Ron Paul’s “South Was Right” Civil War Speech With Confederate Flag

[klamath]

The south fought for the 10th admendment and threw out 1 thro the 9th admendments for five million americans.

 

[justinjj]

You know, it is possible to detest both Abraham Lincoln and the Confederacy. Just like it's possible to detest both Stalin and Hitler even though they had radically different ideas and fought against each other.

 

[low preference guy]

The south fought for the 10th admendment and threw out 1 thro the 9th admendments for five million americans.

and the north threw out 1 through 9 for all the fallen conscripted slaves and to beat the south also nullified the 10th for all that generation and all subsequent generations, including this one.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Holy fuck, I'm watching the rest of the these videos, and he's preaching against federal bureaucrats carrying guns (hot damn!), the draft, income tax, the abuse of habeus corpus, espousing the virtues of Lysander Spooner...

Please, liberals, try to spread this far and wide. Make our day. I'm begging you.

Another greatest hit:

He's speaking against subsidies to business.

 

[kylejack]

The South should have tried for a legal secession. Firing on Sumter was a big mistake. Then we could have had a discussion on whether states that freely joined the Union could freely leave. No state has yet tried a legal secession.

 

[low preference guy]

The South should have tried for a legal secession. Firing on Sumter was a big mistake. Then we could have had a discussion on whether states that freely joined the Union could freely leave. No state has yet tried a legal secession.

a unilateral statement saying "we are an independent country now" is a legal secession.

 

[southernsontn]

The South should have tried for a legal secession. Firing on Sumter was a big mistake. Then we could have had a discussion on whether states that freely joined the Union could freely leave. No state has yet tried a legal secession.

The southern States held conventions on the matter and took it to a popular vote. how much more "legal" can you get? exactly what would you consider to be a "legal" secession process?

 

[southernsontn]

And when did the south offer to pay the northern states for the land that they partly paid for in the LA Purchase?

that is the strongest argument that you can come up with?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

The other videos I've found from this 2003 speech. Hot damn this is a winner!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Another thing to consider: Lee, Stewart, Jackson, and many other Confederate Generals were graduates of West point. Before Lincolns' war, one of the textbooks used at West Point was A view of the constitution, by William Rawle(1825). One of the views expressed in this book is that the constitution is that the constitution, by it's very nature, is a voluntary compact among the participating States. The book expresses that without voluntary accession to constitutional authority, the constitution itself becomes obsolete since the primary tenet of the document is representative Republic.

The constitution, within it's core values, is a document outlining a representative Republic that places "we the people" as the primary arbiter of it's own authority. All authority delegated to the federal government originates from authority that We the people willingly give. Every other power is reserved to the States, or to "We the people" ourselves. Therefore, if "We the people", who gave the federal government it's authority willingly and voluntarily, decide that we no longer wish for that government to hold that power, then how could anyone argue that we can't do that?

Lincoln himself saw the fallacy of this argument, and said as much. in 1858, he expressed that

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world."

This is the problem with the penchant of people to canonize "St. Abe", they fail to ignore his problems. Lincoln was the architect of the federal beast that those who love liberty fight against every day. From fiat currency and personal income taxes to indefinite detention of prisoners, every government position that is being argued against on this board share a precedent with some policy that Lincoln endorsed first.

Bingo! Even Lincoln's memorial is a tribute to his fascism.

 

[southernsontn]

I wish I could find somewhere to download this entire speech. I love it.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I wish I could find somewhere to download this entire speech. I love it.

I linked to three other videos from the speech. Not sure how many more exist from the speech. maxrun seems to be uploading them at random.

 

[kylejack]

a unilateral statement saying "we are an independent country now" is a legal secession.

I know, but I still think it was a mistake to initiate the aggression. Be patient and give the Feds a chance to leave before shooting at them.

 

[kylejack]

Lincoln actually was considering what Ron Paul proposed should happen: buy the slaves' freedom. Unfortunately the South attacked Fort Sumter within just a few months of Lincoln's inauguration.

 

[southernsontn]

Bingo! Even Lincoln's memorial is a tribute to his fascism.

are you referring to the fact that Lincoln, on a throne, sits inside an enclosure that was designed in homage to a Greek temple? The fact that the memorial is designed in a way that suggests an almost divine nature of the figure himself? yeah, I kind of think it's a little ironic (and disgusting) myself.

 

[royalecraig]

Actually, the whole issue of who owned slaves needs revising http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=david+duke+slavery&oq=

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I know, but I still think it was a mistake to initiate the aggression. Be patient and give the Feds a chance to leave before shooting at them.

The South attacking the North was a little closer to Iraq shooting at American airplanes during the 90s than it was true aggression.

 

[southernsontn]

I know, but I still think it was a mistake to initiate the aggression. Be patient and give the Feds a chance to leave before shooting at them.

they waited for four months! how long would you wait for a foreign military to leave your borders?

 

[Kregisen]

Seceding because of an abusive centralized government would be the ultimate exercise of states' rights. What kind of person comes to the conclusion that an action can't be "states' rights" if the phrase "states' rights" isn't invoked? Also, it is pretty indisputable that Lincoln fought the war over preserving the Union, not for freeing slaves or some altruistic paradise. Read the book.

Many of you said the war had nothing to do with slavery, but according to the review several of the states' declaration of separation's say in the first paragraph that slavery was a major, if not the biggest issue why.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Many of you said the war had nothing to do with slavery, but according to the review several of the states' declaration of separation's say in the first paragraph that slavery was a major, if not the biggest issue why.

The South left the Union. The North responded by moving its military into the new nation.

Who started the war, and as such, whose motivations were more central to the cause of the war?