Ron Paul's potential problem with the General "Betray-us" Report

[LibertyEagle]

This thread is bullshit. You wanna blame someone for the the way the war is going? Fine, blame the Secretary of Defense, blame the Joint Cheifs, blame the President, Blame the fucking Congress that I bet half of you voted for.

Patreaus is a soldier. Not some dipshit playing Army in an office building. He was given an objective, and he's trying to complete that objective. Congress, The President, those are the bad guys. They are ones that started this shit, and they are the ones who will not end it. They tear the constitution to ribbons, they misapropriate our money, they send our troops into a secratarian shithole, and they strip you of your cival liberties. And you want to get all hot and bothered by a decorated four Star General's assesment of how well a bad thing is going? Give me a fucking break.

I realize that in this movement there are a ton of people I don't agree with. We're all from different political persausions. It's a miricale we get along at all. Some of you have no fucking tact, no respect, and push your own bullshit at the expense of others.

Patreaus and the soldiers under him have risked more, and done more for thier nation than most of you could ever hope to do holding up a cardboard sign.

I agree.

 

[Bossobass]

This thread is bullshit. You wanna blame someone for the the way the war is going? Fine, blame the Secretary of Defense, blame the Joint Cheifs, blame the President, Blame the fucking Congress that I bet half of you voted for.

Patreaus is a soldier. Not some dipshit playing Army in an office building. He was given an objective, and he's trying to complete that objective. Congress, The President, those are the bad guys. They are ones that started this shit, and they are the ones who will not end it. They tear the constitution to ribbons, they misapropriate our money, they send our troops into a secratarian shithole, and they strip you of your cival liberties. And you want to get all hot and bothered by a decorated four Star General's assesment of how well a bad thing is going? Give me a fucking break.

I realize that in this movement there are a ton of people I don't agree with. We're all from different political persausions. It's a miricale we get along at all. Some of you have no fucking tact, no respect, and push your own bullshit at the expense of others.

Patreaus and the soldiers under him have risked more, and done more for thier nation than most of you could ever hope to do holding up a cardboard sign.

Sounds like this post is calling Ron Paul a 'disrespectful dipshit' for saying, "We just marched in, we should just march out."

Ron is absolutely correct. If a general returns from a 'fact-finding mission' and doesn't have the stones to state the facts regarding this fiasco, it'll take more than your rhetoric to stifle opinions.

Sad fact is that most everyone who posted in this thread didn't spend a minute watching the general's report, which spanned hours, beginning with his reading a statement followed by question/answers.

I spent most of my day watching and reviewing these 'facts'. I cry BS! If stars can negate BS, then I stand corrected.

BTW, it's Petraeus.

Bosso

 

[im_a_pepper]

I watched the entire thing as well. Petraeus made it very clear that he could not comment on aspects outside of Iraq, and was hired to oversee the Iraq Operation and his views on if,how, and why were inconsequential. Even the cost of soldiers was not the issue. He got the point across the Bush Administration wanted to hear "It's possible. Not easy but possible."
The charts he showed, the numbers he spewed...every single one of them contradicted the polls the views and reports that have come from unpartisaned organizations and even the views of the Iraqis themselves. It was BS. But the General was doing his job. His job for which he was appointed was to oversee Operation Iraqi Freedom, not to counter it, and not even to comment or see if it was necessary. The whole surge itself is meaningless.
So we drop troops back to the level of before the surge in one year...so what? That sounds like no traction to me.

 

[Proemio]

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Patreaus and the soldiers under him have risked more, and done more for thier nation than most of you could ever hope to do holding up a cardboard sign.

Recognizing that this is a highly sensitive, and emotional issue, that conclusion could hardly be more wrong, in my view.

Objectively, what have he - and to a lesser extent - they done, except burn treasure at an incredible rate, for an illegal adventure promoted through deception and lies by a bunch of criminals, both foreign and domestic - not to mention the comprehensive destruction of another people? What have they objectively "done for the nation" except create more blowback?

It's the few who follow their conscience and/or their oat to the constitution, and refuse to follow the illegal orders, who "risked more, and done more for this nation" than perhaps the brave soul who picks up that cardboard sign and heads for the unknown - often alone.

It's not terribly hard to go along with the hive dynamics of a military organization - that's how they are designed and that is why they work so well, for a while. It's equally not hard for a general (four star) to carry water for the criminals, when the odds are great that he will be protected from consequences and will only reap personal benefit.

Also, Petraeus isn't a normal Joe in a tough spot, he is up for the Nuremberg treatment. By following orders in an aggression of fancy, outside a constitutional framework, he clearly does "betray-us" (and himself). By promoting the continuation of the farce - and as you know, President Paul would call him to barracks, or worse - he deserves the criticism and scorn, something you appear to grant as being fair game for the Joint Chiefs - Petraeus is a mere step or two away.

And last; how can you reconcile your conclusion with the principled messages in your powerful videos? Puzzling...

 

[aravoth]

Sounds like this post is calling Ron Paul a 'disrespectful dipshit' for saying, "We just marched in, we should just march out."

Ron is absolutely correct. If a general returns from a 'fact-finding mission' and doesn't have the stones to state the facts regarding this fiasco, it'll take more than your rhetoric to stifle opinions.

Sad fact is that most everyone who posted in this thread didn't spend a minute watching the general's report, which spanned hours, beginning with his reading a statement followed by question/answers.

I spent most of my day watching and reviewing these 'facts'. I cry BS! If stars can negate BS, then I stand corrected.

BTW, it's Petraeus.

Bosso

give me a break.

And Proemio, the military is not a hive mind. And trust me, a person getting shot at risks a lot more than a "demonstrating without a permit" fine.

 

[aravoth]

Sounds like this post is calling Ron Paul a 'disrespectful dipshit' for saying, "We just marched in, we should just march out."

Ya know, I was just gonna leave it with what I said, but seriously, there is no way, no possible way you are this stupid.

 

[Kuldebar]

To the best of my knowledge none of us here on these forums knows anything about the kind of man Petraeus happens to be.

Acting overly worshipful or overly vindictive to anyone that wears the uniform does no service to the truth. General officers are political creatures, losing sight of that will bring disappointment. They are political because they have to be. You don't become a general in today's military without being political. To what degree this impacts your actions depends on your character.

Does this mean general officers are liars? No.

Some of them are true believers, some are just following orders, some are doing what they do for career related ambitions, some disagree but stick around so they can make some positive differences and others quietly retire early and fade away.