'd probably root for him, even with his bad view on guns, just because of war alone, although considering the second amendment view I'd probably have to vote 3rd party.

EDIT: Rand is against DOMA? Ron was for it, so I'm surprised... I personally don't care at all about the "Federal gov. won't recognize..." portion, but I do care about the "States will not be forced to recognize" portion because I don't want to give Leviathan any more powers to regulate anything.
 
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